Bleedin Green Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 by the way all this Santonio Holmes gets a D+ or an F discounts how many games he won basically by himself in the 09/10 seasons. Yes 11 was a disaster (and hurt for 12) but Santonio was a very good player for the Jets when he first arrived. To say he's an F is just looking at last couple years maybe. The 09 season? Wouldn't Holmes need to have actually been on the roster in order to have done anything for the Jets? Besides, the concept of him winning any games "by himself" is such utter horse sh*t. My personal favorite is the Browns game which was nearly a tie when the only reason the Jets didn't win the game in regulation was because Holmes dropped the game-winning TD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 i guess the scale is just messed up. If mason is an f than holmes is a D+? really Holmes had 2 great years and he's a half grade better than mason, who did nothing? Two great years? How do you figure? His first season here saw him suspended for 4 games and then he had a season which may have been pretty good, but comes nowhere close to qualifying as "great" for a WR, especially an alleged #1 WR (just look at his stat line). His second year here, you yourself have already declared to be a "disaster" in this thread. This year he played 4 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 Great? He never broke 800 yards receiving. Mason isn't even really an F. He cost very little and they cut him. Big ****ing deal. The big problem is the cancer in the locker and NOT being able to cut them. Mason is probably more of an "incomplete" than anything. The signing itself was obviously not the greatest of decisions, but at least the team was smart enough to move on from him quickly. Outside of a couple of weeks of media headlines, his presence here really meant nothing in the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack48 Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 how are any of these Rex's hand picked selections? hes the HC not the GM. John conner maybe was a hand picked selection. But he's paid to coach the players not pick em out. Here is what I don't understand. The presser has Woody saying he loved Mr. T but he felt the team needed to be going in a different direction. Wasn't the team going in Rex's direction the first 4 years? Did not Rex say he failed to put his imprint on this team the first 4 years? Was not the Ground and Pound Rex's idea? What was Mr. T's direction, exactly? Woody is just spewing pablum here. Stuff owners say when they fire guys. This is Rex's shipwreck.This team was heavily imprinted by Rex. There is no questioning it. Tannenbaum was a clerk along for the ride, the way i see it. He was no G.M. So Woody fires a guy he admits had more plusses than minuses and keeps a guy who was really running the show, a guy who admits he has failed the first four years? I would love to see a CAT scan of Woody's and Rex's brains. Something is buzzing around in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 Maybe three of those were "hand picked" by Rex Ryan in the DL and Conner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 The only people I ever saw call Holmes a #1 WR was Jet fans because before the wind blew. Seriously....eveeeeeer unless you go back to his OSU days. No team with a QB thinks like that where they number their WRs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drums Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 I don't know who he hand picked but if you give Rex some decent players he can get them to play. We just need someone to get those decent players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 Here is what I don't understand. The presser has Woody saying he loved Mr. T but he felt the team needed to be going in a different direction. Wasn't the team going in Rex's direction the first 4 years? Did not Rex say he failed to put his imprint on this team the first 4 years? Was not the Ground and Pound Rex's idea? What was Mr. T's direction, exactly? Woody is just spewing pablum here. Stuff owners say when they fire guys. This is Rex's shipwreck.This team was heavily imprinted by Rex. There is no questioning it. Tannenbaum was a clerk along for the ride, the way i see it. He was no G.M. So Woody fires a guy he admits had more plusses than minuses and keeps a guy who was really running the show, a guy who admits he has failed the first four years? I would love to see a CAT scan of Woody's and Rex's brains. Something is buzzing around in there. I agree about Tannenbaum, but that may be the problem with Rex. He may need an authority figure up top to say no every now and then. I like Rex, but he may have run his course here. OTOH, he has certain skills and that can't be denied. Tannenbaum completely changed his philosophy on bringing in players from Mangini to Rex. We went from choir boys to convicts. The only thing that stayed the same was the "look under every rock" philosophy that got him ridiculed around here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack48 Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 I agree about Tannenbaum, but that may be the problem with Rex. He may need an authority figure up top to say no every now and then. I like Rex, but he may have run his course here. OTOH, he has certain skills and that can't be denied. Tannenbaum completely changed his philosophy on bringing in players from Mangini to Rex. We went from choir boys to convicts. The only thing that stayed the same was the "look under every rock" philosophy that got him ridiculed around here. Francesa was right (Did I just say that?). Rex was here 4 years and just asked for a do-over. Everything he said was a lie. Most disconcerting, was the knob-slobbering by Woody. The future looks bleak. We will get a rubber stamp G.M. who answers to the Do-Over King. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 Francesa was right (Did I just say that?). Rex was here 4 years and just asked for a do-over. Everything he said was a lie. Most disconcerting, was the knob-slobbering by Woody. The future looks bleak. We will get a rubber stamp G.M. who answers to the Do-Over King. I didn't watch the press conference, but I know that the press conference will be meaningless. I do agree that the biggest danger is getting a rubber stamp GM, but I don't think the way Rex handles the press has much to do with how he handles the team. I do wish that Woody would have divided the press conferences so that Rex wouldn't be up there talking like he were picking the GM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 Mark Sanchez: C- We got 2 decent years and 2 playoff runs out of him, which is more than some first round QBs do in a career. Mark isn't responsible for his stupid contract, but he is responsible for digressing over his 2nd two years. He may not be a completely lost cause yet, so I bumped him up from D for that. F+ We got 2 playoff runs out of the defense and running game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 Plaxico and Holmes became divisive together. I'm not blaming Plax for Holmes actions, but I am saying that Plax's presence made Holmes more detrimental as a non-team guy. I see your point on Coples too, but I want to see him as an every down guy before I get too psyched. Not hard to lead this team in sacks, when we've got nobody who can get to the QB. Well it is true....if we are grading legit Coples season was average. If we are talking Jets draft grades, HE GOT MULTIPLE SACKS. He isn't vernon lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 This is Rex's shipwreck.This team was heavily imprinted by Rex. There is no questioning it. Tannenbaum was a clerk along for the ride, the way i see it. He was no G.M being a head coach is a full time, 100 hours a week job. Rex doesn't have time to pick out the players too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 being a head coach is a full time, 100 hours a week job. Rex doesn't have time to pick out the players too. That must mean that Rex is less efficient at coaching than the other coaches who DO have a say in personell. You just told me that rex was in on the Tebow decision also. So confused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 You just told me that rex was in on the Tebow decision also. So confused. Wait I thought Woody saw Tebow in a vision. That's how that went down right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack48 Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 being a head coach is a full time, 100 hours a week job. Rex doesn't have time to pick out the players too. You are dreaming. Fatso was on the radio saying Mr. T. told him that Rex was never refused a player he wanted. Now I do not normally quote Fatso, but at least these were not anonymous sources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirlancemehlot Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 vlad's gonna start next year. and he actually played ok this year. to compare him to vernon is way off base. Whaaa? Bit. C'mon already. Seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharrow Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Trevor Pryce is easy to forget too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Francesa was right (Did I just say that?). Rex was here 4 years and just asked for a do-over. Everything he said was a lie. Most disconcerting, was the knob-slobbering by Woody. The future looks bleak. We will get a rubber stamp G.M. who answers to the Do-Over King. Because he should have said - "**** you all. I'm doing what I've always done." (door flies closed) That would have went down well here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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