The All Revis Trade Discussion Threads are the Same Discussion Thread - MERGED NUMEROUS TIMES

[bitonti]

By this logic, we should just give up on the draft because we've sucked at it the last 30 years or so. Also, the Wright Brothers, something about Apollo 11, and stuff.

trade Revis + ??? = Profit

i love this forum. the way to Jets super bowl is to dump their best player, fire all the coaches, run the owner out of town on a rail and maybe burn down the practice fields. don't forget to salt the earth so nothing can grow there.

then they can rebuild and be good in 2020.

Edited January 24, 2013 by bitonti

[JetPotato]

your "logic" is similar to saying that human flight is impossible.

Previous to the wright brothers, that was a true statement. Now it's routine.

Just cause something has never happened before doesn't mean it will never happen.

and by the way other awesome CB's have won super bowls. Deion Sanders for example. Lester Heyes, Willie Brown, Ronde Barber, Ty Law. etc.

2 years ago, the Packers had 2 CB pro bowlers Charles Woodson and Tramon Williams.

All of those guys played on teams with All Pro quarterbacks and excellent offense. That is what wins in 2013 NFL.

[bitonti]

Yet even still it's quite possible, if not likely, that the combination of the draft picks and the excessive amount of money freed up by his departure would result in the Jets acquiring numerous players (both through the draft and FA) who, as a whole, would provide a greater overall value to the team than what is brought by the solitary presence of Revis at CB, regardless if no single one of them as an individual turns out to be a better player.

Quality always trumps quantity. this is not a league where having 53 warm bodies is all you need to do. There's gotta be difference makers. trading 1 difference maker for 3 or 4 starters is a losing strategy. that's why the Redskins went to the playoffs and the Rams are still rebuilding. the star is what runs this league and Revis is our star.

[JetPotato]

PS bitoni, not a single one of those cornerbacks you listed was the highest paid player on their team.

[bitonti]

All of those guys played on teams with All Pro quarterbacks and excellent offense. That is what wins in 2013 NFL.

is this all pro QB you guys keep talking about related to Lennay Kukulia? Maybe her brother?

the problem is that trading Revis doesn't equal an All Pro Qb. it's two seperate discussions. all this talk about money, the salary cap is 121 million and goes up every year. there's room for Revis and this fictional all pro QB.

[Ignatius del Sol]

that's why the Redskins went to the playoffs and the Rams are still rebuilding. the star is what runs this league and Revis is our star.

Who's Washington's star cornerback?

[bitonti]

Who's Washington's star cornerback?

He's the best player on the Jets. He's the best CB in football. He's arguably an all time great. He's less than 30.

I'm open to listening but anything less than multiple firsts is a disgrace.

[TechJet]

I predicted it just like, I predict the 49ers to win the 47th SB. he! he! he!

[JetPotato]

is this all pro QB you guys keep talking about related to Lennay Kukulia? Maybe her brother?

the problem is that trading Revis doesn't equal an All Pro Qb. it's two seperate discussions. all this talk about money, the salary cap is 121 million and goes up every year. there's room for Revis and this fictional all pro QB.

You want to see a championship in Revis' lifetime? We're going to have to find that All star QB. Somehow, somewhere we're going to have to land one. It's just the way it goes. You know this. If we don't, they're not going to with or without Revis. And when we finally have him, and receivers he can throw to, and a running back that gets tough yards for him, and an offensive line that can make it all possible, we're not going to have cap space for the overpaid cornerback.

[TnT]

Revis is a hall of famer. They will not get a hall of fame player with those picks. The whole idea is not good.

Nicely said......Dan Marino

[bitonti]

You want to see a championship in Revis' lifetime? We're going to have to find that All star QB. Somehow, somewhere we're going to have to land one. It's just the way it goes. You know this. If we don't, they're not going to with or without Revis. And when we finally have him, and receivers he can throw to, and a running back that gets tough yards for him, and an offensive line that can make it all possible, we're not going to have cap space for the overpaid cornerback.

this is called counting chickens. They don't have an all star QB and we are worried about the cap space of this awesome fictional offense? cross that bridge if you get there.

expecting to win the Super Bowl and planning for it is not an excuse to destroy the team. appetite for destruction isn't just a guns and roses album it's the mindset of die hard Jet fans. fire everyone trade everyone, tear it all down all you will have left is a pile of rubble. it's not a business plan.

by the way they went 6-10 had their worst year last year since Revis rookie year without him. yes 2nd rated pass defense but the team was actually terrible without it's best player. when Revis went down they all pressed harder and it all imploded.

Edited January 25, 2013 by bitonti

[HessStation]

this is called counting chickens. They don't have an all star QB and we are worried about the cap space of this awesome fictional offense? cross that bridge if you get there.

expecting to win the Super Bowl and planning for it is not an excuse to destroy the team. appetite for destruction isn't just a guns and roses album it's the mindset of die hard Jet fans. tear it all down all you will have left is a pile of rubble.

by the way they went 6-10 had their worst year last year since Revis rookie year without him. yes 2nd rated pass defense but the team was actually terrible without it's best player. when Revis went down they all pressed harder and it all imploded.

so you are with paying him 15M a year for te next 4 years?

[HessStation]

Would anyone trade him straight for the #1 overall via chiefs?

[TnT]

Sure thing. This years number 1 and next years number 2.

I think this years 2nd and next years first would be better.

[T0mShane]

this is called counting chickens. They don't have an all star QB and we are worried about the cap space of this awesome fictional offense? cross that bridge if you get there.

expecting to win the Super Bowl and planning for it is not an excuse to destroy the team. appetite for destruction isn't just a guns and roses album it's the mindset of die hard Jet fans. fire everyone trade everyone, tear it all down all you will have left is a pile of rubble. it's not a business plan.

by the way they went 6-10 had their worst year last year since Revis rookie year without him. yes 2nd rated pass defense but the team was actually terrible without it's best player. when Revis went down they all pressed harder and it all imploded.

The Jets lost zero games last year because a wide receiver went off. Zero.

You trade Revis to acquire assets that could land you a quarterback while simultaneously improving numerous other positions on the team via new cap room and the additional picks you acquire through the Revis trade. If a draft pick only has a 15% chance of being the next great quarterback, you increase your chances of finding him by gaining more picks. Revis is more valuable to a Denver, a Green Bay, or a Dallas than he is here, simply because those teams have ready-made offenses capable of making a playoff run. The Jets do not.

[T0mShane]

Would anyone trade him straight for the #1 overall via chiefs?

Nooooooo. It's a left tackle this year. If Geno Smith didn't flame out, you'd consider it.

[TnT]

yes 2nd rated pass defense but the team was actually terrible without it's best player.

Now imagine if they had the money for a consistent pass rusher and actual offensive weapons....maybe they win 4 more of those games?

[HessStation]

Nooooooo. It's a left tackle this year. If Geno Smith didn't flame out, you'd consider it.

yeah, I'll agree. But just thinking of something like Damonte Moore and Mingo/Ansah/orJordan coming off the edge with Coples and Mo inside. I think the only QB worthwhile this year is EJ Manuel in like, the 4th. I'm not so down on Geno as some but he is a risk as an early 1st. Edited January 25, 2013 by HessStation

[flgreen]

If Revis is going to be traded, it’s up to Revis.

If you think the Revis situation wasn’t discussed in depth in the second Idzik interview, your kidding yourself.

Woody knows exactly how Idzik is going to handle this.

The fact that Idzik didn’t just come out with the standard “Revis is under contract to the NY Jets in 2013. I fully expect him to return to his former greatness” is telling.

He left the door open to the Revis trade. IMO they are telling Revis, “We want you on the team, but we aren’t paying you like an uninjured Revis, and we’re not paying you like an elite QB

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The balls in Revis court. If he is still looking to be the highest paid D player in the NFL, he will be up for sale. If he is willing to talk in the parameters of a contract the Jets can live with, he will be a Jet.

I don’t think they are going to let him play out his contract, and walk away

[flgreen]

The Jets lost zero games last year because a wide receiver went off. Zero.

You trade Revis to acquire assets that could land you a quarterback while simultaneously improving numerous other positions on the team via new cap room and the additional picks you acquire through the Revis trade. If a draft pick only has a 15% chance of being the next great quarterback, you increase your chances of finding him by gaining more picks. Revis is more valuable to a Denver, a Green Bay, or a Dallas than he is here, simply because those teams have ready-made offenses capable of making a playoff run. The Jets do not.

Geez, I'm agreeing 100% with Tom.

This has been a long year

[HessStation]

"Revis shocked on twitter."

Seriously dude??? If you didn't hold the team contractually hostage every year this wouldn't be happening. You'd be the most beloved Jet of all time this side of Namath.

[HessStation]

Geez, I'm agreeing 100% with Tom.

This has been a long year

Tom's an underrated poster. Plus, Wombat likes him.

[JetPotato]

this is called counting chickens. They don't have an all star QB and we are worried about the cap space of this awesome fictional offense? cross that bridge if you get there.

expecting to win the Super Bowl and planning for it is not an excuse to destroy the team. appetite for destruction isn't just a guns and roses album it's the mindset of die hard Jet fans. fire everyone trade everyone, tear it all down all you will have left is a pile of rubble. it's not a business plan.

by the way they went 6-10 had their worst year last year since Revis rookie year without him. yes 2nd rated pass defense but the team was actually terrible without it's best player. when Revis went down they all pressed harder and it all imploded.

It's unfathomable that you believe that if the Jets had the #1 pass defense in the league instead of the #2 pass defense in the league that it would have made a damn bit of difference. Or if suddenly our QB wasn't awful and our running game wasn't horrid and our receivers weren't borderline cases for bagging groceries if only they hadn't felt the pressure of trying to make up for Revis' injury. All that lack of talent, and somehow we're still in salary cap trouble.

And you want to keep paying big money to the cornerback in the hopes that some day, Rex will build a defense that shuts out the opponent in every game, so it won't matter how bad the offense blows. Even though that's not the way to do it, you want to try, because you want to say we were the first

This is not how the NFL works. You can win it all with a mediocre defense. You can not win with a mediocre offense.

Edited January 25, 2013 by JetPotato

[pedro55]

Quality always trumps quantity. this is not a league where having 53 warm bodies is all you need to do. There's gotta be difference makers. trading 1 difference maker for 3 or 4 starters is a losing strategy. that's why the Redskins went to the playoffs and the Rams are still rebuilding. the star is what runs this league and Revis is our star.

Revis is not a star. He is the best CB in the league, but he's not a leader, he's not the most important player on a team, etc.

Ray Lewis. He's a star because even when he's not the best defensive player on his team, the team still follows. He still leads them. He still inspires them. Revis seems more interested in getting more money for himself than leading his team.

Stars do inspire and lead teams. CBs might not be the guy who leads a team. And somebody like Revis sure isn't on the same caliber as a Ray Lewis or any of the star QBs in the NFL. He's not on the same spectrum as Adrian Peterson either. As good as Revis is, the Jets were what, 8-8 the other year. They were 9-7 a few seasons back. This season with the second worst QB in the NFL(Arizona had the worst QB situation), they finished 6-10. And they quit the last two games.

With or without Revis, the Jets aren't that different. What does being the best defense in the NFL or the 3rd or 4th or 5th really mean?

So paying him to be the highest paid player on the Jets and one of the highest paid players in the NFL would mean they have no money to spend on other good to great players. If they can keep Revis and add a ton of other talent that makes them a winner, I'm all for it.

The reality is, if the Jets had an avg QB this year, they would have went 9-7 without Revis. Next season with Revis and a bad Sanchez or some other crappy QB like Moore or Jackson the Jets wind up 5-11. There is no CB in the history of the NFL worth that much money. Champ Bailey is one of the highest paid players in the NFL. We saw how he played in the playoffs.

Leaders should be the highest paid player on a team. Manning, Brady, Peterson, Rodgers, etc. Revis is no leader. He's just a great CB.

[Irish Jet]

Keep Revis.

Trading him is stupid. Best player we've ever had, makes our defense work.

[bLguerriero1]

It's unfathomable that you believe that if the Jets had the #1 pass defense in the league instead of the #2 pass defense in the league that it would have made a damn bit of difference. Or if suddenly our QB wasn't awful and our running game wasn't horrid and our receivers weren't borderline cases for bagging groceries if only they hadn't felt the pressure of trying to make up for Revis' injury. All that lack of talent, and somehow we're still in salary cap trouble.

And you want to keep paying big money to the cornerback in the hopes that some day, Rex will build a defense that shuts out the opponent in every game, so it won't matter how bad the offense blows. Even though that's not the way to do it, you want to try, because you want to say we were the first

This is not how the NFL works. You can win it all with a mediocre defense. You can not win with a mediocre offense.

false

[ZachEY]

I've seen thousands upon thousands of prospects come and go. The draft is a total crap shoot.

The chances are tiny that the picks generated from a Revis trade, will come anywhere close to finding a player as good as Revis. regardless of position.

So, since you say not to trade him, you'd then agree that the correct move is to give him 17ish million per year right now... Because the other option is to have him play this year and potentially leave to a higher bidder. So, either you pay him that, or you think this is the super bowl year and its not important after that. So, what is it?

[ZachEY]

Yet even still it's quite possible, if not likely, that the combination of the draft picks and the excessive amount of money freed up by his departure would result in the Jets acquiring numerous players (both through the draft and FA) who, as a whole, would provide a greater overall value to the team than what is brought by the solitary presence of Revis at CB, regardless if no single one of them as an individual turns out to be a better player.

Yeah, this. How come no one who says don't trade Revis won't tackle the Mario Williams point?

Edited January 25, 2013 by tEYbow

[ZachEY]

Quality always trumps quantity. this is not a league where having 53 warm bodies is all you need to do. There's gotta be difference makers. trading 1 difference maker for 3 or 4 starters is a losing strategy. that's why the Redskins went to the playoffs and the Rams are still rebuilding. the star is what runs this league and Revis is our star.

And that's just it. A cb is not a "difference maker". This is evidenced by the fact that losing Revis barely made a difference in our defense. The nfl is a passing league, most good teams have multiple guys who can catch. At his best, revis simply makes a qbs #2 option his #1 and his 3, his 2. That's great, bit its not worth 17M

[New York Mick]

Sure thing. This years number 1 and next years number 2.

He's worth more then that. Allen set the precedence (sp?) for top defenders and revis if healthy is.

[Bleedin Green]

this is called counting chickens. They don't have an all star QB and we are worried about the cap space of this awesome fictional offense? cross that bridge if you get there.

expecting to win the Super Bowl and planning for it is not an excuse to destroy the team. appetite for destruction isn't just a guns and roses album it's the mindset of die hard Jet fans. fire everyone trade everyone, tear it all down all you will have left is a pile of rubble. it's not a business plan.

by the way they went 6-10 had their worst year last year since Revis rookie year without him. yes 2nd rated pass defense but the team was actually terrible without it's best player. when Revis went down they all pressed harder and it all imploded.

The Jets were a grand total of 2 games worse than last season, with this season featuring their offense (1) losing its #1 WR for nearly the entire season, (2) losing their starting TE, who had led the team in receptions the prior 2 seasons, for half the year and having him playing hurt the other half and of course, best of all, (3) having their starting QB have NINETEEN less TDs than last year, while having the same number of turnovers.

All of this being the case and you want to try push this ridiculous position that the sole difference for those 2 games to be the loss of Revis to what was still the #2 ranked pass defense? You have got to be kidding.

[Bleedin Green]

And that's just it. A cb is not a "difference maker". This is evidenced by the fact that losing Revis barely made a difference in our defense. The nfl is a passing league, most good teams have multiple guys who can catch. At his best, revis simply makes a qbs #2 option his #1 and his 3, his 2. That's great, bit its not worth 17M

Exactly. A CB, even at his very best, can simply be planned around and essentially avoided. Truth be told, that can probably be done to a CB more easily than any other starting player in football. That alone puts a limit on how much value a player at that position can truly bring to a team.

[Smashmouth]

OK We'll take Nicks and a 1.

Nicks is always hurt lets take Cruz and a number 1

[slats]

Revis has said on several occasions that he wants to retire a Jet. take that fwiw but he still has the right of refusal, yet another obstacle to this deal getting done.

I don't know if he has that built into his contract, or you're just saying he has an implied veto simply by saying he won't sign an extension with any team he's traded to, but either way I don't see it as a huge obstacle. You get around it simply by attracting offers, then letting Revis and his agent negotiate a contract with each of his suitors who are offering enough in compensation to the Jets to complete a deal. Darrelle is drawing a fairly low salary this season, you don't think -given his history- that he'd welcome the chance at another payday?

[slats]

Exactly. A CB, even at his very best, can simply be planned around and essentially avoided. Truth be told, that can probably be done to a CB more easily than any other starting player in football. That alone puts a limit on how much value a player at that position can truly bring to a team.

This argument also applies to alleged franchise left tackles, but I'll save that for another thread.