khesanh Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 What would your draft look like if we were to trade Darrelle Revis and we got an extra 1st rounder this year and one next year? Would you package two first round picks next year for Clowney? 1st - Dion Jordan OLB - Oregon 1st -Tyler Eifert's TE - Notre Dame 2nd - Matt Elam SS - Florida 3rd - Brandon Williams NT - Missouri Southern 4th - Alvin Bailey OG - Arkansas 5th - Christine Michaels RB - TX A&M 6th - Onterio McCalebb KR - Auburn 7th - Chris Harper WR - K ST Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenseed4 Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 Nope. 2 first round picks for Teddy Bridgewater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 I buy Clowney more than I buy Bridgewater, but if Bridgewater separates himself then I go QB. I have two favorites for my first round pick this year - Cooper or Mingo. Some personal favorite non-first talents include Quinton Patton, Kevin Reddick, TJ McDonald, Christine Michael (I think he's going to interview himself into a late round steal for someone - he should go higher but he's kind of a dick), Nick Kasa, Reid Fragel, Rick Wagner, Brennan Williams (has the talent to be a 2-3 rounder but blew out his knee - legit long term RT potential), Denard Robinson, Stedman Bailey, Jonathan Franklin, Sylvester Williams (a very solid NT prospect and better than the overrated Brandon Williams), Aaron Mellette, Tavarres King, Sean Porter...While many heard once or twice that this draft sucks and decided to parrot it, it's actually an EXCELLENT opportunity to fix a major flaw in the recent Jet squads - quality depth. While not as big an issue as the low quality of QB play, alot of these guys can fit roles in the long and short as far as I'm concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 Clowney is good, but defensive end is not a need. They need a QB. Only way I see them taking a NT is if they cut Pouha. Don't see that happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 Also, no need to draft a guy to be the kick returner when they already have a good one. And I don't think they wait so long to address RB, depending on Free Agency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotcheryifyouCan Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 This is my first mock. let me know what you guys think. be gentle: 1st-Jarvis Jones- OLB UGA 2nd.-Jonathan Cooper-OG UNC 3rd.-Stephan Taylor-RB Stanford 4th-Kenny Stills-WR Oklahoma 5th-Micahel Williams-TE Alabama 6th-Corey Broomfield-FS Miss St 7th-I dont know best olb, oline, or wr available Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 This is my first mock. let me know what you guys think. be gentle: 1st-Jarvis Jones- OLB UGA 2nd.-Jonathan Cooper-OG UNC 3rd.-Stephan Taylor-RB Stanford 4th-Kenny Stills-WR Oklahoma 5th-Micahel Williams-TE Alabama 6th-Corey Broomfield-FS Miss St 7th-I dont know best olb, oline, or wr available Stepfan Taylor was awful at the combine. He's going to drop hard. No interest in him at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenseed4 Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 This is my first mock. let me know what you guys think. be gentle: 1st-Jarvis Jones- OLB UGA 2nd.-Jonathan Cooper-OG UNC 3rd.-Stephan Taylor-RB Stanford 4th-Kenny Stills-WR Oklahoma 5th-Micahel Williams-TE Alabama 6th-Corey Broomfield-FS Miss St 7th-I dont know best olb, oline, or wr available I think you have the right idea of where talent will match up best with round and need...but I think you'll need a couple minor tweaks. 1. Cooper is a top-15 talent; will likely be drafted in the first half of the first round. Larry Warford is a talented (second-tier) guy who will be available around our second pick. 2. Stepfan Taylor had a HORRIBLE combine. He was slow straight-line, he was slow change-of-direction, he had no burst, no jumps and small hands. Some have him falling to the 7th round! Which would answer your question there. I would like to find a RB in the 4th round though, it will just depend on how things shake out. I would love me some Lattimore (sit him on IR for a year) or some Kniles Davis (stock up on advil for him) or Jonathan Franklin. http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/42638/60/nfl-combine-fallers 3. I don't anything about your FS, but this is a year to get a decent one late in the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotcheryifyouCan Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 Stepfan Taylor was awful at the combine. He's going to drop hard. No interest in him at all. did not know that. good info I think you have the right idea of where talent will match up best with round and need...but I think you'll need a couple minor tweaks. 1. Cooper is a top-15 talent; will likely be drafted in the first half of the first round. Larry Warford is a talented (second-tier) guy who will be available around our second pick. 2. Stepfan Taylor had a HORRIBLE combine. He was slow straight-line, he was slow change-of-direction, he had no burst, no jumps and small hands. Some have him falling to the 7th round! Which would answer your question there. I would like to find a RB in the 4th round though, it will just depend on how things shake out. I would love me some Lattimore (sit him on IR for a year) or some Kniles Davis (stock up on advil for him) or Jonathan Franklin. http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/42638/60/nfl-combine-fallers 3. I don't anything about your FS, but this is a year to get a decent one late in the draft. thanks for the input you are probably right about cooper and warford. would not mind warford at all with the second pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotcheryifyouCan Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 I live in sc and have seen alot of lattimore. kids a stud. if we can get him in a later rounds it could be the steal of the draft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 This stuff is hard without seeing what happens in FA but right now, my draft would look like this. RD 1: Mingo or Jones RD 2: Warford or Cooper RD 3: Woods or Patton RD 4: Bray or Jones RD 5: Gilislee or Michael RD 6: Ford or Gragg RD 7: Nixon or Wagner Might be open to taking a TE over WR in the 3rd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenseed4 Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 This stuff is hard without seeing what happens in FA but right now, my draft would look like this. RD 1: Mingo or Jones RD 2: Warford or Cooper (I doubt Coop makes it to the 20s let alone out of the first round) RD 3: Woods or Patton RD 4: Bray or Jones (Neither. Next year is so rich in QBs, getting one this year would be silly. Double dip (Lattimore or Kniles Davis) RD 5: Gilislee or Michael He's a thug turd, but his numbers are out of this world. RD 6: Ford or Gragg (Meh. flip a coin, they're both a poor man's Dustin Keller...there's gotta be a bigger Celek type blocking/catching option) RD 7: Nixon or Wagner His program is a pipeline for good OL. Yours is for fast little guys, and good defenders. Might be open to taking a TE over WR in the 3rd. I'd be cool with this draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 1. Cordarelle Patterson 1. Zach Ertz 2. Ryan Nassib Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 This stuff is hard without seeing what happens in FA but right now, my draft would look like this. RD 1: Mingo or Jones RD 2: Warford or Cooper RD 3: Woods or Patton RD 4: Bray or Jones RD 5: Gilislee or Michael RD 6: Ford or Gragg RD 7: Nixon or Wagner Might be open to taking a TE over WR in the 3rd. This would be a home run if it were possible. Cooper is the second is a wet dream. I'm not even that opposed to Cooper at 9. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 I'd be cool with this draft. This would be a home run if it were possible. Cooper is the second is a wet dream. I'm not even that opposed to Cooper at 9. Coop is obviously wishful thinking but Warford should be seriously considered there. I'm in the camp of taking a flier on QB even though there is a better class next year just to see if you can strike gold in the mid rounds. I do keep forgetting about the new offense and the role of a TE in it. Probably would need to reconsider and find more of a blocking option. I went 2 guys who are more receiving oriented. These are hard without seeing FA and some pro days. But the positions addressed in that mock are the one's I want to see drafted. Who and when can change drastically in the next month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenseed4 Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 1. Cordarelle Patterson 1. Zach Ertz 2. Ryan Nassib 3-straight offense picks? How would you propose to address the OL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 3-straight offense picks? How would you propose to address the OL? there's nothing wrong with the OL. PFF had them rated 3rd overall last year. RFA sign howard, resign Moore, start Vlad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenseed4 Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 there's nothing wrong with the OL. PFF had them rated 3rd overall last year. RFA sign howard, resign Moore, start Vlad. Come on, Bit. I'm trying to connect with TOmShane; quit cock-blocking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 there's nothing wrong with the OL. PFF had them rated 3rd overall last year. RFA sign howard, resign Moore, start Vlad. Yes. Meh.. Hell no. Moore is aging quickly and if he comes back cheap, fine. Vlad is a career backup that you hope never has to start. You'll have to draft someone or sign Slauson. I'm not sure how much longer Moore has in him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenseed4 Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 Yes. Meh.. Hell no. Moore is aging quickly and if he comes back cheap, fine. Vlad is a career backup that you hope never has to start. You'll have to draft someone or sign Slauson. I'm not sure how much longer Moore has in him. Moore is only 32. You make it sound like he's getting a discount at IHOP. Perhaps he seems old because he hasn't missed a start in the last four seasons. He is solid, he's due some money...and I think we should give it to him. Oh yeah, PFF has him ranked as their #1 OG in free agency. https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/02/16/ranking-the-2013-free-agents-offensive-guards-and-centers/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 Moore is only 32. You make it sound like he's getting a discount at IHOP. Perhaps he seems old because he hasn't missed a start in the last four seasons. He is solid, he's due some money...and I think we should give it to him. Oh yeah, PFF has him ranked as their #1 OG in free agency. https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/02/16/ranking-the-2013-free-agents-offensive-guards-and-centers/ He'll be 33 when the season starts and more importantly, bad back/hip = old. Don't ask me how I know. If he is the #1 OG in FA more of the reason to let him go. You want to tank the season, let an all-time great corner go, but spend money on Brandon Moore? I would love to have him back, but like all the other vets - has to be cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenseed4 Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 He'll be 33 when the season starts and more importantly, bad back/hip = old. Don't ask me how I know. If he is the #1 OG in FA more of the reason to let him go. You want to tank the season, let an all-time great corner go, but spend money on Brandon Moore? I would love to have him back, but like all the other vets - has to be cheap. eh.... His last contract was 4 years for $16M. We could do a back-loaded 3 for $20M with $12M guaranteed, and he won't have to sell his house or relocate his family. As per his back & hip, it hasn't caused him to miss any starts...and he's been a top-10 OG for the last four years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 eh.... His last contract was 4 years for $16M. We could do a back-loaded 3 for $20M with $12M guaranteed, and he won't have to sell his house or relocate his family. As per his back & hip, it hasn't caused him to miss any starts...and he's been a top-10 OG for the last four years. You haven't noticed any depreciation in his play over the past couple of years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenseed4 Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 You haven't noticed any depreciation in his play over the past couple of years? Might be an optical illusion. Probably a function of who he's been playing next to. Since 2008, he has ranked 4th, 4th, 5th, 7th, and 3rd (last year) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 Might be an optical illusion. Probably a function of who he's been playing next to. Since 2008, he has ranked 4th, 4th, 5th, 7th, and 3rd (last year) Do not believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenseed4 Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 Do not believe. It's Right Guard for Chrissake!! All he has to do is give up less sacks than the other RG's in the league, and be a functional run-blocker. He doesn't get false-start penalties, I'm hard pressed to recall a time when he's been flagged for holding. He's a factor in the run-game, and he's never been the weak-link on this OL (save, for maybe 2009 when he was playing with 4 first round picks/ pro bowlers). He's not a flashy mauler, but he has been quietly solid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 1. Jonathan Cooper OG UNC 1. Tyler Eifert TE ND 2. Gio Bernard RB UNC 3. Robert Woods WR USC 4. Brandon Jenkins DE/OLB FSU 5. Shawn Williams S Georgia 6. DeVonte Holloman LB S. Carolina 7. Marc Jackson OG Glenville Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 It's Right Guard for Chrissake!! All he has to do is give up less sacks than the other RG's in the league, and be a functional run-blocker. He doesn't get false-start penalties, I'm hard pressed to recall a time when he's been flagged for holding. He's a factor in the run-game, and he's never been the weak-link on this OL (save, for maybe 2009 when he was playing with 4 first round picks/ pro bowlers). He's not a flashy mauler, but he has been quietly solid. Not sure why you are upset with me. I like Moore, but IMO he is not a MUST sign. Devito is the low level guy I think we will miss the most if he goes and I think that Keller and Landry are certainly higher up the list of guys we want back. If Moore is able to get himself a decent contract they will probably let him walk. I'd be happy to have him back, but I'm not sure I'm worried about being high bidder. As far as the importance of right guard, isn't this board considering two guys at 9 that are guards? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenseed4 Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 Not sure why you are upset with me. I like Moore, but IMO he is not a MUST sign. Devito is the low level guy I think we will miss the most if he goes and I think that Keller and Landry are certainly higher up the list of guys we want back. If Moore is able to get himself a decent contract they will probably let him walk. I'd be happy to have him back, but I'm not sure I'm worried about being high bidder. As far as the importance of right guard, isn't this board considering two guys at 9 that are guards? I'm not upset, brother. There is a great lil debate on PFF comparing both Moore and Devito. https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/02/25/free-agent-duel-moore-or-devito/ My main argument for Moore (not mentioned in the article) is keeping continuity on the OL. Geoff Swartz is a OG candidate we've been linked to, he actually ranks #3 on their list of FA OGs, and could be had for cheaper than Moore. But if it aint broke, and it doesn't break the bank--I think players like Moore are exactly the kind of guys we should be prioritizing for retention. Last year's #9 (Luke Kuechly) had a fully guaranteed contract of 4 years for $12.58M, so I could see why it might make sense to draft a replacement (though I always had Warmack or Cooper pegged as a LG). Personally, I would rather swing for the fences on a flashy player in the top-ten. WR or OLB, leaning toward the latter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 I'm not upset, brother. There is a great lil debate on PFF comparing both Moore and Devito. https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/02/25/free-agent-duel-moore-or-devito/ My main argument for Moore (not mentioned in the article) is keeping continuity on the OL. Geoff Swartz is a OG candidate we've been linked to, he actually ranks #3 on their list of FA OGs, and could be had for cheaper than Moore. But if it aint broke, and it doesn't break the bank--I think players like Moore are exactly the kind of guys we should be prioritizing for retention. Last year's #9 (Luke Kuechly) had a fully guaranteed contract of 4 years for $12.58M, so I could see why it might make sense to draft a replacement (though I always had Warmack or Cooper pegged as a LG). Personally, I would rather swing for the fences on a flashy player in the top-ten. WR or OLB, leaning toward the latter. No worries here. Generally I agree about continuity, but: 1. We are changing offensive coordinators again, so this is a good time for change. I'm not sure that what kind of scheme Mornhinweg plans to use. I know Sparano tried to use more man-to-man and less zone blocking, but I'm not sure what we are going to try now. I assume we are going to want faster guys because I am expecting more pulling and screens, but who the hell knows? If anybody does, please tell me. 2. It is broke. The OLine wasn't the problem, but the offense is broke, but more importantly, the bank is broke. They are in a financial mess and this is quite likely the place to save some dollars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenseed4 Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 In other news, I just became a huge fan of Barkevious Mingo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 Hey, Greenseed4. Hi there. Hey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jorge o8 Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 but i do like K. long in the 2nd,hope moore does come back Moore is only 32. You make it sound like he's getting a discount at IHOP. Perhaps he seems old because he hasn't missed a start in the last four seasons. He is solid, he's due some money...and I think we should give it to him. Oh yeah, PFF has him ranked as their #1 OG in free agency. https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/02/16/ranking-the-2013-free-agents-offensive-guards-and-centers/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenseed4 Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 Hey, Greenseed4. Hi there. Hey. omg. Hi T0mShane. (I took a screenshot of this) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jorge o8 Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 ok 1st jones OLB,2nd OG. K. Long,3rd WR,4th RB,5thOT,6th OLB,7th QB,Renfree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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