How can the Jets take an Olineman with a top 5 pick?

[GlennFoley]

I don't see how they are going to sell this as an "exciting pick" for the fans..

Right now the Jets are among the worst, and the most boring teams in the NFL.

Nobody is excited about this team, because we don't have any players that people would pay to see.

Woody and Terry see the empty seats in the stands; they have to do something exciting next year to get the Jets back on the radar..

If I am Woody I am telling Bradway to draft an exciting playmaker with the 1st round pick..

This is ridiculous guys.. I want to watch a more exciting/energetic product..

[Ikeyman3]

I really don't care how exciting we are if we win. Orlando Pace sure wasn't a flashy pick but he would hnave been the right pick.

[GlennFoley]

I really don't care how exciting we are if we win. Orlando Pace sure wasn't a flashy pick but he would hnave been the right pick.

Yea, but you and I are diehards.. The majority of Jets fans want a Bush or Leinart...

[Maxman]

This is ridiculous guys.. I want to watch a more exciting/energetic product..

Barry Sanders was exciting. There was no better play to watch. Yet he played in very few important games.

Screw selling it to the fans. Make this team better.

[Bugg]

Orlando Pace, Jon Ogden, Tony Boselli, Anthony Munoz, Walter Jones, Jumbo Elliott? Yeah it sure would suck to put a guy like that at LT for the next decade-watch your QB's blind side and run behind him almost at will. D'Brick might be that.

[Smizzy]

O-line & D-line are way more important that drafting a "flashy" guy to sell tickets.

[GlennFoley]

Orlando Pace, Jon Ogden, Tony Boselli, Anthony Munoz, Walter Jones, Jumbo Elliott? Yeah it sure would suck to put a guy like that at LT for the next decade-watch your QB's blind side and run behind him almost at will. D'Brick might be that.

Sounds like he will be more like D'Bust..

[The Troll]

Sounds like he will be more like D'Bust..

That's according to you; a guy that thinks Aaron Brooks is a good quarterback.

[AVM]

i dont know, nor do i care what most jets fans really want--b/c all i want is a winning team, if that means drafting dbrick, draft dbrick...if it means trading down..trade down...but please...i beg of you...dont trade the pick for a player who had a couple of good games in the playoffs of ONE year....

[Smizzy]

Yea we don't need to improve the oldest,smallest Oline in the NFL. Especially after all the success they had running Dingers zone blocking schemes this season.

No...You right...we need to sell more tickets instead....Which is funny because I was under the impression we sell out every game, even when we suck.

[AVM]

when did winning games stop selling tickets anyways??

[Smizzy]

**** selling tickets.

[stormshadow19]

Well... wouldn't having a winning team sell those tickets? Not like they're hard up for money anyway. The Jets sell out, more often than not, no?

[TBrady]

Offenses are built around their O lines and Defenses are built around teh D line, if you have a solid O line, they can give the QB max protectrion, and even average QBGs will pick you apart if given all day to throw, and good run blocking can open holes for even an average back to hit, you can run all day and wear out even the toughest Defenses.

I have no problem drafting the best O lineman on the boards, just as long as they don't draft someone in the top 5 who would probably have droped to the bottom 10 where we could've traded down for more picks and still got him.

[bitonti]

by the way Adrian Jones got picked apart by Taylor today. If the Jets have a shot at BRICK there's no reason not to take him. If they win one more i'd be happy with McNeil as well.

[Barton]

by the way Adrian Jones got picked apart by Taylor today. If the Jets have a shot at BRICK there's no reason not to take him. If they win one more i'd be happy with McNeil as well.

Jason Taylor does that to alot of good tackles.

The thing I really like about Jones is, he doesnt get beat off the edge, even vs great speed rushers like he has faced this year (Burgess, Rice, Kerney, Schobel etc etc). But he can be overpowerd with the inside bullrush.

Bit, would you agree that by bulking up Jones could lessen the impact of the bullrush? I think he can be a very good left tackle for this team.

[Jet/BosoxFan]

so...let me get this straight. Those of us that want Reggie Bush even if it means giving Houston our 1st and 2nd round picks (throw in 3rd rd too for all I care) are simply "casual" fans" who dont follow the game like you cerebral die-hards" who favor wasting a top 5 (prolly 3) pick on some O-lineman?

I dont care one iota about selling tickets or how rich Woody Johnson gets...all I know is that I want a "cant-miss" skilled-position player that is ready to step in ASAP and fill one of the many voids on this team. A 1-2 punch of R. Bush & C. Houston is music to my ears.

I apolgize to you die-hards if it isnt music to yours. Orlando Pace "pancake" video clips are cool and all...but our pick would probably wind up like the guy from the Raiders (Something Gallery I Think) with the skullet and all the tats that everyone forgets about when they say "Larry Fitgerald was picked in between Eli Manning and Philip Rivers, right?"

The O-line has a twofold job...be fat and get in somebody's way! Forget selling tickets, that job description doesnt warrant burning a high 1st round pick!

[stormshadow19]

Make no mistake, I'm an advocate of making the team better. While it may not be drafting an offensive lineman real high, but I don't know if it's drafting Reggie Bush, either. I think you can get alot for the top pick. The best option, considering the salary cap, would be to trade down, make a killing, and quickly rebuild. But, then you have to find someone to trade down with. There's alot to consider, and I'm not sure that this front office will make the right choice.

[Barton]

Make no mistake, I'm an advocate of making the team better. While it may not be drafting an offensive lineman real high, but I don't know if it's drafting Reggie Bush, either. I think you can get alot for the top pick. The best option, considering the salary cap, would be to trade down, make a killing, and quickly rebuild. But, then you have to find someone to trade down with. There's alot to consider, and I'm not sure that this front office will make the right choice.

I know there are people in the organization who would rather blow up the offense, trade down, and rebuild the offense...........

http://www.silive.com/sports/advance/index.ssf?/base/Sports/1133360157291230.xml&coll=1

"One player won't fill all the holes we have," the official said. "Yeah, we need a running back, but maybe we can get one later in the first round and get some more picks. We need help on the offensive line, too. Really, we just have to blow up the offense. We can't just keep patching up holes."

But that Reggie Bush is so damn special

In practically any other draft, like last year with a weak top 5, I would love to trade down and acquire more picks. But Reggie Bush is almost unpassable for the Jets. The Jets need a fresh face on offense, and a big playmaker. There will never be another playmaker like Reggie Bush in the draft at running back for a long time. Even Adrian Peterson cannot do the same things Bush can do as a reciever.

[stormshadow19]

But that Reggie Bush is so damn special

In practically any other draft, like last year with a weak top 5, I would love to trade down and acquire more picks. But Reggie Bush is almost unpassable for the Jets. The Jets need a fresh face on offense, and a big playmaker. There will never be another playmaker like Reggie Bush in the draft at running back for a long time. Even Adrian Peterson cannot do the same things Bush can do as a reciever.

While that may be true, but that's what gives a pick value to trade. Last year, there's no way you could trade down. This year? Everyone wants Reggie. While he may be special, he may not help the Jets. Did Barry Sanders do anything special? Besides, y'know, being the best running back of my lifetime? No, not really.

The Jets have alot more needs than a playmaker. And do you honestly expect Bush to come up to the NFL and be what he is at USC?

There's alot to consider. Yes, the Jets could use a homerun threat. But, they can also use depth and players.

[JerryK]

I think if Bradway has the stones to pick a kicker, he has the stones to pick a lineman - or two -or three (a guy can dream)

But does he have the brains to do it?

[DireJet38]

F#ck selling tickets.

Yea seriously man this isn't some ******* pop group with flashy diamond studded uniforms...its a god damn football team.

Start bulding from the base...which is the O-line.

[GlennFoley]

by the way Adrian Jones got picked apart by Taylor today. If the Jets have a shot at BRICK there's no reason not to take him. If they win one more i'd be happy with McNeil as well.

Bitonti please explain this to me. If BRICK is so good why isn't he 1st team all ACC? If he cant dominate in college how is he supposed to be dominate in the pros??

[sirlancemehlot]

so...let me get this straight. Those of us that want Reggie Bush even if it means giving Houston our 1st and 2nd round picks (throw in 3rd rd too for all I care) are simply "casual" fans" who dont follow the game like you cerebral die-hards" who favor wasting a top 5 (prolly 3) pick on some O-lineman?

I dont care one iota about selling tickets or how rich Woody Johnson gets...all I know is that I want a "cant-miss" skilled-position player that is ready to step in ASAP and fill one of the many voids on this team. A 1-2 punch of R. Bush & C. Houston is music to my ears.

I apolgize to you die-hards if it isnt music to yours. Orlando Pace "pancake" video clips are cool and all...but our pick would probably wind up like the guy from the Raiders (Something Gallery I Think) with the skullet and all the tats that everyone forgets about when they say "Larry Fitgerald was picked in between Eli Manning and Philip Rivers, right?"

The O-line has a twofold job...be fat and get in somebody's way! Forget selling tickets, that job description doesnt warrant burning a high 1st round pick!

You sound like the kind of guy who sits on his couch eating pop-corn and watching the draft like a kid watches Nascar for accidents. O-lone picks are boring, but immensely important. Why would the Pats pass on the D-back help they sorely needed in order to draft Guard Logan Mankins? Answer: because they didn't want to lose two RB's for the season, two QB's for the season, and Two more QB's for at least a game.

[TBrady]

Offenses are built around O lines, look at the Raiders, they have all the talent on the O, Moss, Porter, Jordan, a strong arm in Collins, but no O line, Collins does not have time to wait for Moss to get open and has to dump off to Jordan, Jordan may get a 1,000 yds, but in 16 games that is only 62 yds a game, Jordan his the power and speed to bust out 100 yds a game easy, if he had a decent O line.

We were a much better team last year witha solid, helthy O line, our patchwork O line is a big reason we are as bad as we are now.

IF we have a top 3 pick in the draft, do I expect them to go O line? no, I would expect them to trade down, get more picks and go O line, we have needs, and we do not have the cap space to pay a top 3 guy and still be able to stey within the cap.

[Barton]

You dont build Olines with top 5 picks! Ferguson is not gonna win us games.

You draft skill players/impact players when you have top 5 picks.

Good lineman can be found outside of the 1st rd, especially in this years draft.

[TBrady]

You do when you have a Pace or an Ogden right there, but then, with our cap situation, it is hard to pick in the top 5 because of teh contracts it takes to sign thise guys, for us it would be better to trade down, and get more picks since we have plenty of needs, and we will be able to afford to sign lower round picks.

I would love to have Bush, but chances are he will be gone, we can't afford to apy another QB starting money with Pennington's contract, we are stuck there, so our best bet is to trade down, get the best lineman or Defensive back, basically best player available and have a few extra picks to fill other needs as well.

[GlennFoley]

You do when you have a Pace or an Ogden right there, but then, with our cap situation, it is hard to pick in the top 5 because of teh contracts it takes to sign thise guys, for us it would be better to trade down, and get more picks since we have plenty of needs, and we will be able to afford to sign lower round picks.

I would love to have Bush, but chances are he will be gone, we can't afford to apy another QB starting money with Pennington's contract, we are stuck there, so our best bet is to trade down, get the best lineman or Defensive back, basically best player available and have a few extra picks to fill other needs as well.

I disagree.. Pennington can be cut next year..

[stormshadow19]

I disagree.. Pennington can be cut next year..

No, he really can't. You don't save any money by cutting him, so it's better suited to have him on your bloody team.

It'd be great to not have cap problems and just draft BAP, but you have to think about it logically and economically.

[TBrady]

So right you are, with our cap, some players will be cut, others will be asked to restructure, just to get under, then we still have F.A.s to worry about, what do we do with Abe? sign him? Tag him again? ( too big of a cap hit to do that again) sign and trade him? certianly can't let a talent like him get away for nothing.

Then we still need to be under the cap enough to sign the draft picks, if anyone can make it work, I think, Tennenbaum can do it, the guy has been very good at working our cap situations.

[stormshadow19]

I think that the Jets may have to trade Abe, though no one really wants to. His value probably won't be any higher. And he's going to cost alot of money. I'd love to give him a long term deal, but I don't know if it's possible.

[Trempk]

I think there's a chance that in 5 years Reggie Bush is the undisputed #1 back in the NFL if he's got a decent line in front of him and a passing game to spread the field. It all depends on if we think we can have that in 5 years and if we're willing to give up a year or two. But I think we have a slim chance of getting him at this point.

[BigJermaineFromQnz]

Honestly, I dont care about selling tickets at all. My ideal team would run the ball well, and stop the run well, as priorities, whether that is flashy or not. I get a lot of pleasure from watching a team just grind out another team all day and dominate the field.

If we get the first overall, which isnt happening anyway, we should DEFINATLY draft bush, because he's a franchise RB. IT's not like this is the only year we have to draft or trade for a lineman. Bush will be a top RB for 12 years, so take him if he's there.

More realistically, when we probably get the third or fourth pick, I am all for drafting down and stockpiling some late first round picks or something, as long as we arent getting jipped on our pick value.

Drafting the brick sounds nice, like he's gonna come in and set up the left side of our O-LINE for the next 10 years, but it doesnt always work out like that. The guy is severely undersized right now, and some scouts say he lacks a "mean streak". Look at R Gallery, who was taken fourth i think by the raiders... he's not doing sh1t for them in oakland. If we have a shot at a much better player who can step in immediatly and be a good starter for us, whether it be a LB or a WR or a TE, we should grab him.

[bitonti]

Bitonti please explain this to me. If BRICK is so good why isn't he 1st team all ACC? If he cant dominate in college how is he supposed to be dominate in the pros??

Not only was Brick first team All-ACC this year he was also first team All-ACC as a junior. Repeat performance.

http://virginiasports.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/112805aaa.html

Robert Gallery (who is only in his 2nd year, a starter and not really a bust, yet) doesn't compare to DBrickashaw Ferguson. We are talking about the best LT prospect since Orlando Pace.

[stormshadow19]

Well... I guess that put it all to rest, saying Brick wasn't first team all ACC.

I don't know if he's the right choice. I'm not sure Bush is the right choice either. I think the right choice would be to bring in some experienced coaches and just bring in some youth. Draft it, find UDFA diamonds, and all that. But, it all depends on the cap and what situation the Jets are in, come the draft.