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The All Revis Trade Discussion Threads are the Same Discussion Thread - MERGED NUMEROUS TIMES

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BroadwayJoe12

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let me play devils advocate on myself and say if the Jets know his knee is wrecked then ok a 2nd and conditional whatever in this offseason is smart. We obviously don't know what's up with Revis's rehab.

But it didn't seem like that bad an injury at least on TV. Guys have come back from much much worse.

Ehh, an ACL tear is pretty much an ACL tear. How he comes back is dependent on A) his innate ability to recover from injuries and B.) The effort he puts into his rehab. Those are the only two things determining his recovery right now. The biggest issue that I have with your argument is that you saying it's a negotiation and Revis will ask for $16 but take $14; what in his history leads you to believe he'd ever even consider this? He held out his rookie year then again a few years later. He's asking to get compensated annually for a year he has never since duplicated and likely never will. Yes, he's an all-time great and could potentially be the best Jet ever, but just because he is doesn't mean you give into his every demand. Brady and Peyton are all-time greats, but do you pay them $32 million annually if they ask for it? No and none of them would ask for it because it cripples the cap and that's akin to what Revis is asking. If Nnamdi is the second highest annually paid CB at $11ish million and revis is asking for what is 40+% more than the second guy, that's roughly what Brady asking for $30+ mill would be.

The guy is amazing, but he has never and will never reproduce that 2009 season and him asking to be compensated as if that's his baseline performance, coming off an injury, is absolute bullsh*t. The dude is not team first, nor do I expect him to be, but there's nothing about him that says he'll take anything less than what he wants.

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Irish Jet

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agree 100%

i saw earlier in the thread that the Jets could use the picks from the Revis trade to get a QB. What would the pressure be like on that pick. I remember Mangold getting picked with the John Abraham pick, that's an all-pro for an all-pro. The Qb they get with the Revis pick has to be AWESOME, or you just pissed away the best player that the franchise has had under contract for a generation. No pressure Teddy Bridgewater.

If this was last years draft, and you could get into the top 2, then yes, you make the move.

This QB class looks 2007-esque.

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I just don't see us getting anything more than a 1st and 3rd for Revis and I can't comfortably say that the Jets will use those picks correctly. History shows the Jets won't. Why risk a future hall of famer for that? Just makes no sense to me. The priority for Idzik should be negotiating w Revis to find ways so he can be here for the long term rather than finding ways to ditch him.

I see your point, but Im interested less in HOF'ers and more into championships. I would be in the favor of keeping Revis given that I was totally in support of his holdout etc. However the Jets spreaded too much money spread over too little amount of players and much of it is guaranteed and they are in a financial hole that they must dig themselves out of in order to compete for a championship. It doesnt matter what their history of picks are, because the DID draft the future HOF'er Revis right????

This is about doing whats best for the team and right now Revis must be traded along with Sanchez being gone after the end of this season. My opinion though.

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Pretty much we've been saying all along; I wonder if "small segments of the jets organization," means the fans.

ESPN New York reports there is a "small segment" of the Jets' organization that would prefer to trade Antonio Cromartie over Darrelle Revis.

Cromartie is coming off a career-best year where he was asked to cover the offense's No. 1 receiver in Revis' absence. He also has two years left on his deal, and his trade value has never been higher. Due $9.5 million in 2013, the Jets would only take a cap hit of $2.5 million by trading Cromartie, instead of the $12 million hit they'd endure for dealing Revis. Cromartie is due a $2.3 million roster bonus on March 14, so a deal would have to be struck before then. Rex Ryan is believed to be of the contingent that supports trading Cromartie instead of Revis.

Source: ESPN New York

Jan 27 - 9:29 AM

The Jets would be foolish not to explore every avenue. This Idzik dude is supposed to be a heavy detail guy who always has an eye on the future. He was hired more for his business smarts than his personnel smarts. He should have a good feel for the consequences of any action with the CBs.

I've been saying it all along. First order of business needs to be finding out what'll take to get Revis signed, and work from there. If its completely unreasonable, you need to explore moving him. Teams interested in trading for him will want to make sure they can sign him long term before agreeing to give the Jets anything, so Revis and his agents will have to involved in the process. I'd try something novel, something the Jets didn't seem to do much during the Tannenbaum years; I'd be honest with Revis. Tell him you want to keep him, but his demands are too high. Tell him to negotiate with other teams, and that if he can get from them what he wants, the Jets will try to accommodate him. If, however, he finds that the market isn't high as he thought it was, maybe the result can be Revis resigning with the Jets for a fair deal.

Jets are in a tough spot. They could trade him, have him fully recover and be better than ever, forever a blemish on the organization. Or the Jets could resign him, and his ability to cover never recovers, and the Jets have another David Harris contract on their hands.

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in the past he was dealing with Tanny and that relationship was about as sour at it gets.

the salary cap is 121 mil and goes up every year, if anyone on this team is worth the money it's Revis. I don't want to see a 1-15 season and honestly i don't see why everyone else is so keen to burn it all down. there's not an Andrew Luck in 2014.

The cap was $123M in 2009, uncapped in 2010, $120M in 2011, and $120.6 in 2012. The crap economy has hit everyone, even the NFL. The new CBA doesn't raise the cap the way the old one did.

One of the biggest problems on the Jets under Tannenbaum was the complete lack of a middle class. The Jets starters took up a higher portion of their cap than the starters on any other team. This is one of Idzik's challenges - getting the payroll under control, and restoring depth to the roster.

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it's trading him at a low to be sure. trade Cro now his value is at a high. If you have to trade Revis for rebuilding purposes, do it after a month of showing the league he's healthy.

by the way why can't the Jets "rebuild" with Revis? he's 28. It's like saying the cards should trade Larry F. Bad teams need talent too, this idea that they have to go down to nothing to come back up, it's not based in history. Teams that go down to nothing usually stay there.

all he has to do is agree to a fair deal

lol

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SenorGato

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Glad to have it confirmed by people in the know that the Jets will also consider trading Cromartie. As good as he's been, it's still a little laughable to think he can hold Revis' jock.

Idzik seems willing to turn over all the stones and slowly go through his process.

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bitonti

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what in his history leads you to believe he'd ever even consider this?

he's never been hurt like this before. He got 13 game checks for nothing last year. these negotiations are a brave new world. Also he's only dealt with Tanny and that relationship is toxic. there are reasons to believe the future of Revis' contract talks might be different from the past.

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BroadwayJoe12

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he's never been hurt like this before. He got 13 game checks for nothing last year. these negotiations are a brave new world. Also he's only dealt with Tanny and that relationship is toxic. there are reasons to believe the future of Revis' contract talks might be different from the past.

While some of this may be true, there is far more evidence to suggest that he won't budge on his demands than will. Revis held out his rookie year, prior to any previous negotiations with Tanny; he and his agents are all about getting top dollar, regardless of whether it's market value or cap-killing. This move would be much worse if he were the face of the franchise, but he's a silent leader, which I'm not undermining as that's needed in the lockerroom, but trading him is different than trading LT in his Diego days or Fitzy in 'Zona. I'm with Slats, be honest about wanting to keep him but at a price that is good for the team; if he agrees to a deal that works for both great, if not, let him test the waters and work out a trade that benefits both. No need to burn bridges as it's just business for both sides.

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BroadwayJoe12

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See that putrid roster we have today? That's Rex. That's Rex's creation. I'm not so sure Blackout couldn't build a better roster in four years. Rex=Gato.

Pretty sure we've come to the conclusion that Blackout was in fact Tanny; he used this site to float rumors to the masses and gauge the reactions. Ever notice how he doesn't discus football topics as much anymore and just trolls the other sports forums?? He's an unemployed GM that wants as far away from football as possible.

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Pretty sure we've come to the conclusion that Blackout was in fact Tanny; he used this site to float rumors to the masses and gauge the reactions. Ever notice how he doesn't discus football topics as much anymore and just trolls the other sports forums?? He's an unemployed GM that wants as far away from football as possible.

Now that you mention it, the similarity is striking.

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jetscanes331

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maybe a 2. what they paid for him. More likely that happens than the multiple first hershal walker type package it would take for Revis

In the case you trade Cro and Revis comes back at a lower level than he used to play at, you're kind of screwed. And if you keep Revis and he excels then his paycheck goes up with Kyle Wilson as the next best option.

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I see your point, but Im interested less in HOF'ers and more into championships. I would be in the favor of keeping Revis given that I was totally in support of his holdout etc. However the Jets spreaded too much money spread over too little amount of players and much of it is guaranteed and they are in a financial hole that they must dig themselves out of in order to compete for a championship. It doesnt matter what their history of picks are, because the DID draft the future HOF'er Revis right????

This is about doing whats best for the team and right now Revis must be traded along with Sanchez being gone after the end of this season. My opinion though.

yes I see your position here, but I am not saying I am more interested in having a hall of famer over a super bowl. But on that same note, I feel this future HOF'er can help us get closer to a super bowl win then the two draft picks we will get for him will....whether those draft picks are botched or not. And I could be wrong and I'm fine with that but I don't think I am..

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