Matt39 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Fantasy Douche @FantasyDouche I feel like there's a big disconnect between the actual value of QBs and the perceived value of QBs in the league. Could be exploited. Fantasy Douche @FantasyDouche Feel like you can pretty easily explain Brady's late season fall off by the absence of Gronk. Or Peyton's resurgence by having D. Thomas. Fantasy Douche @FantasyDouche Peyton Manning wasn't just as good as he had been, he was better this year. How can you explain that? Not arm strength. It was receivers. Fantasy Douche @FantasyDouche Manning had his best season in terms of AYA since 2005. It's nice to have two young/really big WRs to throw to. Fantasy Douche @FantasyDouche So basically where I'm going with this is that you could get two really good WRs for $20mm if you're the Ravens (instead of sign Flacco) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 What the **** is this sh*t???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted January 28, 2013 Author Share Posted January 28, 2013 What the **** is this sh*t???? Just read it, friend. The notion here was Peyton could walk into Florham Park and turn water into wine aka Chaz Schillens into a better player than he was. A huge part of Peyton's success this season was him being surrounded by studs. Brady wasnt nearly the same passer after Gronk went down either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 I knew it. Sanchez is good. Where's Smashmouth? He was right, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Throwing to Larry Fitzgerald really did wonders for Arizona QBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Throwing to Larry Fitzgerald really did wonders for Arizona QBs. And Brady's never been good before Gronk... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted January 28, 2013 Author Share Posted January 28, 2013 Throwing to Larry Fitzgerald really did wonders for Arizona QBs. Was more referring to the mid tier QB who, when surrounded with talent on offense can win a lot of games and the Super Bowl. Eli looked pretty ordinary this season with Nicks out. this current Jets team with a Flacco or Eli isn't competing for a Super Bowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Was more referring to the mid tier QB who, when surrounded with talent on offense can win a lot of games and the Super Bowl. Eli looked pretty ordinary this season with Nicks out. this current Jets team with a Flacco or Eli isn't competing for a Super Bowl. It's chicken or egg, except we know for a fact that you can't win without the QB, ya know? No question a good receiver helps a QB, but it doesn't make or break him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 a small scale version of this experiment happened when McElroy started against the Chargers. PFF said he got the most time to throw of any QB that week. He was sacked 10x. It isn't all on the QB. a lack of targets definitely hurt the Jets this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 a small scale version of this experiment happened when McElroy started against the Chargers. PFF said he got the most time to throw of any QB that week. He was sacked 10x. It isn't all on the QB. a lack of targets definitely hurt the Jets this year. Or, it told us that McElroy sucked. Large scale: Tom Brady's career Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsjetsjetss Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Was more referring to the mid tier QB who, when surrounded with talent on offense can win a lot of games and the Super Bowl. Eli looked pretty ordinary this season with Nicks out. this current Jets team with a Flacco or Eli isn't competing for a Super Bowl. a ravens team with sanchez is competing for a superbowl though either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted January 28, 2013 Author Share Posted January 28, 2013 a ravens team with sanchez is competing for a superbowl though either. Probably not. But I think this Ravens team has a better supporting cast than the 2009/2010 version of the Jets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Probably not. But I think this Ravens team has a better supporting cast than the 2009/2010 version of the Jets Quarterbacks are like point guards, man. You get a good one, all of a sudden everybody looks better. You get a bad one, everybody sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 BTW, I think I dated a few girls who used Fantasy Douche. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Was more referring to the mid tier QB who, when surrounded with talent on offense can win a lot of games and the Super Bowl. Eli looked pretty ordinary this season with Nicks out. this current Jets team with a Flacco or Eli isn't competing for a Super Bowl. Other examples of the mid-tier QB carried by Weaponz: Dalton to Green Ryan to Jones/White/Gonzalez Schaub to Johnson Kapernick to Davis Flacco to Boldin/Smith/Rice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted January 28, 2013 Author Share Posted January 28, 2013 Other examples of the mid-tier QB carried by Weaponz: Dalton to Green Ryan to Jones/White/Gonzalez Schaub to Johnson Kapernick to Davis Flacco to Boldin/Smith/Rice are you being sarcastic? Cant tell anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted January 28, 2013 Author Share Posted January 28, 2013 Quarterbacks are like point guards, man. You get a good one, all of a sudden everybody looks better. You get a bad one, everybody sucks. No doubt. Eli is still really good imo....but losing a guy like Nicks instantaneously makes him look pedestrian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 No doubt. Eli is still really good imo....but losing a guy like Nicks instantaneously makes him look pedestrian. It's reflexive across the whole offense, though. Losing Nicks doesn't screw up Eli as much as it screws up Cruz and Bennett--Nicks not being there frees up a safety, coverage rolls back to Cruz, etc. Same with Gronkowski-it's not that Gronk makes Brady better, it's that Gronk opens things up for Welker and Hernandez. Receivers are socialists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 are you being sarcastic? Cant tell anymore. I wasn't sure either. Those QBs *are* mediocre THO. There's got to be some synergy to an offense...Right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 Other examples of the mid-tier QB carried by Weaponz: Dalton to Green Ryan to Jones/White/Gonzalez Schaub to Johnson Kapernick to Davis Flacco to Boldin/Smith/Rice All are good enough to win any given sunday. the difference is that the first 3 names on that list play better in reg season and worse in playoffs and the bottom two are reversed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 Quarterbacks are like point guards, man. You get a good one, all of a sudden everybody looks better. You get a bad one, everybody sucks. this is true but it's also true that championship teams a stockton needs a malone, a magic needs a kareem etc. whoever was playing QB for the Jets didn't have any help, Cro's right about that much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drums Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 We need balance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted January 29, 2013 Author Share Posted January 29, 2013 The only guy in the league that could have made this offense anything better than respectable was Rodgers. And he may go down as the best to ever play the position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 Tebow had same weapons last year. Still won games... but did not compile traditional great QB stats. WHUT DOZZ IT MEAN??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedro55 Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 Just read it, friend. The notion here was Peyton could walk into Florham Park and turn water into wine aka Chaz Schillens into a better player than he was. A huge part of Peyton's success this season was him being surrounded by studs. Brady wasnt nearly the same passer after Gronk went down either. People say this crap all the time. Of course if you have great players, great things might happen. But put Sanchez on the Broncos and they are what, an 8-8 team? Tebow was on a Broncos team who went 8-8 and probably would have gone 8-8 again this year. And none of those WR made him a good QB last year. He just ran the ball well at the end of games, made a couple of nice passes, maybe, and that's that. People like to discredit the Manning's, Brady's etc the same reason they used to discredit Montana, Elway, etc. Sometimes you have to accept the fact that a great QB makes players around them a hell of a lot better than they actually ever would be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted January 29, 2013 Author Share Posted January 29, 2013 People say this crap all the time. Of course if you have great players, great things might happen. But put Sanchez on the Broncos and they are what, an 8-8 team? Tebow was on a Broncos team who went 8-8 and probably would have gone 8-8 again this year. And none of those WR made him a good QB last year. He just ran the ball well at the end of games, made a couple of nice passes, maybe, and that's that. People like to discredit the Manning's, Brady's etc the same reason they used to discredit Montana, Elway, etc. Sometimes you have to accept the fact that a great QB makes players around them a hell of a lot better than they actually ever would be. Demaryius Thomas made Tebow looked serviceable at time last year. He did have a few 300 yard games and he played pretty well in the playoff game. You need guys that can make plays with the football in their hands on offense. We have none of those guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 Demaryius Thomas made Tebow looked serviceable at time last year. But in 2011 Demaryius finished 80th in yardage. In 2012, he was 4th in the league. Just look at some of the names he finished ahead of. Do you really think Thomas is better than Roddy White? Or AJ Green? He made Tebow look serviceable, but Peyton didn't need any help looking good. You could see it by watching him play. Despite 4 neck surgeries he played like a Pro Bowl QB and is the 1b candidate for MVP with 1a Adrian Peterson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted January 29, 2013 Author Share Posted January 29, 2013 But in 2011 Demaryius finished 80th in yardage. In 2012, he was 4th in the league. Just look at some of the names he finished ahead of. Do you really think Thomas is better than Roddy White? Or AJ Green? Id take Thomas over White...not AJ Green though. Thomas is a beast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 Id take Thomas over White...not AJ Green though. Thomas is a beast. I think he's very good but not a beast. Roddy has been consistently at the top of the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 Also, how do you not consider the fact that Eric Decker had 13 TD's, SECOND in the league? The same way you look at James Jones who LED THE LEAGUE with 14 TD's. Decker had Peyton, Jones had Rodgers. Pretty simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 Brady wasnt nearly the same passer after Gronk went down either. tell that to the Texans defense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 The only guy in the league that could have made this offense anything better than respectable was Rodgers. And he may go down as the best to ever play the position. This may be true, but a "respectable" offense would have made this team pretty decent. Perhaps not championship caliber, but I think an "any given sunday" type team. Sanchez was historically inept. A better QB, and the season may not have been great, but I don't think it would have been a disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted January 31, 2013 Author Share Posted January 31, 2013 This may be true, but a "respectable" offense would have made this team pretty decent. Perhaps not championship caliber, but I think an "any given sunday" type team. Sanchez was historically inept. A better QB, and the season may not have been great, but I don't think it would have been a disaster. Rodgers is the best QB in the league at making throws to guys who arent open. Our receivers were rarely open this year. Our passing offense would have been sh*tty regardless. Our running game would have been sh*tty regardless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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