Scott Dierking Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 I was having a moment. It lasted one preseason game. With a competent QB, the Jets were a playoff team. Easily. It is very easy to project wins if situations were different. That is a loser's game. Fact is, Sanchez WAS the QB, Ryan WAS the coach that WANTED him at qb, and Ryan WAS the coach that continued to play him despite his failings. You continue to discount that Ryan plays a big part in the Sanchez debacle. It is on him as much as Tanny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 If you looked at the situation of the cap, you would realize that even the broken roster of today will not be able to be maintained in terms of quality. They are 39mill over the cap. A lot of contracts will have to be reworked. Money will have to be upfronted and spread out (Sanchez, Holmes, Harris), a trade or two (Cromartie) Cuts will have to be made (Scott, Pace, ect) - but the core of the team will remain (Revis, Mangold, DBrick). Hopefully then they can resign Landry and Keller. Finally, some solid free agents, some players develop (Wilkerson, Coples, Hill) and a good draft or two and the Jets are right back into the thick of it. The key to the whole thing is the GM getting smart drafts and free agents and the coaching staff. That is the unknown right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 reid can be odd..almost like schotty in playcalling. McCoy has had games where he was on fire , then andy stops the run and throws like 10 times in a row Everyone is like Schotty in playcalling...Maybe too general but not way off track...Anyway, Reid has a much longer and better track record with QBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 A lot of contracts will have to be reworked. Money will have to be upfronted and spread out (Sanchez, Holmes, Harris), a trade or two (Cromartie) Cuts will have to be made (Scott, Pace, ect) - but the core of the team will remain (Revis, Mangold, DBrick). Hopefully then they can resign Landry and Keller. Finally, some solid free agents, some players develop (Wilkerson, Coples, Hill) and a good draft or two and the Jets are right back into the thick of it. The key to the whole thing is the GM getting smart drafts and free agents and the coaching staff. That is the unknown right now. So you want to extend the Sanchez misery out longer???? The fact is, unless the Jets want to mortgage more deeply (and blindly) in the future, next years squad will have less talent on it than this year's. Just no other way around it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 Fact is, Sanchez WAS the QB, Ryan WAS the coach that WANTED him at qb, and Ryan WAS the coach that continued to play him despite his failings. You continue to discount that Ryan plays a big part in the Sanchez debacle. It is on him as much as Tanny. Rex's big flaw is not caring about the offense. Now you are saying he's as much to blame for Sanchez as Tanny? which one is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 So you want to extend the Sanchez misery out longer???? The fact is, unless the Jets want to mortgage more deeply (and blindly) in the future, next years squad will have less talent on it than this year's. Just no other way around it. Its one way to free up money. It does not mean he is anything more than number 2 on the depth chart. It will be kinda hard to have worse players than Bryan Thomas, Bart Scott, Calvin Pace, ect, starting on next years squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 Its one way to free up money. It does not mean he is anything more than number 2 on the depth chart. It will be kinda hard to have worse players than Bryan Thomas, Bart Scott, Calvin Pace, ect, starting on next years squad. If you do that, it means that you owe him MORE in the future and make it more difficult to cut him. He is not going to sign cheap extension with the Jets-It is not in his interest. Extending Sanchez is not a viable business decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 It is very easy to project wins if situations were different. That is a loser's game. Fact is, Sanchez WAS the QB, Ryan WAS the coach that WANTED him at qb, and Ryan WAS the coach that continued to play him despite his failings. You continue to discount that Ryan plays a big part in the Sanchez debacle. It is on him as much as Tanny. You keep saying that but I've said a millions times, even before this season, that Rex Ryan's loyalty to Mark Sanchez will be the death of him. Just because for a month during the offseason I was tongue in cheek saying he'd make the probowl doesnt mean I havent realized he always sucked major donkey dick and Rex Ryan is responsible for rolling him out week after week. Still doesnt mean I think Rex is a bad coach. He never had any options and still won despite him. If that was on him or Tanny, we'll never know. Right now, the fingers are getting pointed at the GM. Unfortunately for you, its looks like we get another year to see if that was the difference. <3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 If you do that, it means that you owe him MORE in the future and make it more difficult to cut him. He is not going to sign cheap extension with the Jets-It is not in his interest. Extending Sanchez is not a viable business decision. It has been done before in the past. You need to free up money now and cutting him and trading him are not options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 It has been done before in the past. You need to free up money now and cutting him and trading him are not options. Death by bleeding for an NFL franchise is extending contracts of players who you do not expect to be on the roster. Very stupid move Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThisYearsModel Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 Rex should have been whacked too. As long as he has a neanderthal approach to offense, the Jets are going nowhere regardless of the QB. Add that his defense is nowhere near as good as it was 3 years ago, and we are hosed for awhile. Next year will be ugly. Trade whoever they can for picks for 2014 and beyond. Rex will see them through the terrible season next year and the new GM will fire him and bring his own coach in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 Death by bleeding for an NFL franchise is extending contracts of players who you do not expect to be on the roster. Very stupid move Who said he would not be on the roster? He can be the back up. Russell Wilson is making less than Matt Flynn is. It happens all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 Who said he would not be on the roster? He can be the back up. Russell Wilson is making less than Matt Flynn is. It happens all the time. On the roster in the future. Why would you extend a back-up qb who is going to ask for starter money? Sanchez is not going to give a discount to the Jets to be a back-up. he wants to move on somewhere else. I promise you, one move the Jets WILL NOT be doing this off season will be giving Sanchez an extension. The stadium would be burnt down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanInDenver Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 Another name of interest in the list of GM candidates is Tom Heckert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 On the roster in the future. Why would you extend a back-up qb who is going to ask for starter money? Sanchez is not going to give a discount to the Jets to be a back-up. he wants to move on somewhere else. I promise you, one move the Jets WILL NOT be doing this off season will be giving Sanchez an extension. The stadium would be burnt down Ok, we will see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 Another name of interest in the list of GM candidates is Tom Heckert. agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 Another name of interest in the list of GM candidates is Tom Heckert. At this stage, I would say that is who will be jets GM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 Jets reflect on Mike Tannenbaum's tenure with team, as focus shifts toward future By Connor Orr An emotional Mike Tannenbaum addressed the Jets today one final time after he was fired as general manager, reading a prepared speech directed at the team's players and coaches in attendance at Florham Park. The tenor of Tannenbaum's statement focused self assessment and self improvement. He posed the team's players a simple question: If the Jets consisted of 22 you's, how good would that team be? After a disappointing 6-10 season, the Jets began to move forward today with the firing of Tannenbaum. Still, though, there was time for reflection in the locker room as the player packed their belongings. "He took a chance on me to come here, he gave me my first chance in the NFL, and that's allowed me to have a life for my family," Mike DeVito, a Jets defensive lineman, said. "It's always tough -- it reminded me of when Eric (Mangini) left." Although owner Woody Johnson announced that Rex Ryan would be back as the team's head coach next year, he gave no assurances to anyone else. It is believed offensive coordinator Tony Sparano will be relieved of his duties by day's end. Each player in the Jets locker room had a relationship with Tannenbaum. He either helped negotiate their contract as the team's cap specialist or acquired them as general manager, a post he held from 2006 to today. "He did great things for us these last couple years but I don't know, it's really sad -- you don't wanna see anybody getting fired," Darrelle Revis, the Jets cornerback, said. "He had a great speech that he wrote, guys clapped for him after and felt sad for him." For a team reeling from it's worst season during Ryan's four-year tenure, it was difficult to finally see blame being saddled on one person for a second straight season without the playoffs. "People had a lot of things going through their minds," Muhammad Wilkerson, the Jets defensive lineman, said. "It's part of the business, that's something I can't control. We just have to get better for next year." D'Brickashaw Ferguson, the Jets' offensive tackle, said that the players would be naive to think that there wouldn't be change after something like this happened -- and that focus remains on the future. "We had high hopes at the beginning of the year," Ferguson said. "And every year our goal is to make it to the Super Bowl and we missed that, we definitely missed that." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanInDenver Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 At this stage, I would say that is who will be jets GM And i won't have any problem with him, DeCosta or Gamble getting the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 At this stage, I would say that is who will be jets GM IF that happens you can almost bet Pat Schurmer also comes as OC/QB coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 And i won't have any problem with him, DeCosta or Gamble getting the job. Ross, DeCosta my top 2 picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanInDenver Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 No GM is perfect. Every GM has a few mistakes. But end of the day you cannot make a super glaring mistake. That too in the biggest media market on this planet. Tanny made two HUGE blunders. 1. Drafting Mark 2. Extending Mark. And that really sealed his fate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 I only wish that they could have let Kellen Clemens call Tannenbaum into an office to fire him on camera. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 I only wish that they could have let Kellen Clemens call Tannenbaum into an office to fire him on camera. Drew Stanton also, LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 This is how I feel, I hope I am wrong, but I have zero faith in Woody to do the right thing. Again, I really hope I am wrong Blind Squirrel? I also think Mark Sanchez's performance and cap shape are so bad that there's no way to be successful next year, and while I don't think Woody is a good football mind, he's not a complete moron (despite what others will say and in the same way even the "bad coaches" still no a lot about football) and will have to realize that next year isn't the year. What can I say, I'm a day 1 optimist though. I was a believer in Mark Sanchez... Until I saw him play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 Rex's big flaw is not caring about the offense. Now you are saying he's as much to blame for Sanchez as Tanny? which one is it? Why does it have to be one. Neglect is also abuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 Sounds like Tanny is completely out with no re-assignment. As to Rex, we have to see what the new GM thinks. This is not unprecedented. A new GM essentially gives the incumbent HC a 1 yr tryout before deciding to go in a different direction or decide to retain the HC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFtoLong Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 Blind Squirrel? I also think Mark Sanchez's performance and cap shape are so bad that there's no way to be successful next year, and while I don't think Woody is a good football mind, he's not a complete moron (despite what others will say and in the same way even the "bad coaches" still no a lot about football) and will have to realize that next year isn't the year. What can I say, I'm a day 1 optimist though. I was a believer in Mark Sanchez... Until I saw him play. Thats cool, hey, the Jets are our team, I understand optimistic fans. I wish I could be one, maybe I am too old, and have been burned too many times, but I usually take a pessimistic outlook on this team, and this franchise, and hope to be pleasantly surprised. Any optimism about the Jets I have ever had has been painfully beaten out of me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 The Jets need to hire a pure personnel guy to be GM because one of the main problem with Rex is that he is a horrible judge of talent. He thinks he can coach anyone up on the defensive end and doesn't have the first clue about offensive players except from a defensive perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 Out of Arizona, Jacksonville, Cleveland, San Diego, Kansas City, the Jets, and Carolina, the Jets are easily the least attractive job for any GM candidate. You're stuck with Rex, Sanchez, Holmes, an aging defense and a nitwit, meddling owner who demands back pages. Good luck, search firm guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 Adam Schefter@AdamSchefter Jets and Jaguars have asked permission from San Francisco to interview 49ers director of player personnel Tom Gamble for their GM jobs. Expand Collapse Reply RetweetedRetweet Delete FavoritedFavorite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 Out of Arizona, Jacksonville, Cleveland, San Diego, Kansas City, the Jets, and Carolina, the Jets are easily the least attractive job for any GM candidate. You're stuck with Rex, Sanchez, Holmes, an aging defense and a nitwit, meddling owner who demands back pages. Good luck, search firm guy. What time are you going to unravel from your fetal position to start celebrating new years eve? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 Thats cool, hey, the Jets are our team, I understand optimistic fans. I wish I could be one, maybe I am too old, and have been burned too many times, but I usually take a pessimistic outlook on this team, and this franchise, and hope to be pleasantly surprised. Any optimism about the Jets I have ever had has been painfully beaten out of me! I'm pessimistic once I see the product on the field. But, that's largely cause I don't watch college ball. So, I thought Gholston could be a player. I thought the same about Sanchez. My mind changed quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 Out of Arizona, Jacksonville, Cleveland, San Diego, Kansas City, the Jets, and Carolina, the Jets are easily the least attractive job for any GM candidate. You're stuck with Rex, Sanchez, Holmes, an aging defense and a nitwit, meddling owner who demands back pages. Good luck, search firm guy. agree, which is why we put full court press on Ross. He gets to keep his family/kids in same home/school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicious89x Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 Out of Arizona, Jacksonville, Cleveland, San Diego, Kansas City, the Jets, and Carolina, the Jets are easily the least attractive job for any GM candidate. You're stuck with Rex, Sanchez, Holmes, an aging defense and a nitwit, meddling owner who demands back pages. Good luck, search firm guy. I don't think it's the least attractive of all, but it's really got a lot of hideous options to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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