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I came in and said, "hello gentlemen. I love you" and then Pac left. then shortly after you left.

I accidentally hit the chat and couldn't click out of it fast enough.. guys like me and Stu aren't interested in being miscategorized as a homo because of instant messaging wita buncha dudes.

I'll leave the sausage fests in the chat room to JiFruitcake and T0mShame.

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Willis makes about $8-9 Million per year with Base + bonus. If Revis wanted $8-9 Million per year base + bonus against the cap, the jets would be dumb not to go for that. But Revis has always wanted to be paid the highest. And it's almost a guarantee he'll want 15-16 Million per year. So is Revis worth Two Patrick Willis's ? Not even close.

Willis annually makes $10 mil a year.. The 5 year - $50 mil was the highest it could have went since he was only allow for a 30% increase being that he was restructuring a rookie contract that had 2 years remaining. If he was an URF he would have ask for the same money as Revis and Mario Williams and he very much deserves it.

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If the Jets decide to deal the NFL's top CB, who should be interested?

Originally Published: January 25, 2013

By Steve Palazzolo | Pro Football Focus

The New York Jets' quest for relevance continues. After years of chest-thumping and a season of incompetent quarterback play in front of a declining roster, they're now back in the news as trade winds swirl around their top player, cornerback Darrelle Revis.

For those who have forgotten, Revis may be the most dominant defensive player in the league, even after a season that saw J.J. Watt, Geno Atkins and Von Miller rewrite the Pro Football Focus record book. It's all too often that a superstar player escapes the consciousness of NFL fans due to injury. Revis was lost for the season back in Week 3; so perhaps a refresher course is in order.

Revis is one of the top defensive players in the game, regardless of position. He exemplifies the phrase "shutdown corner," despite those words being thrown around on a near-weekly basis. He has his own Revis Island, where the top wide receivers in football see their gaudy numbers disappear in Bermuda Triangle-like fashion. Yes, Revis deserves every accolade thrown his way, even in a league where short-sighted hyperbole has become the norm.

A quick look at his history

2009: Revis Island is born as head coach Rex Ryan assigns him to the opponent's top wide receiver every week. He goes head-to-head with the likes of Randy Moss, Andre Johnson, Steve Smith and Roddy White, to name a few, yet he only allows 38 percent of passes thrown his way to be completed. He intercepts six passes while deflecting 24 more on his way to allowing an opposing QB Rating of 29.1.

2010: Injuries slowed Revis throughout the season, but he still manages to allow only 42 percent completions into his coverage with 13 passes defensed. His zero interceptions prompted some to declare this as a down season by his standards, but he still played at an elite level.

2011: Another superb effort that saw Revis allow only a 41 percent rate into his coverage, to go with his four interceptions and 16 passes defensed. He graded as PFF's top cornerback once again.

Now who needs a player like this? Of course, everyone does, but there are some complicating factors. First there's the ACL injury that cost him the 2012 season. Despite Adrian Peterson's miraculous 2012 season just nine months after reconstructive knee surgery, his recovery is an exception rather than the norm. Most ACL injuries tend to take year of recovery before a player can regain his prior form. Pre-injury Revis is the best in the league at mirroring receivers, and he is just as adept at turning and running with a receiver down the field as he is breaking on a pass in front of his face. It still remains to be seen if he can regain the movement skills that set him apart from other cornerbacks in the league.

But even if he returns in full form -- and for the purposes of the following discussion, let's assume he does -- only a few teams possess the financial flexibility and resources to make a trade happen. Take all that into account, and there are still a few potential landing spots. Here are the best:

Tampa Bay Buccaneers

The Bucs are certainly not afraid to make a big splash with veteran signings, as they spent a lot of money to bring in guard Carl Nicks, WR Vincent Jackson and CB Eric Wright last offseason. Despite the big moves, they're still in good shape, with $31.3 million of cap space going into 2013. They've drafted some cornerstone defensive players in recent years in DT Gerald McCoy, LB Lavonte David and SS Mark Barron. A veteran presence like Revis could be a perfect addition for a cornerback corps that was saddled with injuries and ineffectiveness in 2012. This would likely mean an end to the Eric Wright Era, but it would ensure that they don't go into a season resting their hopes of slowing down Marques Colston, Roddy White and Julio Jones with E.J. Biggers and Leonard Johnson.

Atlanta Falcons

Another NFC South team that is not afraid to make bold moves, the Falcons traded a plethora of draft picks just to select WR Julio Jones in 2011. They were mere minutes from reaching the Super Bowl and may feel that the pieces are in place to take the next step.

The caveat here is the dangerous thought process that a team is "one player away" from a championship, which is rarely the case in the NFL. There is too much attrition during an NFL season to put so much stock in one player, and the Falcons' lack of draft picks due to the Jones trade puts them in a difficult position with regard to roster depth in the near future. Still, the aggressive front office may see a closing window of opportunity and the addition of Revis could mask some of the pass rush issues they're facing up front.

They currently have Asante Samuel entrenched on one side and despite his tackling woes (missed one of every 2.7 attempts), he's been strong in coverage, allowing a reception every 11.5 cover snaps, good for 19th in the league. On the other side is Dunta Robinson who allowed 1.55 Yards/Cover Snap, ninth worst out of the top 77 qualifying cornerbacks. With only $4.9 million of cap space, releasing Robinson would wipe his $8 million contract off the books to make room for Revis.

Indianapolis Colts

The Colts have a number of holes on their roster, particularly on the defensive side of the ball, and they have the cap room to do something about it. They enter the offseason $46 million under the limit, so a long-term deal with Revis is well within reach. The Colts spent nearly all of their 2012 draft picks on the offensive side, and while they built a strong nucleus around rookie QB Andrew Luck, now the defense needs a lot of attention. Bringing in Revis would allow them to allocate their resources toward must-needed upgrades to the front seven and ensure they can do something they weren't able to do this year: Shut down a team's wideouts. Cassius Vaughn, who was beaten for 40 combined first downs and touchdowns, needs to be upgraded.

Others to consider

Houston Texans

Cap space is tight in Houston, as they only have $12.9 million with which to work, but they currently use Johnathan Joseph to track opposing teams' top wide receivers, and he struggled at times throughout an injury-laden 2012. If they can find the necessary money, adding Revis to a cornerback corps that includes Joseph and an emerging Kareem Jackson would go a long way toward masking a pass rush that is too dependent on Watt's pressure up front.

Cleveland Browns

The Browns already have one of the league's best young cornerbacks in Joe Haden. Adding Revis would make for a nightmare for opposing offenses. They have $46.1 million in cap space and a young roster that would benefit greatly from Revis' veteran presence and production. But would Revis want to go to a team that seems a long way from being a contender? Money talks.

Cincinnati Bengals

Another team with the means to make the move, the Bengals got excellent production out of their cornerbacks last season. But with Adam Jones and Terence Newman slated for free agency, change is in the air. Leon Hall is a talent, and they'll want to see what they can get out of Dre Kirkpatrick, but in the modern game you really need three talented cornerbacks. Still, the Bengals have to think about long-term deals for Andre Smith and Geno Atkins, and that may take precedence over what a position of "want" and not "need."

Final Word

The Jets have an interesting dilemma on their hands.

They possess one of the most valuable commodities in the league -- but one whose value may be diminished by his recovery from injury and perceived steep contract demands. Still, if they can find a market for Revis, they have a chance to accelerate what looks to be a lengthy rebuilding process. Still, Revis is in the prime of his career, and giving up on such a talented player is the type of decision that could haunt an organization for years to come. Chances are they stick with Revis, especially considering his perfect fit in Ryan's defense. But if the right package is presented, don't be surprised if the Jets part with their franchise cornerstone. And the potential suitors above seem to make the most sense.

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remember getting 2 first rd picks for meshawn ? good times, lol

the jets are in a really bad place. best player going into final year of his deal coming off injury. if you can't extend him, you have to get something for him, you can't let him walk. if he leaves via UFA it's the biggest mistake the team has ever made

with that said, anything other than a 1st rd pick will seem like we got hosed

yay jets

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The Jets have to trade him , he wants to much money and the Jets are way over the cap, he a cap killer , if the Jets can get a 1 round it will be a good thing , it better than getting nothing for him , I hate to see him go but it is the best thing for the Jets , th Jets will be 8-8 with him or without him

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Pretty much we've been saying all along; I wonder if "small segments of the jets organization," means the fans.

ESPN New York reports there is a "small segment" of the Jets' organization that would prefer to trade Antonio Cromartie over Darrelle Revis.

Cromartie is coming off a career-best year where he was asked to cover the offense's No. 1 receiver in Revis' absence. He also has two years left on his deal, and his trade value has never been higher. Due $9.5 million in 2013, the Jets would only take a cap hit of $2.5 million by trading Cromartie, instead of the $12 million hit they'd endure for dealing Revis. Cromartie is due a $2.3 million roster bonus on March 14, so a deal would have to be struck before then. Rex Ryan is believed to be of the contingent that supports trading Cromartie instead of Revis.

Source: ESPN New York

Jan 27 - 9:29 AM

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I'd be more open to trading Cro, absolutely.

He's a damn good corner, but far more reliant on his physical abilities and he's older. I'd expect you'll get 3 more good years out of him at the most before he'll start to decline.

Revis on the other hand, is far more than a damn good corner. ACL injuries aren't what they were, he should be back at his best and at his best he's an all time great, in the prime of his career, in an important position. It's not QB, but it is incredibly important, and Ryan has shown he can build incredible units around Revis' dominance.

We really shouldn't trade him away. You'd have to be talking a Herschel Walker type ransom, and no team will ever do that sort of thing again.

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ESPN crawler reporting he wants super mario money

maybe a reaction to this leak, but I think his jets career is over

coming off an injury he can go **** himself. he will never be the same player, it would be dumb to pay him like it's 2009. let the raiders do it

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ESPN crawler reporting he wants super mario money

maybe a reaction to this leak, but I think his jets career is over

coming off an injury he can go **** himself. he will never be the same player, it would be dumb to pay him like it's 2009. let the raiders do it

Asking for that type of money is predicated off the idea that his baseline level of production is 2009, which he never repeated and likely never will. Paying for such would be foolish in my opinion, as much as I love the guy. I personally am always open for trading a prospect at his highest value unless he's a QB; I was all for the AJ Smith rumors of trading LT years back before his fall off the cliff, but that would have caused a sh*tstorm in Diego.

I don't think the two firsts and two thirds that the Chiefs got for Jared Allen is attainable, but I would settle for two firsts or a top 10 this year and a second or so. At least Idzik will have his hands full this next month.

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We really shouldn't trade him away. You'd have to be talking a Herschel Walker type ransom, and no team will ever do that sort of thing again.

agree 100%

i saw earlier in the thread that the Jets could use the picks from the Revis trade to get a QB. What would the pressure be like on that pick. I remember Mangold getting picked with the John Abraham pick, that's an all-pro for an all-pro. The Qb they get with the Revis pick has to be AWESOME, or you just pissed away the best player that the franchise has had under contract for a generation. No pressure Teddy Bridgewater.

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agree 100%

i saw earlier in the thread that the Jets could use the picks from the Revis trade to get a QB. What would the pressure be like on that pick. I remember Mangold getting picked with the John Abraham pick, that's an all-pro for an all-pro. The Qb they get with the Revis pick has to be AWESOME, or you just pissed away the best player that the franchise has had under contract for a generation. No pressure Teddy Bridgewater.

it's a value thing. the jets will never get fair value paying him like it's 2009. which 3 starters will you get rid of to keep him ? will they get fair trade value ? nope. but they can't pay him super mario money or let him walk and get nothing

so get something and start rebuilding

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Pretty much we've been saying all along; I wonder if "small segments of the jets organization," means the fans.

ESPN New York reports there is a "small segment" of the Jets' organization that would prefer to trade Antonio Cromartie over Darrelle Revis.

Cromartie is coming off a career-best year where he was asked to cover the offense's No. 1 receiver in Revis' absence. He also has two years left on his deal, and his trade value has never been higher. Due $9.5 million in 2013, the Jets would only take a cap hit of $2.5 million by trading Cromartie, instead of the $12 million hit they'd endure for dealing Revis. Cromartie is due a $2.3 million roster bonus on March 14, so a deal would have to be struck before then. Rex Ryan is believed to be of the contingent that supports trading Cromartie instead of Revis.

Source: ESPN New York

Jan 27 - 9:29 AM

they better be 100% sure Revis will be back to 100% this year

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it's a value thing. the jets will never get fair value paying him like it's 2009.

why does everyone assume that's where his contract will end up? Just because he's asking for it doesn't mean he will get it. It's called a negotiation and mark my words, whoever has Revis next year, won't be paying him 16 million a year. not after an ACL. he starts at 16, the franchise asks for 12 they meet at 14. Something like that. Still a ton of change but not more than Mario.

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Asking for that type of money is predicated off the idea that his baseline level of production is 2009, which he never repeated and likely never will. Paying for such would be foolish in my opinion, as much as I love the guy. I personally am always open for trading a prospect at his highest value unless he's a QB; I was all for the AJ Smith rumors of trading LT years back before his fall off the cliff, but that would have caused a sh*tstorm in Diego.

I don't think the two firsts and two thirds that the Chiefs got for Jared Allen is attainable, but I would settle for two firsts or a top 10 this year and a second or so. At least Idzik will have his hands full this next month.

agree, but I think his market value will be way down as teams will dare the jets to let him walk. there will be tampering invloved no doubt. I would be thrilled with even one 1st rd pick.

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why does everyone assume that's where his contract will end up? Just because he's asking for it doesn't mean he will get it. It's called a negotiation and mark my words, whoever has Revis next year, won't be paying him 16 million a year. not after an ACL. he starts at 16, the franchise asks for 12 they meet at 14. Something like that. Still a ton of change but not more than Mario.

he doesn't have a track record of agreeing that he is worth less than "the most". he used that stupid raider deal against the jets, now he will use the super mario deal against them

his jets career is over

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agree, but I think his market value will be way down as teams will dare the jets to let him walk. there will be tampering invloved no doubt. I would be thrilled with even one 1st rd pick.

it's trading him at a low to be sure. trade Cro now his value is at a high. If you have to trade Revis for rebuilding purposes, do it after a month of showing the league he's healthy.

by the way why can't the Jets "rebuild" with Revis? he's 28. It's like saying the cards should trade Larry F. Bad teams need talent too, this idea that they have to go down to nothing to come back up, it's not based in history. Teams that go down to nothing usually stay there.

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he doesn't have a track record of agreeing that he is worth less than "the most". he used that stupid raider deal against the jets, now he will use the super mario deal against them

his jets career is over

in the past he was dealing with Tanny and that relationship was about as sour at it gets.

the salary cap is 121 mil and goes up every year, if anyone on this team is worth the money it's Revis. I don't want to see a 1-15 season and honestly i don't see why everyone else is so keen to burn it all down. there's not an Andrew Luck in 2014.

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agree 100%

i saw earlier in the thread that the Jets could use the picks from the Revis trade to get a QB. What would the pressure be like on that pick. I remember Mangold getting picked with the John Abraham pick, that's an all-pro for an all-pro. The Qb they get with the Revis pick has to be AWESOME, or you just pissed away the best player that the franchise has had under contract for a generation. No pressure Teddy Bridgewater.

Honestly, Revis is ours. As long as the Mario Williams rumors aren't true, I want him here.
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Honestly, Revis is ours. As long as the Mario Williams rumors aren't true, I want him here.

let me play devils advocate on myself and say if the Jets know his knee is wrecked then ok a 2nd and conditional whatever in this offseason is smart. We obviously don't know what's up with Revis's rehab.

But it didn't seem like that bad an injury at least on TV. Guys have come back from much much worse.

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