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you are right bleedin he doesn't make countless huge plays. He only makes a moderate number of game winning plays a season. Maybe they can put that on his bust. "made plays but not countless amounts" 

 

It's a true statement THO. Pass rushers make infinity plays and all of them are game changing. QBs even more so times like infinity. 

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When I think of Revis I think of the pick he made against Romo to beat the cowboys on 9-11. The 100 yard  pick-6 he made against Miami during monday night football. the pick 6 against carolina.

 

Big plays. That's what wins games.

 

When people say revis doesn't win games, that goes against my memory of Revis.

 

You guys maybe remember his hold outs when we talk about Revis. And I will grant that offseason Revis is a PITA.

 

But make no mistake when he's on the field he wins games. 

 

That big play interception in the Dallas game was on Romo, not Revis.  Romo threw it right at #24, underthrowing Bryant by about 6 yards on a relatively short pass.  Drew Coleman would have had little difficulty making the same exact play.  And besides, the playmaking play was from McKnight, not Revis.

 

But that's beside the point.  The guy's great and no one is disputing that.  He's the best I've ever seen but he doesn't win games on his own; that's silly.  McKnight and Romo are the reasons we won the Dallas game.  Matt Moore and Jake Delhomme being terrible QBs are the reasons we won the other two.  The road to the SB does not go through has-been Jake Delhommes and never-gonna-be Matt Moores.

 

In the AFCCG Peyton Manning - everyone's favorite post-season punching bag - showed us the value of a single shutdown corner.  Revis shut down Reggie Wayne and Manning still had almost 400 yards and 3 TDs (no picks). He'll stop a great WR, but he won't stop a great QB.  The latter takes a lot more than even the game's premiere cover corner.

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Jets defensive turnovers last year without Revis: 18th

 

Average position with Revis '08-'11: 6-7th

 

Interesting you left out 2007.  Didn't feel like including the fact that the Jets were 31st that year, huh?  Another interesting fact is that the 2010 ranking that's in there includes a grand total of zero turnovers forced by Revis (none in the playoffs either).  So curious how none of these issues seemed to plague the Jets that year when without Revis during 3+ games and having him out of shape and certainly not performing at his level for a few more on top of that.

 

To think, all of that isn't even getting into the fact that you're actually trying to credit Revis for all of the plays made by his teammates in those years, which is completely absurd and absolutely baseless.

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That big play interception in the Dallas game was on Romo, not Revis.  Romo threw it right at #24, underthrowing Bryant by about 6 yards on a relatively short pass.  Drew Coleman would have had little difficulty making the same exact play.  And besides, the playmaking play was from McKnight, not Revis.

 

But that's beside the point.  The guy's great and no one is disputing that.  He's the best I've ever seen but he doesn't win games on his own; that's silly.  McKnight and Romo are the reasons we won the Dallas game.  Matt Moore and Jake Delhomme being terrible QBs are the reasons we won the other two.  The road to the SB does not go through has-been Jake Delhommes and never-gonna-be Matt Moores.

 

In the AFCCG Peyton Manning - everyone's favorite post-season punching bag - showed us the value of a single shutdown corner.  Revis shut down Reggie Wayne and Manning still had almost 400 yards and 3 TDs (no picks). He'll stop a great WR, but he won't stop a great QB.  The latter takes a lot more than even the game's premiere cover corner.

 

Don't bother, they've both moved back into full-on straw man mode.  Be prepared to have your post chopped down to one sentence that will be followed up with some asinine response that has nothing to do with your point, and argues a position that has never once been made by you or anyone else, which bit and Gato will ultimately be convinced proves every single person who has ever disagreed with them about Revis wrong.

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Don't bother, they've both moved back into full-on straw man mode.  Be prepared to have your post chopped down to one sentence that will be followed up with some asinine response that has nothing to do with your point, and argues a position that has never once been made by you or anyone else, which bit and Gato will ultimately be convinced proves every single person who has ever disagreed with them about Revis wrong.

 

how does it feel to root for an already decimated team to trade it's best player? What's next? Burning down florham park and salting the Earth? 

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how does it feel to root for an already decimated team to trade it's best player? What's next? Burning down florham park and salting the Earth? 

 

How does it feel to root for an already decimated team to cripple its foreseeable future and destroy its salary cap for one injured player with a poor attitude who has already shown an inability to lead the Jets' to a championship for 6 years?

 

 

See, it's not that hard, anyone can do it.

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"Destroy" its salary cap is message board soap fan dramatization. It is a nonsense claim in the actual situation the Jets are in rather than the theoretical situation they should be in. None of you can can name this QB or pass rusher that "should" take up cap space.

Great teams do not trade great players in their prime.

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Jets defensive turnovers last year without Revis: 18th

 

Average position with Revis '08-'11: 6-7th

 

 The Jets in 2012 without Revis 6-10.

The Jets in 2011 with Revis 8-8.     

 

 Not exactly that big of a difference regardless of the stats you bring up.     

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That big play interception in the Dallas game was on Romo, not Revis.  Romo threw it right at #24, underthrowing Bryant by about 6 yards on a relatively short pass.  Drew Coleman would have had little difficulty making the same exact play.  And besides, the playmaking play was from McKnight, not Revis.

 

But that's beside the point.  The guy's great and no one is disputing that.  He's the best I've ever seen but he doesn't win games on his own; that's silly.  McKnight and Romo are the reasons we won the Dallas game.  Matt Moore and Jake Delhomme being terrible QBs are the reasons we won the other two.  The road to the SB does not go through has-been Jake Delhommes and never-gonna-be Matt Moores.

 

In the AFCCG Peyton Manning - everyone's favorite post-season punching bag - showed us the value of a single shutdown corner.  Revis shut down Reggie Wayne and Manning still had almost 400 yards and 3 TDs (no picks). He'll stop a great WR, but he won't stop a great QB.  The latter takes a lot more than even the game's premiere cover corner.

 

  People seem to forget that the Jets have been terrible against the Pats, even with Revis.    (4-8 with Revis,  0-2 without).. 

In 2011, the Pats and Brady scored 30 and 37 points. Both losses for the Jets.    Games like that kind of show you that as great as Revis is, good teams could care less that he's on the field.  They'll just dump off the ball, find a TE or find another receiver.  You know what most good NFL QBs normally do.  

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pedro55, on 14 Apr 2013 - 03:56, said:

People seem to forget that the Jets have been terrible against the Pats, even with Revis. (4-8 with Revis, 0-2 without)..

In 2011, the Pats and Brady scored 30 and 37 points. Both losses for the Jets. Games like that kind of show you that as great as Revis is, good teams could care less that he's on the field. They'll just dump off the ball, find a TE or find another receiver. You know what most good NFL QBs normally do.

And truthfully, of the 2 games without Revis, we'd have won if Hill could catch a ball that Sanchez actually threw perfectly for a change. Had nothing to do with Revis.

Those games in 2011 were with Revis AND Cromartie, which is not sustainable long-term anyway.

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People seem to forget that the Jets have been terrible against the Pats, even with Revis. (4-8 with Revis, 0-2 without)..

In 2011, the Pats and Brady scored 30 and 37 points. Both losses for the Jets. Games like that kind of show you that as great as Revis is, good teams could care less that he's on the field. They'll just dump off the ball, find a TE or find another receiver. You know what most good NFL QBs normally do.

1) The Jets have played the Pats as well as anyone but the Giants in the league, and they don't see the Pats nearly as much as true Jets. Nobody has a .500+ record against the Pats, especially over that large a sample.

2) Teams score against Ware, Allen, Hali, Peppers, Mario, JPP, and so on. Temas just shouldn't invest in defense since offenses score.anyway. There's no point so.just have all the QBs, WRs, TEs, RBs, and OL that the cap can allow.

You've convinced yourself and are working after the fact to come up with anything, no matter how shallow, to allow yourself to.think that way. Fine, but not as stone right as you might like to think.

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1) The Jets have played the Pats as well as anyone but the Giants in the league, and they don't see the Pats nearly as much as true Jets. Nobody has a .500+ record against the Pats, especially over that large a sample.

 

Since Rex got here, we're 3-6 against the Pats, with a negative point differential of 9.5 PPG.

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1) The Jets have played the Pats as well as anyone but the Giants in the league, and they don't see the Pats nearly as much as true Jets. Nobody has a .500+ record against the Pats, especially over that large a sample.

2) Teams score against Ware, Allen, Hali, Peppers, Mario, JPP, and so on. Temas just shouldn't invest in defense since offenses score.anyway. There's no point so.just have all the QBs, WRs, TEs, RBs, and OL that the cap can allow.

You've convinced yourself and are working after the fact to come up with anything, no matter how shallow, to allow yourself to.think that way. Fine, but not as stone right as you might like to think.

 

What he's alluding to is that the "secret" to beating the Patriots is not by shutting down their best WR, which Revis is capable of doing like few others (if any).  You beat the Patriots by scoring dozens of points or by getting heavy pressure on Brady. You're not going to just put their top WR on Revis Island and chalk up your victory.  Nor is that the way you beat the Packers, Broncos, 49ers, Falcons, Saints, Steelers, etc. when they are the top teams.  You can beat the Lions, Cardinals, Panthers, Bears, and other one-receiving-weapon teams in that fashion, since they don't have enough other weapons if you shut down their stud WR.

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Without Revis, they'd be 2-7. So there.

 

I assume our Playing the Pats Better Than Anyone But The Giants trophy is on the same shelf as our Back-To-Back AFC Championship Game Participant trophy and our two dozen Sanchez Played Well Enough To Win Today trophies.

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I assume our Playing the Pats Better Than Anyone But The Giants trophy is on the same shelf as our Back-To-Back AFC Championship Game Participant trophy and our two dozen Sanchez Played Well Enough To Win Today trophies.

You forgot the Sure He Drafted Gholston But He Drafted Revis Too plaque.

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