Ham has us taking Cutler with 3rd pick in draft

[afosomf]

It makes me want to vomit. I respect Ham's opinion but this pick has ryan leaf written all over it.

[sirlancemehlot]

It makes me want to vomit. I respect Ham's opinion but this pick has ryan leaf written all over it.

There was only only one Ryan Leaf. There will never be a bigger bust. Unless he suits up again and sucks even harder.

[aec4]

There was only only one Ryan Leaf. There will never be a bigger bust. Unless he suits up again and sucks even harder.

Well maybe this will be Tim Couch then or Akili Smith

[afosomf]

add Alex Smith and Andre Ware , heath Schuler, the beat goes on

Many SEC QBS end up sucking bigtime, Peyton/eli are the only ones recently who have made it.

[The Troll]

It makes me want to vomit. I respect Ham's opinion but this pick has ryan leaf written all over it.

So, it makes you vomit that we would take a strong-armed leader that led a school that has been terrible for their entire history to respectablility, but you would give up the farm for an average-armed quarterback with a weird throwing motion that has proven the same amount in the NFL as the guy with the cannon?

It takes a sentence that long to truly explain how assinine this post is.

[afosomf]

So, it makes you vomit that we would take a strong-armed leader that led a school that has been terrible for their entire history to respectablility, but you would give up the farm for an average-armed quarterback with a weird throwing motion that has proven the same amount in the NFL as the guy with the cannon?

It takes a sentence that long to truly explain how assinine this post is.

you said your post is assinine!!!!!!!!!!

r u a vandy grad for christs sake

[The Troll]

you said your post is assinine!!!!!!!!!!

r u a vandy grad for christs sake

"This post" referred to the one I quoted. Nice grasp at straws, however.

[afosomf]

"This post" referred to the one I quoted. Nice grasp at straws, however.

I do not believe the under achieving Abe wuus is the farm and Cutler at 3rd pick is Russain Roulette, so excuse me for breathing

[PatsFanTX]

It makes me want to vomit.

Note to Jets fans: The Jets have one of the worst Offensive Lines in the NFL. If they don't start rebuilding that mess immediately, the Jets won't see .500 for the next 5 years.

Unless you get Bush (highly unlikely), the Jets should grab D'Brick with their 1st pick and grab another offensive lineman with the 35th-37th overall pick.

That should give the Jets two immediate starters on the OLine.

Both Lienart and Cutler are risky picks. Rather than rolling the dice on two players that have yet to play a down in the NFL, go after Matt Schaub with a passion (and dollars).

Matt Schaub will be a quality starting NFL QB.

[afosomf]

Note to Jets fans: The Jets have one of the worst Offensive Lines in the NFL. If they don't start rebuilding that mess immediately, the Jets won't see .500 for the next 5 years.

Unless you get Bush (highly unlikely), the Jets should grab D'Brick with their 1st pick and grab another offensive lineman with the 35th-37th overall pick.

That should give the Jets two immediate starters on the OLine.

Both Lienart and Cutler are risky picks. Rather than rolling the dice on two players that have yet to play a down in the NFL, go after Matt Schaub with a passion (and dollars).

Matt Schaub will be a quality starting NFL QB.

this is how i see it panning out!

SF gets 1st pick and Jets get 2nd pick, hou beats SF in last game.

Bush dictates that he wants to play in NY, They swap picks and jets throw in a #1 pick in 2007. the 49ers then trade this slot to the leinart/cutler fools for a king's ramsom.

[PatsFanTX]

this is how i see it panning out!

SF gets 1st pick and Jets get 2nd pick, hou beats SF in last game.

Bush dictates that he wants to play in NY, They swap picks and jets throw in a #1 pick in 2007. the 49ers then trade this slot to the leinart/cutler fools for a king's ramsom.

Intersting scenario afo.

But Bush aside, do you agree with my assessment that the Jets need to focus on the OLine?

[Barton]

Intersting scenario afo.

But Bush aside, do you agree with my assessment that the Jets need to focus on the OLine?

I hope that happens, assmop. But I know Bush did say he would like to play with his former high school teammate - Alex Smith, 49ers QB.

I know the 49ers did try trading down last year, but that was a weak draft in the top 10. Then again, the 49ers GM a couple of days ago hinted at the possibility of the 49ers trading down and passing on Bush. Maybe he was bluffing? Who knows...

This Oline was damn good in 2004.

IMO, we just need to find a replacement for Kendall at LG and a new RT (maybe Steve Morley?)

JMO, but you dont build Olines with 1st rd picks. This draft is deep in tackles, and we can steal a good tackle in the 2nd rd.

I'd love for the Jets to tap into USC - Reggie Bush rd 1. Winston Justice rd 2.

A guard or center in rd 3.

LT - Jones

LG - Draft pick/FA

C - Mawae/Draft pick/FA

RG - Moore

RT - Justice

Olines get better over time the more they work toegether as a unit. They're really a team on a team. This current Oline has improved over time this season, picking up the new schemes and having the same players starting for consecutive weeks.

[Blackout]

REG-GIE REG-GIE

[afosomf]

I hope that happens, assmop. But I know Bush did say he would like to play with his former high school teammate - Alex Smith, 49ers QB.

I know the 49ers did try trading down last year, but that was a weak draft in the top 10. Then again, the 49ers GM a couple of days ago hinted at the possibility of the 49ers trading down and passing on Bush. Maybe he was bluffing? Who knows...

This Oline was damn good in 2004.

IMO, we just need to find a replacement for Kendall at LG and a new RT (maybe Steve Morley?)

JMO, but you dont build Olines with 1st rd picks. This draft is deep in tackles, and we can steal a good tackle in the 2nd rd.

I'd love for the Jets to tap into USC - Reggie Bush rd 1. Winston Justice rd 2.

A guard or center in rd 3.

LT - Jones

LG - Draft pick/FA

C - Mawae/Draft pick/FA

RG - Moore

RT - Justice

Olines get better over time the more they work toegether as a unit. They're really a team on a team. This current Oline has improved over time this season, picking up the new schemes and having the same players starting for consecutive weeks.

EB- i realize that but Alex smith sucks and Bush will make millions more in NY. SF has many holes and QB is one of them, They make take Leinart and trade Alex.

[MiamiJet]

Note to Jets fans: The Jets have one of the worst Offensive Lines in the NFL. If they don't start rebuilding that mess immediately, the Jets won't see .500 for the next 5 years.

Unless you get Bush (highly unlikely), the Jets should grab D'Brick with their 1st pick and grab another offensive lineman with the 35th-37th overall pick.

That should give the Jets two immediate starters on the OLine.

Both Lienart and Cutler are risky picks. Rather than rolling the dice on two players that have yet to play a down in the NFL, go after Matt Schaub with a passion (and dollars).

Matt Schaub will be a quality starting NFL QB.

I agree with Tx. I also think we should nab D'Brick with the #1 and, if possible, take Cutler in round three if avail, or make a play for Shaub.

People around the league love this kid, they all think he will be a solid, starting qb, in the mold of Jake Delhomme. Atlanta knows the Jets want him and will ask for at least a #2. If so, I'd take it and run.

I like Cutler, being a Michigan man, here. Drew Brees panned out pretty well, but Herm and Terry do not have much shelf life left. I doubt they go that route.

[afosomf]

d' brick is under 300 pds, and i'm not sold on him, look at gallery #2 pick in draft is sucking pondwater in OAk.

[MiamiJet]

d' brick is under 300 pds, and i'm not sold on him, look at gallery #2 pick in draft is sucking pondwater in OAk.

These guys are still kids, Afosomf. They do add weight.

He also added 30 lbs the year before. He can add weight, keep his athleticsm, and remain dominant.

We absolutely need to rebuild the line. You win by building through the trenches. Our line has been neglected.

[PatsFanTX]

We absolutely need to rebuild the line. You win by building through the trenches. Our line has been neglected.

Any Jet fan that argues that point does not understand the game of football.

[MiamiJet]

Any Jet fan that argues that point does not understand the game of football.

Once our strength, now our weakness. It cost us our season.

Terry tried to follow your boys by being cheap and thinking he could just plug in guys. It only works so often.

I also watched the Bears play patchwork with their line for years, only to see grossman go down time and again.

Now they finally have a decent line and he's healthy once again.

To think that Indy, Baltimore, Pitts, and KC have big, massive lines, and we have a seive....

[stormshadow19]

Any Jet fan that argues that point does not understand the game of football.

Only those who want flash and dash will argue it. I grew up with the Lions (though being a Jets fan). The Lions had Barry Sanders and one playoff win. He was the best running back most of us have seen during our life times, and one of the top five players we've seen. But, the Lions offensive line wasn't good, as their defensive line. They had Lomas Brown (Barry's bodyguard) and Kevin Glvoer on that offensive line. Granted, most of the line was taken out do to the Lions curse (Mike Utley is all you really need to know). And the defensive line only had Robert Porcher. And the Lions massive downfall during the Millen regime? Weak offensive line. It's best to build the line, and to make sure you find pieces that fit into what you're running.

[afosomf]

Barry did quite well behind those bad lines!!

the lions had crap for QB that is why they never went

dancing!!

[stormshadow19]

Barry did quite well behind those bad lines!!

the lions had crap for QB that is why they never went

dancing!!

You really don't want to argue Lions with me. Trust me. It wasn't all the QB. They had some sh*tty defensive units. And the offensive line wasn't that good. It's not as if Scott Mitchell didn't have good offensive years, or anything.

[afosomf]

You really don't want to argue Lions with me. Trust me. It wasn't all the QB. They had some sh*tty defensive units. And the offensive line wasn't that good. It's not as if Scott Mitchell didn't have good offensive years, or anything.

Name me 1 good QB that played for Lions

Barry did fine behind those OL, even though they were not the best!!

Bush will do the same behind our OL, and we will draft at least 4 new OL.

[stormshadow19]

Name me 1 good QB that played for Lions

Barry did fine behind those OL, even though they were not the best!!

Bush will do the same behind our OL, and we will draft at least 4 new OL.

Scott Mitchell. He had a year where he passed for over 4,000 yards.

Anyway, my point is that one player doesn't make you a Super Bowl contender. Barry didn't do it for the Lions. Reggie won't do it for the Jets.

[afosomf]

Scott Mitchell. He had a year where he passed for over 4,000 yards.

Anyway, my point is that one player doesn't make you a Super Bowl contender. Barry didn't do it for the Lions. Reggie won't do it for the Jets.

Scott F'n Mitchell!!!! You are F'n kidding me ..right?

you proved my point!!!!!

[bitonti]

Note to Jets fans: The Jets have one of the worst Offensive Lines in the NFL.

the second Kevin Mawae returns they go from being horrible to decent. Just watch.

[PatsFanTX]

the second Kevin Mawae returns they go from being horrible to decent. Just watch.

Come on bit, you have to be kidding me.

Mawae is well past his prime and if the Jets count on him for next year, the same thing that happened to CuMar this year will happen to Mawae next year.

The guy is toast but yet the Jets keep rewarding players for what they have done in past rather than what they can do in the future.

Same old Jets.

[stormshadow19]

Scott F'n Mitchell!!!! You are F'n kidding me ..right?

you proved my point!!!!!

... you're an idiot

So... my FIRST hand experience, watching the Lions, is basically nothing, compared to what you heard and/or read? You're a dumbass. Plain and simple. One player doesn't not a champion make. Bush would be fine and dandy, but he won't win the Jets a championship. And, he'll cost too much money. Do you have common sense? Any at all? No? Didn't think so.

[afosomf]

... you're an idiot

So... my FIRST hand experience, watching the Lions, is basically nothing, compared to what you heard and/or read? You're a dumbass. Plain and simple. One player doesn't not a champion make. Bush would be fine and dandy, but he won't win the Jets a championship. And, he'll cost too much money. Do you have common sense? Any at all? No? Didn't think so.

Lighten up Francis!!!!!

Name one good starting QB that played for Lions while Barry was there!!

My second favorite team was Lions so bite me. Bush is the deal and you can't see sh8t from Chinola!

So spare me your arrogance......

[stormshadow19]

Lighten up Francis!!!!!

Name one good starting QB that played for Lions while Barry was there!!

My second favorite team was Lions so bite me. Bush is the deal and you can't see sh8t from Chinola!

So spare me your arrogance......

Lions? Second favorite team? Uh huh...

While Barry was there? Scott Mitchell! He wasn't as bad as everyone makes him out to be. Granted, they didn't have, say, a Hall of Famer, but they had Barry! Who didn't win a damn thing in his life.

Reggie Bush may become the greatest NFL player ever. Or, he could bust hard. What you're suggesting isn't practical. It's not arrogance. Which is what you spew every chance you get. It's practicality. That and it's a huge wet dream. Bush, as it stands, is a Left coast guy. And Alex Smith is his former high school buddy. Why wouldn't he want to go to the Niners? They have far more tradition than the Jets, to play devil's advocate. The Jets, a team in salary cap hell, should trade up, to the first spot, and give him a massive signing bonus? And, if you don't think they're going to ask for the sun and the moon, you're trippin. Don't you think Reggie Bush and his agents don't already know everything you know? And probably a fair bit more than you. Reggie Bush is a pipe dream. Deal with it.

[afosomf]

Lions? Second favorite team? Uh huh...

While Barry was there? Scott Mitchell! He wasn't as bad as everyone makes him out to be. Granted, they didn't have, say, a Hall of Famer, but they had Barry! Who didn't win a damn thing in his life.

Reggie Bush may become the greatest NFL player ever. Or, he could bust hard. What you're suggesting isn't practical. It's not arrogance. Which is what you spew every chance you get. It's practicality. That and it's a huge wet dream. Bush, as it stands, is a Left coast guy. And Alex Smith is his former high school buddy. Why wouldn't he want to go to the Niners? They have far more tradition than the Jets, to play devil's advocate. The Jets, a team in salary cap hell, should trade up, to the first spot, and give him a massive signing bonus? And, if you don't think they're going to ask for the sun and the moon, you're trippin. Don't you think Reggie Bush and his agents don't already know everything you know? And probably a fair bit more than you. Reggie Bush is a pipe dream. Deal with it.

Scott Mitchell was a POS QB, i dare you to find anyone else to agree with you.

Reggie Bush will make more coin in NY than SF, that's the fact jack! This team needs to rebuild, not reload. We take the cap hit next year, is that so hard to understand. We draft an entirely new OL and send to the scrap pile about 15 vets. This is what the titans did and what me must do.

By 2007 this team will be one to be reckoned with, as long as hermie and tb are long gone. I do not want TB involved with 2006 draft, after picking bush, the real work is needed to shore OL and DT and the future QB.

BTW Alex Smith is a POS QB and may end up being the biggest bust at the #1 pick ever!

[bitonti]

Come on bit, you have to be kidding me.

Mawae is well past his prime and if the Jets count on him for next year, the same thing that happened to CuMar this year will happen to Mawae next year.

The guy is toast but yet the Jets keep rewarding players for what they have done in past rather than what they can do in the future.

Same old Jets.

even Mawae "well past his prime" is still the best center in the league. He holds players accountable. He makes sure they know their assignments. He makes great blitz pickup calls. No he's not a spring chicken but he's essentially an OL coach on the field. Without him, they suck. With them, they are decent (note i said decent not amazing).

Tex you are piling on to what is a horrible season by the Jets, and even Jets fans right now are so down that they feel that even if the Jets had 10 first round picks they would still suck next year...

but mark my words if Chad is healthy we are talking about MNF game with the division at stake. It's just that simple. I hope you never have to sit through a season with Tom Brady on IR, even though you probably deserve that for cheerfully kicking a dog while he down for 10 weeks in a row.

[PatsFanTX]

even Mawae "well past his prime" is still the best center in the league. He holds players accountable. He makes sure they know their assignments. He makes great blitz pickup calls. No he's not a spring chicken but he's essentially an OL coach on the field. Without him, they suck. With them, they are decent (note i said decent not amazing).

Tex you are piling on to what is a horrible season by the Jets, and even Jets fans right now are so down that they feel that even if the Jets had 10 first round picks they would still suck next year...

but mark my words if Chad is healthy we are talking about MNF game with the division at stake. It's just that simple. I hope you never have to sit through a season with Tom Brady on IR, even though you probably deserve that for cheerfully kicking a dog while he down for 10 weeks in a row.

Again bit, you don't seem to be getting my point.

Mawae will be 35 years old next month and his better years are behind him. He actually played rather poorly this year before getting injured. How smart is it to move forward with a 35-year old center with declinning skills?

As for a healthy PennyBoy? Please. The Jets would have been lucky to be 8-8 let alone playing for the AFCE title.

[stormshadow19]

Scott Mitchell was a POS QB, i dare you to find anyone else to agree with you.

Reggie Bush will make more coin in NY than SF, that's the fact jack! This team needs to rebuild, not reload. We take the cap hit next year, is that so hard to understand. We draft an entirely new OL and send to the scrap pile about 15 vets. This is what the titans did and what me must do.

By 2007 this team will be one to be reckoned with, as long as hermie and tb are long gone. I do not want TB involved with 2006 draft, after picking bush, the real work is needed to shore OL and DT and the future QB.

BTW Alex Smith is a POS QB and may end up being the biggest bust at the #1 pick ever!

First of all, I don't care if anyone else agrees with me. I don't need my opinion validated, like you do.

And, do you understand how the salary cap works? Do you? If you think that the Jets are going to be able to cut 15 players, with those big contracts, you're an idiot. That's just not possible. Not with those cap hits.

And? Yes, Reggie would make more playing in NYC (New Jersey) than playing in San Fran. I don't think I was debating that. My point was that the Jets can't afford him, with the bonus he'll want. Actually, now that I think about it, it's debatable that he'll make more playing in NYC than San Fran. How so? Well, Los Angeles isn't that far away from the Bay. Lebron James makes a mint playing in freakin Cleveland! If they think you're that hot, they'll come to you. And, considering that Reggie Bush isn't your little secret, I'm sure everyone will be going to him.

Oh, and about the Titans. They didn't cut everyone. Most of the players were free agents. They just didn't resign them. The Jets don't have as many free agents with big contracts coming off. Think before you speak.

[LionelRichie]

As for a healthy PennyBoy? Please. The Jets would have been lucky to be 8-8 let alone playing for the AFCE title.

if chad was healthy the jets would have been in contention for the afce. healthy tx, not the crippled shell we saw on the field in preseason and the first 3 games this year. why he was out there at all is another conversation entirely, but i think bit's initial claim is pretty accurate.