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How about the drop off from Cro to say Kyle Wilson?  That is where the real problem is.  We will still have a stud lined up on one side of the field, and where once stood Cro now stands somebody who is in a completely different league as Revis or Cro.

 

 

that is a problem. But i was more talking towards the point of trading cro over revis. If we trade either wilson will be the other guy on the field. Cro is a lot cheaper and isnt that much worse then revis so i say keep him!

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Just ask Bit.  He'll explain it all

 

In football there are good players and there are bad players. Teams should try to keep their good players and get rid of their bad players. 

 

btw a 2nd from Denver is in the 50's. a conditional 1st from a super bowl winning team is a pick at 32.  The 55th pick and the 32nd pick in 2014 is actually light for a player of Revis' abilities. Historically, there has never been a player this talented and this young to hit the open market. Multiple firsts or the Jets got ripped off. 

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From a pure logic stand point I agree with you.

 

He’s just not worth the money he’s asking for.  NFL player decisions frequently defy logic.

I really believe out there some where is a GM that has convinced himself that if Revis was on his team they would be Super Bowl champions.

 

If there is two of them, the money and draft picks flow.  Your mentioning Denver is interesting.  Elway went all in with Manning.  Manning has one, maybe two years left.  If they don’t win it all in the next two years it was all a waste.  If he feels Revis puts them over the top.  They will be players.

 

I also think perhaps Seattle will be a player in this.

 

What I would like to get for Revis is a 2nd this year, and a conditional 1 and 2 next year, if they can get him signed.

I know your on record as not agreeing he has that much value.  And your probably right.  I think there are 2 desperate GM’s out there who disagree 

Gotta think Champ Bailey playing horrendoulsy in the Ravens playoff game is driving them absolutely batsheet.Swoop in and takea dvatange; a 1 and some conditional 2 and 3 picks would work. But not sure how you fit Manning and REvis.

 

I don't fault Revis for wanting as much money as he can in a limited career. He is the best player the Jets have had sinc Namath, and may be the best they ever had. More damning of the Jets as a franchise as you could think.

 

Can fault Tannenbaum for not trying to trade him last winter to the Saints when Brees was locked in a  contract mess. Which is typical of the Jets not being proactive-every cut the Jets mede today could've been made a year ago without impacting the quality of the personnel one bit. And that goes double for Sanchez. The Jets aren't winning anything in 2013.Tos till spedn any cap room on Pick 6 in 2014 would be a crime.  Why is cutting him today even a  decision? Lets' get it over with.

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In football there are good players and there are bad players. Teams should try to keep their good players and get rid of their bad players. 

 

btw a 2nd from Denver is in the 50's. a conditional 1st from a super bowl winning team is a pick at 32.  The 55th pick and the 32nd pick in 2014 is actually light for a player of Revis' abilities. Historically, there has never been a player this talented and this young to hit the open market. Multiple firsts or the Jets got ripped off. 

 

See, I told you Bit would explain it all

 

If all they get is a 4th rounder, it is better then what they will get after the 2013 throw away season.  0 

 

I really doubt they are going to pay him elite QB money.  He'll be playing somewhere else in 2014 no matter what

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See, I told you Bit would explain it all

 

If all they get is a 4th rounder, it is better then what they will get after the 2013 throw away season.  0 

 

I really doubt they are going to pay him elite QB money.  He'll be playing somewhere else in 2014 no matter what

 

there is no such thing as a throw away season. and elite QB money is 20+ now, you are right they aren't gonna pay him that. 

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there is no such thing as a throw away season. and elite QB money is 20+ now, you are right they aren't gonna pay him that. 

I would love to agree. But it's been clear since 2012 ended that 2013 will in fact be a throwaway year. May be Idzik can find some players to build with and some leftovers that can be servicable going forward. But barring the miracle of cutting Sanchez(which doesn't appear to be on the agenda as of now) thsi team is gonna suck.

 

Bad.

 

Hard.

 

Every week.

 

Wrecks Ryan is a dead man walking.

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you guys who hate Revis think he cares about money. it's not about money. Its about respect. when you are the best player in the locker room and the team isn't paying you as such, its a respect issue. When revis was the 7th highest paid DB, behind Eric Smith, that's a lack of respect.

The problem with this argument is that it completely ignores how contracts are structured under the salary cap.  Revis believes he should be the heighest paid player every year of his contract and that is simply not feasible.

 

Thus, he got paid $18 mil one year and the next he'll get less because the contract has to be structured that way.  So, in one year, he'll get paid less than an Eric Smith because Smith signed a shorter contract. 

 

It's not about a lack of respect.  It's about him, you, and his other defenders having a simple lack of knowledge about math.

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there is no such thing as a throw away season. and elite QB money is 20+ now, you are right they aren't gonna pay him that. 

Don't worry, Revis is going to get paid.  He's looking to get $18 mil per and he'll find a way to get it if it means holding out every 2 years.

 

We all know how it works.  Revis makes $3 mil this year, the last year of his contract.  There is no way he steps onto the field for $3 mil.  He'll claim practice flu or a sore knee to not do anything and it will be a defacto holdout.

 

What he wants is to get a new contract in 2013.  He's not crazy enough after an ACL injury to play out this season with the hopes of a new contract next year.  He'lls shoot for his $18 mil per from the Jets or any other team that will trade for him.  He'll even take $12 mil per if he can get it now because he'll structure it to get $36 mil the first 2 seasons and then in 2015 he'll just holdout again.

 

Everyone is going to be happy because Revis will get paid and the Jets will get good trade compensation because it is in Revis' best interest that the trading team gives the Jets something enticing to consemate the deal.

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It's not about a lack of respect.  It's about him, you, and his other defenders having a simple lack of knowledge about math.

 

 

i might not know about math but I know about football. Revis makes this team better. Losing a player of his caliber (and replacing him with a low 1 and a low 2 ) would be a disaster.

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I would love to agree. But it's been clear since 2012 ended that 2013 will in fact be a throwaway year. May be Idzik can find some players to build with and some leftovers that can be servicable going forward. But barring the miracle of cutting Sanchez(which doesn't appear to be on the agenda as of now) thsi team is gonna suck. 

 

 

I still have hope for 2013. The Jets have some good players, a new offense and stranger things have happened. 

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i might not know about math but I know about football. Revis makes this team better. Losing a player of his caliber (and replacing him with a low 1 and a low 2 ) would be a disaster.

 

I'm not arguing that point.  I'm arguing with your defense of Revis' contract demands.  It's not about respect.  It's about money.  Revis wants a contract that pays him $18 mil every year of the contract.  No team is going to give him that so he will find a way through holdouts and trade demands to keep on getting signing bonuses that ad up to $36 mil in the 1st 2 years and then keep on seeking to renegotiate after that.

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I'm not arguing that point.  I'm arguing with your defense of Revis' contract demands.  It's not about respect.  It's about money.  Revis wants a contract that pays him $18 mil every year of the contract.  No team is going to give him that so he will find a way through holdouts and trade demands to keep on getting signing bonuses that ad up to $36 mil in the 1st 2 years and then keep on seeking to renegotiate after that.

 

 

No team is going to give him $18M, but they are going to give him $18M in bonuses for 2 years?  I know everybody thinks Tannenbaum is stupid, but don't most GMs have a working knowledge of how to structure bonuses?  If Revis is smarter than the GM he deserves the money.

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i might not know about math but I know about football. Revis makes this team better. Losing a player of his caliber (and replacing him with a low 1 and a low 2 ) would be a disaster.

 

You wouldn't just be replacing him with draft picks, you'd be replacing him with the draft picks and whatever the $15M/year or so will buy you on the free agent market. Could be a another star, or a few quality starters. Two top 50 picks and three high/mid-tier free agents would do a lot for a team in desperate need of not only starters, but depth.

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No team is going to give him $18M, but they are going to give him $18M in bonuses for 2 years?  I know everybody thinks Tannenbaum is stupid, but don't most GMs have a working knowledge of how to structure bonuses?  If Revis is smarter than the GM he deserves the money.

 

I may have worded that inartfully, but the point was that although Revis won't get (for example) a 5 yr $90 mil deal which is $18 mil per, he'll make sure that with bonuses he'll get paid in real money $36 mil in the 1st 2 years via base salary and bonuses so it is essentially $18 mil per year his first 2 years.  Then he can start renegotiating in year 3.

So, for example, lets say Revis agrees to a 5 yr $65 mil deal.  That averages $13 mil per, but Revis will get $36 mil in his 1st 2 yrs with base and prorated bonuses.  That leaves Revis getting paid $9.7 mil in each of his 3 remaining years.  That's just too low for Revis so he'll seek to renegotiate in year 3 so he can get his $18 mil again that year.

 

GM's certainly know how to structure bonuses.  It is Revis who ignores that.  Thus, he complains in year 3 and 4 that he is not the highest paid player all the while ignoring the fact that he got balloon payments in years 1 and 2 because of how the contract is structured.

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I may have worded that inartfully, but the point was that although Revis won't get (for example) a 5 yr $90 mil deal which is $18 mil per, he'll make sure that with bonuses he'll get paid in real money $36 mil in the 1st 2 years via base salary and bonuses so it is essentially $18 mil per year his first 2 years.  Then he can start renegotiating in year 3.

So, for example, lets say Revis agrees to a 5 yr $65 mil deal.  That averages $13 mil per, but Revis will get $36 mil in his 1st 2 yrs with base and prorated bonuses.  That leaves Revis getting paid $9.7 mil in each of his 3 remaining years.  That's just too low for Revis so he'll seek to renegotiate in year 3 so he can get his $18 mil again that year.

 

GM's certainly know how to structure bonuses.  It is Revis who ignores that.  Thus, he complains in year 3 and 4 that he is not the highest paid player all the while ignoring the fact that he got balloon payments in years 1 and 2 because of how the contract is structured.

 

I respectfully disagree.  The GM and the agent always know what the player is owed each season and structure each deal so that they have to figure what the responsibilities are at the start of each league year if the team wants to cut their losses and dump the player.  Teams do it with great players that are paid a lot all the time.  See Woodson in Green Bay.  Teams also know that when they have a player with a very low salary later in a deal that player is going to demand his deal be redone.  We looked at Jason Smith, Scott and Pace at the start of the season and knew they were going to be cut this offseason, no matter how they performed.  The same with Brandon Moore a few years ago. Nature of the beast, just like the way Revis will demand his contract be structured and any GM will be going into that deal with their eyes wide open. 

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I respectfully disagree.  The GM and the agent always know what the player is owed each season and structure each deal so that they have to figure what the responsibilities are at the start of each league year if the team wants to cut their losses and dump the player.  Teams do it with great players that are paid a lot all the time.  See Woodson in Green Bay.  Teams also know that when they have a player with a very low salary later in a deal that player is going to demand his deal be redone.  We looked at Jason Smith, Scott and Pace at the start of the season and knew they were going to be cut this offseason, no matter how they performed.  The same with Brandon Moore a few years ago. Nature of the beast, just like the way Revis will demand his contract be structured and any GM will be going into that deal with their eyes wide open. 

 

What you just posted doesn't support the assertion that you disagree with me. :D

 

Any GM is going to deal with their eyes wide open and they know full well that Revis, based on history, will attempt to renegotiate his contract every 2 to 3 years regardless of what he made previously.

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you guys who hate Revis think he cares about money. it's not about money. Its about respect. when you are the best player in the locker room and the team isn't paying you as such, its a respect issue. When revis was the 7th highest paid DB, behind Eric Smith, that's a lack of respect.

 

This interview, sounds like Revis doesn't want to leave. If he really cared about money over all else, he'd be happy to leave. There's more money to be made as a former Jet than as a current Jet. It sounds like he just wants to work it out but Woody isn't answering the phone. 

 

as a side note Woody is on a plunge emotionally. He invests all this money in the Romney campaign. He asks Mike Pettine to choose him over Rex and Mike says no. then the Jets bottom out and he has to fire his trusted friend Tanny. He has to sit with Rex as a news conference and pretend they are all friends.

 

This "trade Revis" thing is like a losing gambler asking for more markers from the casino. Woody is on a terrible cool streak and there might not be a limit to his self-destruction. 

 

 

It's only about the money and always has been, it's why he's held out already twice and ruined the start to one of his seasons for doing so.  I don't understand why you keep seeming to forget that the contract he's demanding is something like 40+% more than the second highest paid CB...no other player has done that at their respective position.  If Rodgers comes in asking for $30 million per will you defend him the same way??  By your logic, he's the best player at his position, is the best player on their team, is on a progression for HOF status, you just don't let good players go, so you should respect him by absolutely crippling the rest of your team??  The thing is, I'd rather by rodgers 30 million than Revis 18.

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I'm not arguing that point.  I'm arguing with your defense of Revis' contract demands.  It's not about respect.  It's about money.  Revis wants a contract that pays him $18 mil every year of the contract.  No team is going to give him that so he will find a way through holdouts and trade demands to keep on getting signing bonuses that ad up to $36 mil in the 1st 2 years and then keep on seeking to renegotiate after that.

 

 

What you just posted doesn't support the assertion that you disagree with me. :biggrin:

 

Any GM is going to deal with their eyes wide open and they know full well that Revis, based on history, will attempt to renegotiate his contract every 2 to 3 years regardless of what he made previously.

 

I'm only pointing out the internal hypocrisy of your post. You say that no team is going to give him that money, but that they will structure his deal so that he gets it for the first two years.  Only the idiot public and possibly hacks like Cimini believe that the deal is worth the number of years and dollars of it's entire term.  Didn't Tannenbaum have a no-holdout clause in the deal? 

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What would be ideal is Revis reporting to camp while an extension is worked on. Isn't that how it generally works?

Why hasn't Ed Reed ever held out?

 

The trouble with that is that would mean that we aren't going to get any picks before 2014.  I know the prevailing wisdom is that 2014 draft> 2013, but waiting a full year for the pick is a pretty big discount. 

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I'm only pointing out the internal hypocrisy of your post. You say that no team is going to give him that money, but that they will structure his deal so that he gets it for the first two years.  Only the idiot public and possibly hacks like Cimini believe that the deal is worth the number of years and dollars of it's entire term.  Didn't Tannenbaum have a no-holdout clause in the deal? 

 

Not getting the hypocricy claim.  Revis's stated intention is to get between $16 mil to $18 mil every year of his contract. He's on record as saying that and there has been reports expanding on that.  That's QB money and he won't get it.  Hence, my statement that he won't get paid on a single contract $18 mil for every year of the deal. Thus, he will seek to renegotiate to do an end around that fact.

 

BTW, the deal Tanny signed Revis to did exactly that.  It gave him balloon payments in the 1st 2 years.  In fact, Revis pocketed something like $25 mil in his 1st year of the contract.  It ended up averaging about $36+ mil in the 1st 2 years.  Tanny added the no-holdout clause because he knew Revis would try to holdout after those 1st 2 years when Revi's salary dropped in year 3.

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The trouble with that is that would mean that we aren't going to get any picks before 2014.  I know the prevailing wisdom is that 2014 draft> 2013, but waiting a full year for the pick is a pretty big discount

That’s true.  That is why teams often trade a second round pick in the current draft for a 1st in the following.

 

In this case I would prefer the picks in  2014.  I think the Jets will need to use some fire power to move up to get one of the few decent QB’s in the 2014 draft.

Or Clowney

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Not getting the hypocricy claim.  Revis's stated intention is to get between $16 mil to $18 mil every year of his contract. He's on record as saying that and there has been reports expanding on that.  That's QB money and he won't get it.  Hence, my statement that he won't get paid on a single contract $18 mil for every year of the deal. Thus, he will seek to renegotiate to do an end around that fact.

 

BTW, the deal Tanny signed Revis to did exactly that.  It gave him balloon payments in the 1st 2 years.  In fact, Revis pocketed something like $25 mil in his 1st year of the contract.  It ended up averaging about $36+ mil in the 1st 2 years.  Tanny added the no-holdout clause because he knew Revis would try to holdout after those 1st 2 years when Revi's salary dropped in year 3.

 

You are saying he won't get it, but saying that he will. 

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You wouldn't just be replacing him with draft picks, you'd be replacing him with the draft picks and whatever the $15M/year or so will buy you on the free agent market. Could be a another star, or a few quality starters. Two top 50 picks and three high/mid-tier free agents would do a lot for a team in desperate need of not only starters, but depth.

 

the free agent market is overrated. Everyone good gets franchised or resigned. Mario instead of Revis? It's a downgrade.  as for depth you don't need to trade the team's best player for depth. that's what late rounds and UDFA is for.

 

by the way when did Revis demand 18 mil? That never happened. The figure is off by at least 2 mil maybe more. 

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