JetNation Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 For much of last season Jets fans were calling for a change at the quarterback position and while some preferred to see what Tim Tebow could offer many felt that the more traditional drop-back style of Greg McElroy would be successful. During the week 13 matchup with the Arizona Cardinals the McElroy contingent got their wish as a struggling Mark Sanchez was replaced and McElroy didn’t disappoint the Met-Life faithful leading the offense to the eventual winning touchdown. Head coach Rex Ryan decided to go back to Sanchez until week 16 when he named McElroy the starter against the San Diego Chargers after the Jets had been officially eliminated from the playoffs. This was the first time McElroy had started an NFL game. After going 14 of 24 for 185 yards, one interception, a fumble lost and being sacked 11 times it looked as if McElroy was not ready to become the Jets quarterback of the future. With the quarterback position a big question it will be up to general manager John Idzik to deal with this major problem. Mark Sanchez is studying new offensive coordinator Marty Mornhinweg’s system with former quarterback Jeff Garcia as Sanchez is all but locked into a roster spot due to his immovable contract. It has also been reported that Idzik is interested in bringing in a low-cost veteran quarterback and there is a very good chance the team will use one of their first three draft picks (1st - #9, 2nd - #39, 3rd - #72) on a quarterback. If the team acquires a veteran and a rookie, Tebow likely released, what does that mean for McElroy? The Jets will not carry four quarterbacks while it’s hard to think Sanchez, an early draft choice or any signed veteran would/could be cut. A former 2011 round seven pick now entering the third year of his rookie deal is certainly expandable from a financial standpoint and like it or not a rookie will get at least one season to potentially become the Jets long term answer at quarterback. It’s still early in the Idzik regime but the chances Mark Sanchez continues with the Jets after the 2013 season are slim. A veteran signal caller could obtain the starting role while the rookie develops and learns. Just wonder if McElroy will be the one left without a seat after the music stops? Follow Me:View the full article Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 Yep, he could be the odd man out. I like McElroy, but it doesn’t look like the cards are going to fall right for him. He’ll get camp to try to win a spot, but will have to be outstanding to unseat a vet they have brought in to challenge Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 He's worse than Sanchez but probably better than anyone they could draft this season. Bring in a vet to back up Sanchez, dump Tebow, keep McElroy until his contract is up. Vet won't beat out Sanchez because no good vet will come here knowing they barely will get a chance and the jets will be looking to draft the QB of the future next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 He is not a starter in the NFl is all you need to know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack48 Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 well I have only seen him a couple of times in college and pro, and he does not appear to have a quick release. not sure if he is accurate, not enough data, but you have to be quick in the WCO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 well I have only seen him a couple of times in college and pro, and he does not appear to have a quick release. not sure if he is accurate, not enough data, but you have to be quick in the WCO. I’ve seen him play quite a few times on TV when he was with Bama. He’s very accurate, somewhat mobile, doesn’t turn the ball over often, and can throw while moving. His real problem is he doesn’t have an NFL arm. A lot was made this year that he has strengthened his arm. Doubt it has become NFL worthy. IMO think he might be a decent back up, very unlikely he will ever be a starter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 McElsack had one of the worst QB performances I can remember, like as in ever f him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionelRichie Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 He's worse than Sanchez but probably better than anyone they could draft this season. Bring in a vet to back up Sanchez, dump Tebow, keep McElroy until his contract is up. Vet won't beat out Sanchez because no good vet will come here knowing they barely will get a chance and the jets will be looking to draft the QB of the future next season. how do you know he's worse than Sanchez? Because he had 1 end of season start when the team had already quit? How about the Jets try something novel and have an open competition and let the best man win? That seemed to work out pretty well for the Seahawks who had an incumbent starter, rookie, and high priced FA battle it out. Competition is always a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirlancemehlot Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 how do you know he's worse than Sanchez? Because he had 1 end of season start when the team had already quit? How about the Jets try something novel and have an open competition and let the best man win? That seemed to work out pretty well for the Seahawks who had an incumbent starter, rookie, and high priced FA battle it out. Competition is always a good thing. +1 We saw ONE start where the guy was mauled time and again on jailbreak blitzes. And he had the same garbage playing WR as Sanchez. Does Mac suck? Who knows? Maybe. But for a team willing to let Ducasse and Gholston "develop" for several seasons....McElroy didn't even get his foot in the door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 +1 We saw ONE start where the guy was mauled time and again on jailbreak blitzes. And he had the same garbage playing WR as Sanchez. Does Mac suck? Who knows? Maybe. But for a team willing to let Ducasse and Gholston "develop" for several seasons....McElroy didn't even get his foot in the door. Mostly agree with this. I would have liked to see him play one more game before moving on. I think he shot himself in the foot with the concussion cover up thing. Can’t blame him, but it seemed to really tic Rex off. Don’t think Rex wanted to throw Sanchez out there for more abuse. If the Jets pick up a vet FA, and draft a rookie in the 3-6 range, Mac will really have to light it up in camp to make the team. IMO his only chance is if the Jets wait until next year to take a QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 We saw ONE start where the guy was mauled time and again on jailbreak blitzes. according to PFF, McElroy had the most time to throw of any QB that week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 according to PFF, McElroy had the most time to throw of any QB that week. Film review: G-Mac attacked December, 24, 2012 12/24/12 7:12 PM ET By Rich Cimini | ESPNNewYork.com There's nothing that makes a football team look worse than when it can't protect its quarterback. By that standard, the Jets looked like garbage in Sunday's 27-17 loss to the Chargers. The Jets tied a team record by allowing 11 sacks -- in only 35 dropbacks, mind you. That kind of incompetence is unfathomable. "Ridiculous," Rex Ryan called it. When the Jets allowed 11 sacks on Oct. 4, 1987 -- in a strike game, with replacement players -- they had 46 dropbacks. How did the Jets, who sent three offensive linemen to the Pro Bowl last year, sink so low? Obviously, the line deserves its share of the blame, but this debacle went way beyond one position group. [+] Enlarge Rich Kane/Icon SMICorey Liuget notched two of the Chargers' 11 sacks of Jets QB Greg McElroy.After breaking down the tape, let us count the ways: • The Jets couldn't run the ball, creating obvious passing situations. In fact, eight sacks came on second/third/fourth-and-9 or greater. • First-time starting QB Greg McElroy held the ball too long on occasion. By my unofficial stopwatch, he held the ball at least 4.0 seconds on six sacks. At times, he didn't sense the pressure. Other times, he sensed it but slid the wrong way in the pocket. • A subjective tally of the guilty parties (sacks allowed): RT Austin Howard, 2.0; LT D'Brickashaw Ferguson, 2.0; RG Brandon Moore, 1.5; LG Vladimir Ducasse, 1.0; miscellaneous, 4.5 • The Chargers didn't exactly send the kitchen sink. They recorded six sacks on four-man rushes; four sacks on five-man rushes; and one sack on a six-man rush. Only once did they send a defensive back and, naturally, he was unblocked. • There appeared to be a litany of mental mistakes and confusion. RB Bilal Powell, usually a sure pass blocker, constantly leaked out of the backfield into pass routes. Once, there was a miscommunication between Ferguson and LG Matt Slauson. Another time, Moore and Howard were occupied with one rusher, letting another rusher swoop past them on a stunt. • Offensive coordinator Tony Sparano and line coach Dave DeGuglielmo deserve plenty of blame, too. On six sacks, they didn't have any RBs or TEs blocking -- just the five linemen. They had maximum protection (seven blockers) on only one sack. If your quarterback is getting his butt kicked, do you think it might make sense to keep in an extra blocker or two? This was a poorly coordinated effort. The players were indecisive and, at times, confused. That goes on the coaches. A breakdown of the 11 sacks: 1. Melvin Ingram. Before the draft, there was a lot of speculation about the Jets picking him 16th overall. He looked pretty good on this play, beating Ferguson with an outside move. 2. Kendall Reyes/Brandon Taylor. This was a rookie combo. Reyes, the former UConn standout, beat Moore for a half-sack. Taylor came free on a safety blitz for the other half. McElroy was indecisive, double pumping. 3. Donald Butler. Ingram pressured on a stunt between Slauson and Ferguson. McElroy took forever (8.0 seconds) and Butley cleaned up for the sack. 4. Larry English. The Jets actually kept in RB Shonn Greene and TE Jeff Cumberland to block. No matter. NT Antonio Garay made the sack possible by beating C Nick Mangold for a pressure. All English had to do was clean up. 5. Shaun Phillips. He beat Howard on an outside move, fell, got up and kept going -- a great hustle play. McElroy held the ball too long. 6. Reyes. He beat Moore, who didn't get any favors from McElroy, who slid in the wrong direction and went right into Reyes. 7. Corey Liuget. The powerful defensive end joined the sack party, beating Feguson with a spin move. McElroy stepped right into the sack. 8. Phillips. He got past Howard, cleanly. Powell leaked out to the flat and was open, but McElroy never saw him. 9. Reyes. Yeah, him again. He stunted to the outside, defeating Moore and Howard. McElroy moved the wrong way -- again. 10. Reyes. He finished off his 3.5-sack day, probably earning AFC Defensive Player of the Week honors. An assist goes to English, who harrassed McElroy by beating Ferguson to the outside. Moore and Howard both blocked LB Jarret Johnson, allowing Reyes to come free on a stunt. Someone messed up. 11. Liuget. You didn't think we'd be able to get through the debacle without mentioning Ducasse, did you? Liuget beat Ducasse with a power rush, ripping McElroy to the ground with a spectacular, one-handed takedown. It looked like something out of the WWE. In fairness to McElroy and the pass blockers, it's hard to execute a passing game when the receivers struggle to get open. That was often the case. It was just an entire mess, from play calling to blocking to throwing. "A lot of times, when I turned around," WR Braylon Edwards said, "Greg was already on the ground." That about says it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 I think what happened with Greg is he got concussed early in the game and tried to play through it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack48 Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 I’ve seen him play quite a few times on TV when he was with Bama. He’s very accurate, somewhat mobile, doesn’t turn the ball over often, and can throw while moving. His real problem is he doesn’t have an NFL arm. A lot was made this year that he has strengthened his arm. Doubt it has become NFL worthy. IMO think he might be a decent back up, very unlikely he will ever be a starter they say you do not need a great arm for the WCO, but his is average or below. too bad really. he has the personal attributes a QB needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 I think what happened with Greg is he got concussed early in the game and tried to play through it. Could very well be . Kid took a beating in that game. Think there were 20 QB hits. Ouch My memory of the game was from the get go, he was hit every time he threw the ball. Then he went into full panic mode and caused some of the sacks himself. My issue wasn’t with you, but PFF’s statement that he had more time then any QB in the NFL. That’s BS. Cimini indicates, in what is a rare good article by him, that McElroy contributed to 5 sacks. You may be correct that he was in ga-ga land early Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 1. He has not looked good. 2. Mornhinweg supposedly likes to try several deep balls a game. McElroy does not seem to fit the mold. 3. Jailbreak blitzes? Seriously? Who cares if he's the odd man out? Get as much competition as possible. If he is here good. He's cheap. If he's not **** him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 how do you know he's worse than Sanchez? Because he had 1 end of season start when the team had already quit? I thought he was supposed to re-energize the team? I watched him play, he's worse than Sanchez. If he was better, he would have been playing long before the Chargers debacle when the Jets still had a chance. The guy has a suspect arm, no pocket awareness and holds onto the ball forever. He wasn't anything special in college either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 Why waste time developing a dark horse backup if he doesn't have anything close to an NFL arm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 My issue wasn’t with you, but PFF’s statement that he had more time then any QB in the NFL. That’s BS. Cimini indicates, in what is a rare good article by him, that McElroy contributed to 5 sacks. You may be correct that he was in ga-ga land early if we read Cimini's article closely, some of those sacks he had 4, 6, 8 seconds to throw. the league average is 2.5. Greg had like 3.3 in that game good for the league lead in time. Having watched Sanchez all these years, we Jets fans are used to seeing a dude hold the ball. Greg was holding the ball too. He had plenty of time. He just didn't execute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 He's worse than Sanchez but probably better than anyone they could draft this season. Bring in a vet to back up Sanchez, dump Tebow, keep McElroy until his contract is up. Vet won't beat out Sanchez because no good vet will come here knowing they barely will get a chance and the jets will be looking to draft the QB of the future next season. Why do you say that? The Jets need options at QB. Yes, they should definitely look to sign a vet before the draft. But by simply taking a BAP approach to the draft, should a QB rise to the top of their draft boards, they shouldn't hesitate to take him. And there's no reason to think a mid-rounder can't be any better than McElroy. Worst case scenario, you have four QBs battling for three spots. Not really a bad scenario. And really, the Jets could very likely go into the draft targeting the position, and that wouldn't necessarily be all that bad, either. The only way you can get lucky with a mid-round QB is by taking one in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 Why do you say that? The Jets need options at QB. Yes, they should definitely look to sign a vet before the draft. But by simply taking a BAP approach to the draft, should a QB rise to the top of their draft boards, they shouldn't hesitate to take him. And there's no reason to think a mid-rounder can't be any better than McElroy. Worst case scenario, you have four QBs battling for three spots. Not really a bad scenario. And really, the Jets could very likely go into the draft targeting the position, and that wouldn't necessarily be all that bad, either. The only way you can get lucky with a mid-round QB is by taking one in the first place. The QBs in this draft are terrible. Drafting one is a waste of a pick unless you're taking a flier on a guy in like the 6th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack48 Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 how do you know he's worse than Sanchez? Because he had 1 end of season start when the team had already quit? How about the Jets try something novel and have an open competition and let the best man win? That seemed to work out pretty well for the Seahawks who had an incumbent starter, rookie, and high priced FA battle it out. Competition is always a good thing. Tom Matte would be a better choice than Sanchez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peebag Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 Why would you bring in a FA QB vet? What purpose would that fill? There's really so many holes on this team, da Jets ain't vying for a World Championship next year so go out a get as many qb prospects as you can - throw'em on the fire and see which one(s) don't burn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 Does anyone ever care? He's not an NFL caliber QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 Why would you bring in a FA QB vet? What purpose would that fill? There's really so many holes on this team, da Jets ain't vying for a World Championship next year so go out a get as many qb prospects as you can - throw'em on the fire and see which one(s) don't burn. Why bother playing any games next year? Just pack it in. The season is lost. Lost I say! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonehands Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 He's worse than Sanchez but probably better than anyone they could draft this season. So, if McElroy was in this draft he would be a first rounder? The statement makes no sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 Just do not think Mcelroy has the arm to make sense to keep him as a viable option Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 So, if McElroy was in this draft he would be a first rounder? The statement makes no sense. No QB in this draft is a first rounder. If McElroy was a rookie this year, he'd probably be one of the first taken. He still is not very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 No QB in this draft is a first rounder. If McElroy was a rookie this year, he'd probably be one of the first taken. He still is not very good. Not a chance. These guys aren't being taken because they are inconsistent. McElroy went late because he doesn't have an NFL arm. Teams will take a chance they can coach up an NFL arm, they won't take a chance the McElroy will grow an arm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 I think what happened with Greg is he got concussed early in the game and tried to play through it. This is the best hope for the kid's future in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanInDenver Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 Someday I wish we get to a point in JETS history where we do not have any below average QB's on our team! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted February 2, 2013 Share Posted February 2, 2013 If he is, we're ****ed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedro55 Posted February 2, 2013 Share Posted February 2, 2013 Does it really matter? He was a 3rd string QB who wasn't active for what, 14 out of 16 games. He wasn't even active in a game where Sanchez sucked, should have been benched, and Tebow was injured and Rex wasn't going to put him in. And nobody seemed to want or like Tebow as it was last season. That really says a lot about what the coaches saw from Greg. When the team never activated the kid for almost the entire season and they didn't like or believe in the starter or the backup, there just wasn't much anybody ever saw in him. He wasn't even good enough to be a backup on a team with two terrible QBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted February 2, 2013 Share Posted February 2, 2013 He'll be cut and catch on with the Vikings for a couple of years. He'll even make a start in his second year on the road at Green Bay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted February 2, 2013 Share Posted February 2, 2013 No QB in this draft is a first rounder. If only Everett Golson were draft-eligible! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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