flgreen Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 McShay, Kiper mock drafts 2.0 February, 7, 2013 Feb 7 2:38 PM ET By Rich Cimini | ESPNNewYork.com Hot off the presses, so to speak, here are the latest mock drafts from Todd McShay and Mel Kiper: McSHAY'S TOP NINE 1. Chiefs -- Star Lotulelei, DT, Utah 2. Jaguars -- Bjoern Werner, DE, Florida State 3. Raiders -- Dee Milliner, CB, Alabama 4. Eagles -- Luke Joeckel, OT, Texas A&M 5. Lions -- Dion Jordan, DE, Oregon 6. Browns -- Barkevious Mingo, DE, LSU 7. Cards -- Eric Fisher, OT, Central Michigan 8. Bills -- Geno Smith, QB, West Virginia 9. Jets -- Jarvis Jones, OLB, Georgia McShay's take: The Jets have one of the most depleted rosters in the NFL right now, but they're not going to find an answer to their quarterback problem in this scenario. That means finding a competent right tackle, a young pass-rusher (Calvin Pace likely to be cut) are at the top of the priority list. Jones would fit the bill as a pass-rusher. He's versatile, closes quickly and looks to jar the ball loose when he gets to quarterbacks or ball carriers. KIPER'S TOP NINE 1. Chiefs -- Luke Joeckel, OT, Texas A&M 2. Jaguars -- Damontre Moore, DE, Texas A&M 3. Raiders -- Star Lotulelei, DT, Utah 4. Eagles -- Dee Milliner, CB, Alabama 5. Lions -- Jarvis Jones, OLB, Georgia 6. Browns -- Bjoern Werner, DE, Florida State 7. Cards -- Eric Fisher, OT, Central Michigan 8. Bills -- Alec Ogletree, LB, Georgia 9. Jets -- Dion Jordan, DE, Oregon Kiper's take: Yes, they really need skill position upgrades, with wide receiver, tight end and running back all areas of need. But the value is an issue, so if the Jets don't trade down, they're better served going with the best player available at another position of need. I'm a big fan of the interior, with Muhammad Wilkerson and Quinton Coples in place, but the Jets could really use an edge rusher. Jordan is light, but he has long arms, great athleticism and I think can be a guy they don't need to shuttle in and out depending on downs and matchups. He has star potential, and the pass rush gets some help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 Poe and Lotuleli could be Henderson/Stroud all over again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted February 7, 2013 Author Share Posted February 7, 2013 Wow, Jordan really seems to have made a big rise from the earlier mocks I had seen. I'd be thrilled with Jarvis Jones at 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 sounds about right. They wouldn't pass on Jarvis (who goes 5 in Kiper's mock) and Dion Jordan is a real interesting athlete. note how Geno Smith is barely in mcshay's top 10 and he's not in Kipers at all. So many mocks have him going to KC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanInDenver Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 Doesn't Jarvis Jones have some spinal injury issues ? Is he even worth a 1st round pick because of that ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenseed4 Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 Doesn't Jarvis Jones have some spinal injury issues ? Is he even worth a 1st round pick because of that ? Spinal stenosis. It would be the reason he would drop that far, and arguably, the reason we should allow him to continue dropping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 This would be a great year to trade down if possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 Spinal stenosis. It would be the reason he would drop that far, and arguably, the reason we should allow him to continue dropping. Which is what Marcus McNeill has, if I remember correctly, who was a 2x pro-bowler and is now out of the league at 29 years old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 here's a link to a Jets doctor, 2 weeks ago, saying basically that Stenosis is not a problem. http://www.austinchronicle.com/blogs/sports/2013-01-23/the-nfl-beat-spinal-stenosis/ mocking the draft isn't what you would do. It's about what the Jets would do. And let's be real the Jets never fail any1. Drob and Vilma had issues, didn't stop the Jets. So regardless of what you personally would do, these Jets doctors aren't failing Jarvis Jones. They never fail anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenseed4 Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 Which is what Marcus McNeill has, if I remember correctly, who was a 2x pro-bowler and is now out of the league at 29 years old. McNeil, Michael Irvin, Cris Samuels, Shannon Sharpe...the list actually goes on and on. The point you're making isn't that McNeil wasn't talented. 2 probowls is legit. The point is he was drafted the same year as Ferguson, and is now out of football, whereas D'Brick should continue to enjoy a lengthy career. Another point to consider, McNeil played a position that limited the distance between collisions, whereas Jarvis Jones should be administering them on a regular basis. Begging the question, do we want a high rish/high reward player with our first pick? or does our new GM play it safe? I would like to see the team trade down, and still draft him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 I'd rather have Jordan than Jones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanInDenver Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 Which is what Marcus McNeill has, if I remember correctly, who was a 2x pro-bowler and is now out of the league at 29 years old. Sure thing. But McNeill fell to the second round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 here's a link to a Jets doctor, 2 weeks ago, saying basically that Stenosis is not a problem. http://www.austinchr...pinal-stenosis/ mocking the draft isn't what you would do. It's about what the Jets would do. And let's be real the Jets never fail any1. Drob and Vilma had issues, didn't stop the Jets. So regardless of what you personally would do, these Jets doctors aren't failing Jarvis Jones. They never fail anyone. To be fair, didn't Vilma and DRob have the same issue? Bone on bone condition in the knee? Back in the day the Jets failed a bunch of guys including Munoz. Their recent leniency may have been an overreaction to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 This would be a great year to trade down if possible. agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanInDenver Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 McNeil, Michael Irvin, Cris Samuels, Shannon Sharpe...the list actually goes on and on. The point you're making isn't that McNeil wasn't talented. 2 probowls is legit. The point is he was drafted the same year as Ferguson, and is now out of football, whereas D'Brick should continue to enjoy a lengthy career. Another point to consider, McNeil played a position that limited the distance between collisions, whereas Jarvis Jones should be administering them on a regular basis. Begging the question, do we want a high rish/high reward player with our first pick? or does our new GM play it safe? I would like to see the team trade down, and still draft him. Some fair point. Except even if the JETS trade down I would not want them to draft this guy in the 1st round with that lower pick. Its a very risky proposition! But if he fell to the 3rd round....but that's may not happen. I see someone like the 49ers or Seahwaks who are on the cusp on winning it all, going out and taking a risk on this guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 Which is what Marcus McNeill has, if I remember correctly, who was a 2x pro-bowler and is now out of the league at 29 years old. If I remember correctly his conference split in those two pro bowl games. So his value when he was playing is unclear as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsjetsjetss Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 god im just talking myself into trading down and drafting geno smith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted February 7, 2013 Author Share Posted February 7, 2013 god im just talking myself into trading down and drafting geno smith Geno Smith might be gone with the first pick of the draft. IMO I wouldn't take him late in the 1st. He is not RG III. Everyone keeps on talking about trading down. This will be a very difficult draft to trade down in. There just aren't many players teams want to trade up for. IMO the Jets will sit at 9 and take the best pass rusher. or Chance Warmack. I'm good with either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 IMO the Jets will sit at 9 and take the best pass rusher. or Chance Warmack. I'm good with either by the way Kiper has Cooper going before Warmack in this mock. Just sayin... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ignatius del Sol Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 here's a link to a Jets doctor, 2 weeks ago, saying basically that Stenosis is not a problem. I'd be more impressed if you could show me a link to one of the companies that writes policies on NFL contracts saying that stenosis isn't a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 I'd be more impressed if you could show me a link to one of the companies that writes policies on NFL contracts saying that stenosis isn't a problem. there's just no pleasing some people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbanmadmike1 Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 Another thing is that the defense the Jets play can get to the QB without an "elite" pass rusher, they did in Rex's first two seasons. You can't hide a bad guard though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 You can't hide a bad guard though... the guards are about 10th on the list of positions that need help on this team. ANything having to do with the OL is fine. More than good enough to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 by the way Kiper has Cooper going before Warmack in this mock. Just sayin... Cooper's such a beast. In a ZB scheme or an offense that uses all of an OL's athleticism he has All Pro potential. Nobody gets to the second and third level like he does in this draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted February 7, 2013 Author Share Posted February 7, 2013 by the way Kiper has Cooper going before Warmack in this mock. Just sayin... Kiper does a lot of things that I think are goofy. That would be one of them. Actually I hate to pick any guard at 9, but the Jets can't blow this pick. Warmack won't be a bust. In all honesty there are a few potential good pass rushers in this draft. i'm a bit scared of all of them for different reasons. Pass rushers are an odd lot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 Cooper's such a beast. In a ZB scheme or an offense that uses all of an OL's athleticism he has All Pro potential. Nobody gets to the second and third level like he does in this draft. agree, cooper best of lot in this draft IMHO. AllPro in his future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 Actually I hate to pick any guard at 9, but the Jets can't blow this pick. Warmack won't be a bust. Chance is a great prospect but to say he won't be a bust is kinda random. Everyone can bust All of these guys have risk factors. Andrew Luck is the type of prospect who we can safely say won't be a bust and there's clearly no talent like that in the top end. Luke Joekel is probably the closest thing to a 100% safe pick. but even that has risk (robert gallery) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenseed4 Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 Jarvis, Chance....anybody we draft will bust. IF we trade down before getting one of these guys will at least take the sting off--three years down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsjetsjetss Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 Geno Smith might be gone with the first pick of the draft. IMO I wouldn't take him late in the 1st. He is not RG III. Everyone keeps on talking about trading down. This will be a very difficult draft to trade down in. There just aren't many players teams want to trade up for. IMO the Jets will sit at 9 and take the best pass rusher. or Chance Warmack. I'm good with either thats true smith isnt rg3 but we also wouldnt be picking him with a 2nd overall pick either. Id definitly use a mid to late rounder on him if he drops. Im not in love with any of the pass rushers this year (probably because i see lots of other needs). I do think there is a good chance of trading down tho because there are a bunch of solid lineman on both sides of the ball that some teams would want Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 thats true smith isnt rg3 but we also wouldnt be picking him with a 2nd overall pick either. Id definitly use a mid to late rounder on him if he drops. watch Geno in the bowl game against Syracuse he exhibits Sanchez-like pocket presence, taking 2 safeties in the snow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsjetsjetss Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 watch Geno in the bowl game against Syracuse he exhibits Sanchez-like pocket presence, taking 2 safeties in the snow. lol hes not great but i do think hed be an adequate starter maybe 1-2 year pro bowl nonstarter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirlancemehlot Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 I'd be more impressed if you could show me a link to one of the companies that writes policies on NFL contracts saying that stenosis isn't a problem. Yeah lol at spinal stenosis not being a problem. As if it is a sprained ankle. There are various degrees of the condition from mild to severe. To say one player had it and was fine so all players with SS will be fine is the silliest thing I've heard in a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Mostro Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 9. Jets -- Dion Jordan, DE, Oregon This kid is going to be beastly as a 3-4 OLB. Me likes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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