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What is Hermy listening to in that headset of his?

If it's not the Offensive Play call, then what is it? I mean seriously, what is he listening to?

The Jets coaching staff and Herm Edwards, with the exception of normal hits and misses, called a decent game until that point.

- The first shot at the EZ. Not a bad call.

But 2 more consecutive shots, when you've been moving the ball 5, 10, 20yds a pop???? With 2 minutes on the clock no less?

I don't get it. I really don't. It's the momentary lapses like this that really hang Edwards up from taking it to the next level.

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- The first shot at the EZ. Not a bad call.

But 2 more consecutive shots, when you've been moving the ball 5, 10, 20yds a pop???? With 2 minutes on the clock no less?

Pure stupidity on Hermy and Dinger's part.

Good call on taking a shot at the end zone on 1st down.

Either a QB draw or a draw to Houston on 2nd down would have easily picked up the 1st down.

Then the Jets could have used their TO or spiked the ball.

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Pure stupidity on Hermy and Dinger's part.

Good call on taking a shot at the end zone on 1st down.

Either a QB draw or a draw to Houston on 2nd down would have easily picked up the 1st down.

Then the Jets could have used their TO or spiked the ball.

...and with the TO had 4 more downs to work with. Incredible...

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Horrid way to end the game. Just disgusting. And, like I told Guns, I knew there would be people who were, in some sick way, happy that it happened. So they can get closer to Reggie, since the Texans won.

I actually cannot bring myself to be rooting for the Jets to REALLY lose the game, or rooting for the opposing team. But once the game is over, I'm glad we did not win. But I'm not really "happy" that we lost.

Its deep.

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I actually cannot bring myself to be rooting for the Jets to REALLY lose the game, or rooting for the opposing team. But once the game is over, I'm glad we did not win. But I'm not really "happy" that we lost.

Its deep.

First, that's not deep.

Second, I didn't mean you, in particular. As I said to him, as we were both visibly pissed, you just know that there are Jets fans who were happy that they lost. Just to get closer to Bush. Which I'll never understand.

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First, that's not deep.

Second, I didn't mean you, in particular. As I said to him, as we were both visibly pissed, you just know that there are Jets fans who were happy that they lost. Just to get closer to Bush. Which I'll never understand.

Dude, it is deep. Trust me, I know what goes on in my head when I am watching this years Jets.

Its deep.

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I actually cannot bring myself to be rooting for the Jets to REALLY lose the game, or rooting for the opposing team. But once the game is over, I'm glad we did not win. But I'm not really "happy" that we lost.

Its deep.

It must be very, very deep...because it makes absolutely no sense.

:D

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I actually cannot bring myself to be rooting for the Jets to REALLY lose the game, or rooting for the opposing team. But once the game is over, I'm glad we did not win. But I'm not really "happy" that we lost.

Its deep.

I agree. That's exactly how I feel. Seriously.

Although, I want the first pick so that we can trade down and start building a great TEAM, rather than draft 5 foot 6, 150 pounds of pure hype.

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Heh... kinda thinkin the same thing, Heelz. But hey, if it makes sense to him, that's what matters.

Myself, I can't stomach losing to the farging Fish.

I personally will never root for the Jets to lose. And that goes even more for playing Miami- I guess when you are older like me and have this rivalry going back with them in history it makes more sense to never ever want to lose to them

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Wasn't Miami forced to punt there and attempting to run out the play clock and take a delay of game?

I didn't mind that timeout.

So. We would have gotten the ball with 330 left instead of 4 minutes. Really irrelavent.

You shoudl not call your TO's until you absolutely must. We did not need to call them yet.

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I personally will never root for the Jets to lose. And that goes even more for playing Miami- I guess when you are older like me and have this rivalry going back with them in history it makes more sense to never ever want to lose to them

While I'm probably not in the same age bracket as you (I'm 24), I understand the sentiment. I'm glad I got to see the Jets not lose to the Fish for that few year stretch. That was some good times.

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Cannot root for them to lose while the game is on.

How many times does the clock mismanagment and moronic playcalling come to the fore again, every week, before the owner wakes up out of his coma and fires the Master Whatever?

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I DO have a problenm with taking cracks at the endzone in that circumstance. I was twisting and writhing in my seat, begging for at least one rushing play on 1st and five. Simple logic dictates that it's easier to gain five yards with four plays than it is to gain fourteen yards with three plays. It was absolutely senseless. Pick up the first down as soon as you can. 1st and fourteen then becomes 1st and 7-9yds or less. Four cracks then increases your changes of a TD significantly. To turn it over on downs with 45 seconds still left on the clock after a 1st and 5 is inconcievable and unforgivable. Ask yourself if Belly, Parcells, Coughlin, Andy Reid, or Fox ignores the first down marker in that situation. Horrific and embarassing. My heart goes out to the players who outplayed Miami only to have their victory pissed away by inept managemant once again.

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I watch most of the games with Coach Zernhelts wife

I have NEVER, EVER rooted against the Jets

But lately, I have been swept up in that Reggie Bush sweepstakes thing

I have the Coach's wife also rooting for Reggie Bush

I have to wash my mouth out with soap now

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I am absolutely certain Cedric Houston had 5 yards left in him - the data shows he might have had it in 1 play, but I know he could have avg'd 1.75 in 3 plays.

But no, we had to stick with tradition and go with our now patented red zone post fade scheme. Thats getting very old. So very very old. Help us, help us, heaven help us.

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I actually cannot bring myself to be rooting for the Jets to REALLY lose the game, or rooting for the opposing team. But once the game is over, I'm glad we did not win. But I'm not really "happy" that we lost.

I feel exactly the same way EB-I was just glad we were competive and didn't embarass us fans who were there.

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The fade does seem like a very low percentage play, at least the way the Jets run it. Heck, most defenses who watch film must put a CB in the left end zone corner and wait.

It'd help if the Jets had a tall WR who could, y'know, get the timing down. The fade route, while a low percentage play, is very much a timing play. And with the lack of chemistry between the QB's and the WR's, there's no timing.

But, did Bolly ever go after Jolly, or what?

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I am absolutely certain Cedric Houston had 5 yards left in him - the data shows he might have had it in 1 play, but I know he could have avg'd 1.75 in 3 plays.

But no, we had to stick with tradition and go with our now patented red zone post fade scheme. Thats getting very old. So very very old. Help us, help us, heaven help us.

You called the play before it happened John. You also correctly called the outcome of the play. It's the predictability of the red zone offense that is so friggin depressing. Getting the first down would have been too easy, so why bother.

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It'd help if the Jets had a tall WR who could, y'know, get the timing down. The fade route, while a low percentage play, is very much a timing play. And with the lack of chemistry between the QB's and the WR's, there's no timing.

But, did Bolly ever go after Jolly, or what?

While height helps in that pattern, there is a much more important variable--the ability and willingness to outfight the defender. That's why Coles will catch that pass while J-Mac will turn into a defender or catch it three steps out of bounds. Jolley doesn't have the body control to pull it down and tap his toes IMO. So Coles can catch it...and I gotta believe that Cotch would be a pretty hard guy to ouy-hustle down there as well.

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