KINGDIRK Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 NO, I would have waited for the season to begin in which case it gives Revis a chance to be back to his oldself. All teams will see that and will become a lot more interested. Then you look to trade him before the Trade deadline and have an out bidding war for him. That strategy would have def netted 2 1st rounders Teams do NOT give up multiple first rounders just for the right to sign a CB to a 16M/year contract. You clearly have no understanding of how the NFL works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 NO, I would have waited for the season to begin in which case it gives Revis a chance to be back to his oldself. All teams will see that and will become a lot more interested. Then you look to trade him before the Trade deadline and have an out bidding war for him. That strategy would have def netted 2 1st rounders What team is going to be at week 6 with the cap space to add a 16M player? The mid-season trade was never going to work for that reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 Yeah but this is all they could get. They could have waited even after the draft or start of training camp or trading deadline. Because if Revis shut down one good WR there would have been more interest and better compensation. I understand at the end there is possibility of not getting anything but thats what one has to be willing to accept if they want to get the best deal. The JETS are getting the short straw in this deal. There is no denying that. I guess the "No, not again we got screwed" part of it upsets me. You're already contradicting yourself. A minute ago you were whining about next year's draft picks not counting as much while in the next breath you're saying the Jets should have held out longer in order to get ONLY picks that were for next year in beyond, in some sort of desperate hope that some team would randomly be compelled to give even more than that for Revis during the season (the kind of trade which simply never happens) despite him getting closer and closer to being on the open market and being a late addition to the roster. If anything, the value was only going down from here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 At what point should we stop being fans? This team isn't even playing and I want to throw sh*t at my television. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 No team goes into a season with a free $16 mil lying around to trade for a CB. Ninja'd me, jerk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted April 21, 2013 Author Share Posted April 21, 2013 NO, I would have waited for the season to begin in which case it gives Revis a chance to be back to his oldself. All teams will see that and will become a lot more interested. Then you look to trade him before the Trade deadline and have an out bidding war for him. That strategy would have def netted 2 1st rounders Except that is untrue. You assume there is some long list of teams that was willing to pay Revis $16M/year and give up 2 1st rounders for that privilege. Not only is that far from a "def would have" situation, it is super-unlikely. No one wants to give up two dirt-cheap (now that they're all slotted) 1st round draft picks in a flat cap for a single CB. One team expressed serious interest in 2 months of shopping him. One. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsJETStime Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 No team goes into a season with a free $16 mil lying around to trade for a CB. Thats True But There are ways to restructure contracts and make room Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KINGDIRK Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 I am bummed at this point. Gotta get a drink. And i do not drink during the day. My point was: They could have waited even after the draft or start of training camp or trading deadline. Because if Revis shut down one good WR there would have been more interest and better compensation. I understand at the end there is possibility of not getting anything but thats what one has to be willing to accept if they want to get the best deal. And if Revis had any type of setback (even a small one)? Then what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanInDenver Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 No team goes into a season with a free $16 mil lying around to trade for a CB. JETS just got rammed in the ass with a super sized cattle prod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 Prepare for mediocre football in 2013. The price we all pay for psls,tickets,parking and concessions wont be worth it in 2013. Sign me up for mediocre football! With or without Revis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 NO, I would have waited for the season to begin in which case it gives Revis a chance to be back to his oldself. All teams will see that and will become a lot more interested. Then you look to trade him before the Trade deadline and have an out bidding war for him. That strategy would have def netted 2 1st rounders No, it absolutely would not have. Teams don't give up 2 first rounders to have a guy join them mid-season, especially when he's a couple of months away from becoming a free agent. It has literally never happened in the history of the NFL, and this case would be no different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 At what point should we stop being fans? This team isn't even playing and I want to throw sh*t at my television. I am bummed at this point. Gotta get a drink. And i do not drink during the day. My point was: They could have waited even after the draft or start of training camp or trading deadline. Because if Revis shut down one good WR there would have been more interest and better compensation. I understand at the end there is possibility of not getting anything but thats what one has to be willing to accept if they want to get the best deal. Agree on all of the above. Im beside myself tonight and ive been through a lot with this organization over the years. DAMMIT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 Ninja'd me, jerk. <3 you, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 To me this looks like a one year deal in which the Bucs and Revis go back to the table next year should Revis show up and play well. I wouldn't be surprised if Revis is cut and then immediately resigned to avoid the 3rd round pick either... But, that's just me. I wondered that myself, but there's probably no player in the league who you could trust less than Revis with that kind of move. If there's a team out there willing to pay him one penny more than the Bucs, he would bolt in a heartbeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted April 21, 2013 Author Share Posted April 21, 2013 Thats True But There are ways to restructure contracts and make room We've done that plenty. Which is why if we did this he'd cost the Jets $19M/year on average. Any year we creatively make it $4M less (only $15M) must be offset by a year where he costs $4M more ($23M). For a friggin' cornerback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanInDenver Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 You're already contradicting yourself. A minute ago you were whining about next year's draft picks not counting as much while in the next breath you're saying the Jets should have held out longer in order to get ONLY picks that were for next year in beyond, in some sort of desperate hope that some team would randomly be compelled to give even more than that for Revis during the season (the kind of trade which simply never happens) despite him getting closer and closer to being on the open market and being a late addition to the roster. If anything, the value was only going down from here. Those are all various options. There was a post discussing various options. I added to that. But teams have done better from the same position JETS did not. Thats the bottomline. We got screwed. How long do we have to accept getting the short end of the trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vudu Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 I don't get it he's worth at least 1 and a 2. I fcked pick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 A conditional fourth? No guaranteed money? That means that knee isn't right, IMO. One can speculate... Great deal for a player who was going to walk away next year Ultimately, yeah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted April 21, 2013 Author Share Posted April 21, 2013 No, it absolutely would not have. Teams don't give up 2 first rounders to have a guy join them mid-season, especially when he's a couple of months away from becoming a free agent. It has literally never happened in the history of the NFL, and this case would be no different. But if someone wishes it to happen in a dream scenario, it means it definitely would have happened now that we've made the trade today. No need to be proven wrong. Wrong, like the people who said Revis wasn't really looking for $16M/year, every year, in new money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 Except that is untrue. You assume there is some long list of teams that was willing to pay Revis $16M/year and give up 2 1st rounders for that privilege. Not only is that far from a "def would have" situation, it is super-unlikely. No one wants to give up two dirt-cheap (now that they're all slotted) 1st round draft picks in a flat cap for a single CB. One team expressed serious interest in 2 months of shopping him. One. What makes it even better is using the "future years' draft picks count for less" theory, two first rounders (which the Jets would never get) would still net out to less value than what the Jets got, as they would have to be 2014 and 2015 picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted April 21, 2013 Author Share Posted April 21, 2013 Those are all various options. There was a post discussing various options. I added to that. But teams have done better from the same position JETS did not. Thats the bottomline. We got screwed. How long do we have to accept getting the short end of the trade. Teams usually do much worse for high-end/crazy-dollar players like Revis. They hold onto their player and thumb their nose at these reasonable offers and in the end they get nothing except a future compensatory pick (which disappears if they sign another player anyway). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stugotz81 Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 this whole thing is just complete crap in every way. Now I know what it feels like to be a Mets fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbanmadmike1 Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 this whole thing is just complete crap in every way. Now I know what it feels like to be a Mets fan. At least they have Matt Harvey... The jets have nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 Based on this "haul", there is no way they trade for Ivory now. Not enough picks to justify that now. Can find a comparable back in the same round we'd likely be trading him for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 Psls and tickets just lost value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 Oh, and for those who keep saying Revis' trade value was more than this, 32 NFL teams disagree with you. Interestingly enough, it would seem that 31 teams would disagree he's worth even as much as the Jets got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonehands Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 He's getting exactly twice what Cromartie makes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbanmadmike1 Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 Based on this "haul", there is no way they trade for Ivory now. Not enough picks to justify that now. Can find a comparable back in the same round we'd likely be trading him for. I would still trade a 5 for him. The chances of getting a back as good as he is in the 5th are low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 Psls and tickets just lost value. Just... lol. Tinfoil hats in your "mancave", it seems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 Original offer was what? 2014 first (which is equal to a second this year), and a 2013 third and fifth? So we got them to swap the value of a 2nd and 3rd for #13 overall, and pushed the 5th this year to a 4th next, which is equal value, but it can escalate. I'd say Idzik did an awesome job holding out for more getting the #13, instead of basically a 2nd and 3rd. If Idzik nw takes that #13 or the #9 and turns it into multiple1st rounders, and maybe adds some 2nd or 3rd rounders, we are good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbanmadmike1 Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 Psls and tickets just lost value. They had minimal value even with Revis here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 Oh, and for those who keep saying Revis' trade value was more than this, 32 NFL teams disagree with you. Interestingly enough, it would seem that 31 teams would disagree he's worth even as much as the Jets got. The Eagles had tons of cap space and could have had Revis for the 4th pick. No interest, apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 Oh, and for those who keep saying Revis' trade value was more than this, 32 NFL teams disagree with you. Interestingly enough, it would seem that 31 teams would disagree he's worth even as much as the Jets got. Idzik got more value than the original offer. He did well, IMO. Veteran players don't usually fetch 1st round picks, especially not 1st inside top 15, with extra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted April 21, 2013 Author Share Posted April 21, 2013 What makes it even better is using the "future years' draft picks count for less" theory, two first rounders (which the Jets would never get) would still net out to less value than what the Jets got, as they would have to be 2014 and 2015 picks. 2014 1st rounder = 2013 2nd rounder today 2015 1st rounder = 2013 3rd rounder today 2013 1st rounder + 2014 4th (or 3rd) rounder > 2013 2nd rounder + 2013 3rd rounder People need to get it out of their minds that there are multiple NFL teams willing to spend two 1st round picks (or more) for a CB who wants to be the highest-paid at his position every single year. It took two months of playing hardball just to get one team to offer a mid-first rounder this year, in a weak 1st round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stugotz81 Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 What was our offer to him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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