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I am not an expert at sorting out trades and i do not know the contract situation of Matt Flynn.

But can we do a Matt Flynn for Santonio Holmes trade. Seahawks might want more weapons on offense for Wilson and we NEED a QB.

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I am not an expert at sorting out trades and i do not know the contract situation of Matt Flynn.

But can we do a Matt Flynn for Santonio Holmes trade. Seahawks might want more weapons on offense for Wilson and we NEED a QB.

I don't see the Jets having a big contract of Flynn and Sanchez on the same roster. Makes no sense.

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Its the Sanchez contract that makes no sense. That's why Tanny is out of a job!

I agree with that, but on the same note, the matt flynn contract makes no sense considering he never even played.

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I agree with that, but on the same note, the matt flynn contract makes no sense considering he never even played.

Hey its not like some QB as good as Montana was outside the doors of Florham Park waiting to play for minimum wage. Because of Sanchez and his contract the JETS options are going to be very limited.

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Hey its not like some QB as good as Montana was outside the doors of Florham Park waiting to play for minimum wage. Because of Sanchez and his contract the JETS options are going to be very limited.

To me the best option is to spend on other players. Sanchez is what he is and his contract is what it is, if Marty is any good, maybe he can get more out of him. Remember Alex Smith sucked and Harbaugh wound up in the NFC championship game with him. And they still found Kapernick. I'd rather the Jets find some young QB in the draft, find other position players in the draft and free agency, and develop the new young QB. If Sanchez starts and sucks or Greg starts and sucks, oh well.

I really don't see a point in wasting more money on a QB like Flynn who is way overpriced for what he is, and/or a Matt Moore who might be cheaper, but how much cheaper for a guy who really isn't good enough to be an NFL Backup.

The reality is they need to find a QB in the draft who might become good enough to lead a team. This pipe dream of "waiting till next year to find a franchise QB' is what most teams, including the Jets, have dreamed about since the beginning of time.

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To me the best option is to spend on other players. Sanchez is what he is and his contract is what it is, if Marty is any good, maybe he can get more out of him. Remember Alex Smith sucked and Harbaugh wound up in the NFC championship game with him. And they still found Kapernick. I'd rather the Jets find some young QB in the draft, find other position players in the draft and free agency, and develop the new young QB. If Sanchez starts and sucks or Greg starts and sucks, oh well.

I really don't see a point in wasting more money on a QB like Flynn who is way overpriced for what he is, and/or a Matt Moore who might be cheaper, but how much cheaper for a guy who really isn't good enough to be an NFL Backup.

The reality is they need to find a QB in the draft who might become good enough to lead a team. This pipe dream of "waiting till next year to find a franchise QB' is what most teams, including the Jets, have dreamed about since the beginning of time.

Sanchez on the field for one more year would be impossible unless he has a very strong training camp. The fans will chase him out of the stadium. Last season we knew right of the bat that Sanchez sucked in the training camp, then in the pre-season and the rest as they say is history.

The JETS will need to have some options at QB not named Tebow to have some competition for the QB's job in training camp. Matt Moore is an option. Campbell or T. Jackson maybe too. Flynn has a decent sized contract like 3 yrs for 19.5 mill but if we can trade a bad contract (like Holmes) for him it may not be a bad option. Again no perfect solutions here but it's about upgrading a position and hopefully have enough time to prepare for the future.

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Sanchez on the field for one more year would be impossible unless he has a very strong training camp. The fans will chase him out of the stadium. Last season we knew right of the bat that Sanchez sucked in the training camp, then in the pre-season and the rest as they say is history.

The JETS will need to have some options at QB not named Tebow to have some competition for the QB's job in training camp. Matt Moore is an option. Campbell or T. Jackson maybe too. Flynn has a decent sized contract like 3 yrs for 19.5 mill but if we can trade a bad contract (like Holmes) for him it may not be a bad option. Again no perfect solutions here but it's about upgrading a position and hopefully have enough time to prepare for the future.

The truth is, who cares what the fans think. If it is about the future, being forced to keep Sanchez and pay him or cut him and Pay him, while signing some guy like Moore or Jackson or Campbell does what ? It's a wasted spot. it's not an improvement. Do people watch football outside of Jets games? Jackson is not any better than Sanchez. Thinking so is just having way too much hate for Sanchez. Sanchez sucks, but thinking Jackson or Moore is an upgrade is just delusional.

It's one thing if the Jets draft some 3rd round QB, he winds up being the best QB in pre-season, and winds up starting next year. I am all for that. it's another to pay Sanchez no matter what, and pay him a hell of a lot of money at that, and then search for some guy who isn't any better than Sanchez.

The reality is, none of these options are better than Sanchez. And even worse, Moore already proved he couldn't win a starting Job, he couldn't even win the backup job. And he came into pre-season as the starter. Ryan T wasn't impressive in preseason. It was just that Moore sucked. As much as we all love to bash Sanchez, it's just as likely that Moore looks worse in pre-season than Sanchez. Suddenly you sign Moore who can't even beat out Sanchez in pre-season. Same realities with jackson, Campbell, and all those other names.

it's one thing to bring in guys like a McNabb or even a Vick who were starters, are starters, think they are starters and can win the starting job. It's another to bring in 3rd string QBs who can't even win starting jobs on bad teams. Fans can boo all they want and Sanchez deservers all those boos, but how does having Moore or Jackson or even Flynn improve the Jets next season? How does it improve them for the future?

best case scenario is the Jets draft some young kid in the 3rd round, he beats out everybody like Wilson did, and he's the QB of the future. Pipe Dream? Maybe. But I'd rather have that as a scenario than go 6-10 with any of these other QBs and then hope firing Rex and the new regime picks the right future QB. And hoping the new DC is half as good as Rex is when it comes to defense.

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The truth is, who cares what the fans think. If it is about the future, being forced to keep Sanchez and pay him or cut him and Pay him, while signing some guy like Moore or Jackson or Campbell does what ? It's a wasted spot. it's not an improvement. Do people watch football outside of Jets games? Jackson is not any better than Sanchez. Thinking so is just having way too much hate for Sanchez. Sanchez sucks, but thinking Jackson or Moore is an upgrade is just delusional.

It's one thing if the Jets draft some 3rd round QB, he winds up being the best QB in pre-season, and winds up starting next year. I am all for that. it's another to pay Sanchez no matter what, and pay him a hell of a lot of money at that, and then search for some guy who isn't any better than Sanchez.

The reality is, none of these options are better than Sanchez. And even worse, Moore already proved he couldn't win a starting Job, he couldn't even win the backup job. And he came into pre-season as the starter. Ryan T wasn't impressive in preseason. It was just that Moore sucked. As much as we all love to bash Sanchez, it's just as likely that Moore looks worse in pre-season than Sanchez. Suddenly you sign Moore who can't even beat out Sanchez in pre-season. Same realities with jackson, Campbell, and all those other names.

it's one thing to bring in guys like a McNabb or even a Vick who were starters, are starters, think they are starters and can win the starting job. It's another to bring in 3rd string QBs who can't even win starting jobs on bad teams. Fans can boo all they want and Sanchez deservers all those boos, but how does having Moore or Jackson or even Flynn improve the Jets next season? How does it improve them for the future?

best case scenario is the Jets draft some young kid in the 3rd round, he beats out everybody like Wilson did, and he's the QB of the future. Pipe Dream? Maybe. But I'd rather have that as a scenario than go 6-10 with any of these other QBs and then hope firing Rex and the new regime picks the right future QB. And hoping the new DC is half as good as Rex is when it comes to defense.

Woody ensured that he always cared about the JETS fans by instituting PSL's.

Moore is better than Sanchez. Just one man's opinion i guess. And that's why having a competition for the starting QB in training camp is a must. If Sanchez suddenly improves he should start by all means, other than that he should kept on the sidelines.

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Favre comes out of retirement and leads the Jets to a Superbowl win in 2014! Hey not for nothing but I would take Favre over Sanchez in a heartbeat lmao....of course it wouldnt happen but Jets fans can dream

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I am not an expert at sorting out trades and i do not know the contract situation of Matt Flynn.

But can we do a Matt Flynn for Santonio Holmes trade. Seahawks might want more weapons on offense for Wilson and we NEED a QB.

holmes for flynn ? ?...cool ~ ~

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To me the best option is to spend on other players. Sanchez is what he is and his contract is what it is, if Marty is any good, maybe he can get more out of him. Remember Alex Smith sucked and Harbaugh wound up in the NFC championship game with him. And they still found Kapernick. I'd rather the Jets find some young QB in the draft, find other position players in the draft and free agency, and develop the new young QB. If Sanchez starts and sucks or Greg starts and sucks, oh well.

I really don't see a point in wasting more money on a QB like Flynn who is way overpriced for what he is, and/or a Matt Moore who might be cheaper, but how much cheaper for a guy who really isn't good enough to be an NFL Backup.

The reality is they need to find a QB in the draft who might become good enough to lead a team. This pipe dream of "waiting till next year to find a franchise QB' is what most teams, including the Jets, have dreamed about since the beginning of time.

I think the Jets will try everything possible to move Sanchez off the roster. I think they'll be willing to eat 80-90% of his contract if it means getting a late pick back and Sanchez removed from the team. The Jets do and should care what the fans think, and the fans are done with Mark Sanchez.

If their choice is to cut him or keep him, they'll probably keep him, though. In that case, you hope Mornhinwig can do something with him, but you can't bank on that. My personal opinion is that Sanchez might eventually be salvaged, but his confidence is shot right now, and the fans here will not give him a chance to get it back. I don't know what his teammates think of him, either, but they seemed to be energized when Sanchez was sat down. I just think getting something out of him here is a serious long shot.

And finding a QB who can start as a rookie in the second or third round is another long shot. But this is the problem the Jets face this year, the draft is QB weak and so is the FA market. I think in this situation, you need to take a multi-pronged approach. So you grab the inexpensive vet -be it Moore, Campbell, Wallace, some CFL or arena guy, whatever- and you have QB as a focus of your draft, hoping to take one in the second or third that can surprise. Thing is, you don't want to force that QB pick, either, because you have a bunch of other needs, too. Draft has to be BAP straight down the line. If you've got a QB close to the top of your board in any given round, take him, but don't pass up prospects you have as clearly better than that prospect for the QB. When you get to the fifth or sixth round, and still haven't taken a QB, then you just grab the best one left.

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I am not an expert at sorting out trades and i do not know the contract situation of Matt Flynn.

But can we do a Matt Flynn for Santonio Holmes trade. Seahawks might want more weapons on offense for Wilson and we NEED a QB.

They have Lynch, Rice, Baldwin, Tate and Zach Miller. They like Turbin a lot too. Why would they add a malcontent wide receiver coming off an injury with a terrible contract to an already solid group?

Also, the Jets could have signed Matt Flynn last offseason. They didn't. There is a reason why. He's not an improvement over the current QBs.

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They have Lynch, Rice, Baldwin, Tate and Zach Miller. They like Turbin a lot too. Why would they add a malcontent wide receiver coming off an injury with a terrible contract to an already solid group?

Also, the Jets could have signed Matt Flynn last offseason. They didn't. There is a reason why. He's not an improvement over the current QBs.

" .... He's not an improvement over the current QBs. "

~ ~ imho , he is " a little " improvement over the qb's on our present roster. :frown:

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" .... He's not an improvement over the current QBs. "

~ ~ imho , he is " a little " improvement over the qb's on our present roster. :frown:

Not enough to trade for/assume that contract. If he gets released and is looking for an incentive laden deal, then maybe the Jets bite and offer an open competition.

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Jets' Mark Sanchez faces uncertain future with many new faces in franchise

Before Rex Ryan sat and watched the Jets introduce John Idzik as the new general manager, marking a new era for the organization, the head coach ran into a fellow holdover from the era just past. In the hallways of the team facility in Florham Park, Ryan bumped into Mark Sanchez, the erstwhile franchise quarterback.They exchanged greetings and Ryan said that he will find time to talk with Sanchez while the quarterback is in town.What Ryan can tell Sanchez at this point about his future is unknown. Idzik said Thursday that he still needs to outline a plan for the roster, which will come after a thorough evaluation period.

The GM would not comment on the quarterback, noting that he had only just been shown his new office by Ryan, so it would be premature to offer an opinion at so early a stage.While Idzik did say that Sanchez has accomplished "some nice things" with the Jets, it’s obvious that change is afoot. After a disastrous, turnover-prone season followed by the firing of offensive coordinator Tony Sparano and quarterbacks coach Matt Cavanaugh, Ryan brought in Marty Mornhinweg and David Lee to fill their positions. Idzik made it clear the roster would be heavy on internal competition, a mantra carried over from Seattle. There, Russell Wilson, an undersized third-round pick, overtook Matt Flynn, a pricey free agent signing, during training camp to become the Seahawks’ starting quarterback. With all that in mind, Ryan insisted that a new beginning would serve Sanchez well.

Already, Sanchez has reached out to retired four-time Pro Bowl QB Jeff Garcia for help learning Mornhinweg’s iteration of the West Coast offense. Set to work with his third offensive coordinator in three years, it’s what Ryan described as Sanchez trying to get "a head start." Last offseason Sanchez did the same with Chad Pennington to learn Sparano’s system. "He’s gotta be popping out of his skin, I think as any QB would," Ryan said. "You have a combination like Marty Mornhinweg and David Lee as coaches, that’s a heckuva start. I believe Mark needs to erase his hard drive. I think it’s new, he’s gotta be excited about it, and the fact that he’s reaching out to Jeff Garcia to get an idea about (Mornhinweg’s offense) tells you how much he wants to (succeed)."

Garcia believes that Sanchez reaching out means he’s cognizant that he will have to go through "a new learning curve" this offseason, his first facing uncertainty about his future. Last season he saw Sanchez as sometimes looking "timid" in his decision-making, on the way to 18 interceptions and just 13 touchdown passes."He should be challenged," Garcia said Thursday on WFAN. "He should be forced to bring the best out of himself. He should never feel content that that’s his position. ... The best players should play and that’s why I think competition brings out the best in people."Along with helping him learn the offense Mornhinweg will run, Garcia thinks he is equipped to help Sanchez because, unlike the Jets quarterback, he didn’t have an easy road to NFL success.

Unlike Sanchez, who was the fifth overall pick in the 2009 NFL Draft, Garcia went undrafted and spent the first five years of his professional career in the Canadian Football League."All the stats are there (for me) but the fact that it was never handed to me. ... I fought, I scratched my way into it, I maintained it," Garcia said."Mark has been that guy. He’s been a top round draft pick, he came out of USC where he was put on a pedestal. ... A lot of things have been put into his lap. ... He’s kind of hit that wall."

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> http://www.nj.com/je...ces_uncert.html

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Jets GM 'comfortable' with Mark Sanchez

Jets general manager John Idzik said something Monday on WFAN radio that could make some New York fans nervous.

nyj.gif"I feel comfortable with Mark [sanchez] being a Jet," Idzik said, according to ESPNNewYork.com.But the new Jets boss properly hedged his bets with his next statement."I told him we're going to add competition and everyone should be up for it," Idzik added. "It's going to make Mark, and everybody else, better." Idzik properly addressed New York's quarterback situation as it currently stands.

New York will search for the best quarterback possible to improve the position. But Idzik has a tight salary cap this offseason and it will be a challenge to find attractive options. If a suitable replacement cannot be found, Idzik says the Jets feel "comfortable" going with Sanchez for one more year because they would have no choice.Money obviously plays a factor. The Jets owe Sanchez $8.25 million in guaranteed salary in 2013. Cutting Sanchez would be even more detrimental with more than twice the cap hit.

Seahawks backup Matt Flynn has been mentioned as a trade possibility due to Idzik's ties in Seattle. A top rookie draft pick also is a possibility to add competition. But it appears to be a sure thing that Sanchez remains on the Jets' roster next season. It is Sanchez's role as a starter or backup that is still to be determined.

> http://espn.go.com/b...th-mark-sanchez

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Idzik still hedges on Revis, not Sanchez

New Jets GM John Idzik said Monday morning he was "taken aback" by the Darrelle Revis trade-talk firestorm last week because he hadn't conducted any internal discussions on the Jets' roster -- and still hasn't -- but he apparently doesn't need those conversations to confirm Mark Sanchez's place on the team.

Go ahead, read between the lines.

Idzik, appearing on WFAN radio, was asked if he feels "comfortable" with Sanchez as the quarterback. He replied, "I feel comfortable with Mark being a Jet. I told him we're going to add competition and everyone should be up for it. It's going to make Mark, and everybody else, better." Idzik said he has spoken to Sanchez, and he said the embattled quarterback is "champing at the bit. He wants to get going with his new coordinator. He's all about competing. I got a really good feeling from Mark." Sanchez has a $12.8 million cap charge and a contract that is almost immovable, so it's not exactly breaking news that Idzik would confirm his place on the roster. Yet when asked about Revis, the best player on the team and one of the best in the league, Idzik fell back on the company line -- still too early to evaluate. He said he still hasn't had any in-depth discussions about the roster.

Idzik said he was surprised by the reports, which broke on the eve of his introductory news conference last Thursday, that the Jets are open to trading Revis."I called Darrelle just to make sure he knew exactly what was going on from our end," Idzik said. "It was good to talk to him. I thought it was well-received."

Idzik touched on a few other topics in the interview.On the salary-cap problem (almost $20 million over the cap), he said, "It's definitely a huge item, right at the forefront, but it's nothing we can't manage." Idzik hinted he could take a revolving-door approach to the roster. He mentioned his former team, the Seahawks, noting that in Pete Carroll's first season (2010), "I'd be willing to bet we set the record for NFL transactions in a year. We were massaging that roster pretty good the entire year." He said competition will be an ongoing theme.Idzik said Rex Ryan has "extraordinary traits" and, when pressed, he said he would've had no problem hiring Ryan if the head-coaching position had been vacant. "Yeah, absolutely, you'd want a guy like Rex." He said he was "comfortable" with Ryan's choice of Marty Mornhinweg as offensive coordinator, adding that he has "trust in Rex" and talked with him throughout the selection process.

> http://espn.go.com/b...vis-not-sanchez

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who I would like to see starting week one: Matt Flynn, Michael Vick

wouldn't mind seeing starting week one: Alex Smith, Geno Smith

would be a little pissed to see starting week one: Mike Glennon, Ryan Nassib, Matt Moore, Greg McElroy

would probably never watch a Jets game all year if starting week one: Fatass Russell, Matt Barkley

who will probably be starting week one regardless of what this board thinks because our organization stinks: Mark Sanchez

*edited to try to be more accurate

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who I would like to see starting week one: Matt Flynn, Michael Vick

wouldn't mind seeing starting week one: Alex Smith, Geno Smith

would be a little pissed to see starting week one: Mike Glennon, Ryan Nassib, Matt Moore, Greg McElroy

would probably never watch a Jets game all year if starting week one: Fatass Russell, Matt Barkley

who will probably be starting week one regardless of what this board thinks because our organization stinks: Mark Sanchez

*edited to try to be more accurate

Honestly if it's Sanchez or any of these other also rans, might as well stick with Sanchez since he's going to be on the team anyway.

I mean since when did Matt Flynn and Seattle become known as QB gurus? We are talking about the same squad that thought Charlie Whitehurst was their future QB. So they signed Flynn to a big contract after one meaningless game. And then the guy never even played. People rip the Jets for bringing in Tebow. Tebow has had a better football career than Flynn. It's just odd to hear people suddenly think Flynn as some savior. Wilson made Seattle look smart. But he was a 3rd rounder that just turned out to be good. What will happen next season? Who knows. But Flynn will cost money, Sanchez will still be on the Jets, and who knows what Flynn will or will not do. At this point he's a career backup who had one good game.

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If there was a QB worthy of being picked at #9, I really don't think they'd hesitate.

If there was a QB worthy of #9 they would be trading up to make sure they didn't miss out.

This is the guy I mentioned in the Glennon thread. Seems like a worthy project that might be around later. My judgment was based strictly on what I read. Looking at him, I don't see the cannon I had hoped for. He seems to kind of shovel the ball out there. At least he is a big guy with an NFL arm who might still be around in the 3rd or later.

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