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NO, I would have waited for the season to begin in which case it gives Revis a chance to be back to his oldself. All teams will see that and will become a lot more interested. Then you look to trade him before the Trade deadline and have an out bidding war for him. That strategy would have def netted 2 1st rounders

Teams do NOT give up multiple first rounders just for the right to sign a CB to a 16M/year contract.

You clearly have no understanding of how the NFL works. 

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NO, I would have waited for the season to begin in which case it gives Revis a chance to be back to his oldself. All teams will see that and will become a lot more interested. Then you look to trade him before the Trade deadline and have an out bidding war for him. That strategy would have def netted 2 1st rounders

 

What team is going to be at week 6 with the cap space to add a 16M player?

 

The mid-season trade was never going to work for that reason.

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Yeah but this is all they could get. They could have waited even after the draft or start of training camp or trading deadline. Because if Revis shut down one good WR there would have been more interest and better compensation.

 

I understand at the end there is possibility of not getting anything but thats what one has to be willing to accept if they want to get the best deal.

 

The JETS are getting the short straw in this deal. There is no denying that. I guess the "No, not again we got screwed" part of it upsets me.

 

You're already contradicting yourself.  A minute ago you were whining about next year's draft picks not counting as much while in the next breath you're saying the Jets should have held out longer in order to get ONLY picks that were for next year in beyond, in some sort of desperate hope that some team would randomly be compelled to give even more than that for Revis during the season (the kind of trade which simply never happens) despite him getting closer and closer to being on the open market and being a late addition to the roster.  If anything, the value was only going down from here.

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NO, I would have waited for the season to begin in which case it gives Revis a chance to be back to his oldself. All teams will see that and will become a lot more interested. Then you look to trade him before the Trade deadline and have an out bidding war for him. That strategy would have def netted 2 1st rounders

 

Except that is untrue.  You assume there is some long list of teams that was willing to pay Revis $16M/year and give up 2 1st rounders for that privilege.  Not only is that far from a "def would have" situation, it is super-unlikely.

 

No one wants to give up two dirt-cheap (now that they're all slotted) 1st round draft picks in a flat cap for a single CB.

 

One team expressed serious interest in 2 months of shopping him.  One.

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I am bummed at this point. Gotta get a drink. And i do not drink during the day.

 

My point was:

 

They could have waited even after the draft or start of training camp or trading deadline. Because if Revis shut down one good WR there would have been more interest and better compensation.

 

I understand at the end there is possibility of not getting anything but thats what one has to be willing to accept if they want to get the best deal.

And if Revis had any type of setback (even a small one)? Then what? 

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NO, I would have waited for the season to begin in which case it gives Revis a chance to be back to his oldself. All teams will see that and will become a lot more interested. Then you look to trade him before the Trade deadline and have an out bidding war for him. That strategy would have def netted 2 1st rounders

 

No, it absolutely would not have.  Teams don't give up 2 first rounders to have a guy join them mid-season, especially when he's a couple of months away from becoming a free agent.  It has literally never happened in the history of the NFL, and this case would be no different.

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At what point should we stop being fans? This team isn't even playing and I want to throw sh*t at my television.

 

I am bummed at this point. Gotta get a drink. And i do not drink during the day.

 

My point was:

 

They could have waited even after the draft or start of training camp or trading deadline. Because if Revis shut down one good WR there would have been more interest and better compensation.

 

I understand at the end there is possibility of not getting anything but thats what one has to be willing to accept if they want to get the best deal.

Agree on all of the above. Im beside myself tonight and ive been through a lot with this organization over the years. DAMMIT

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To me this looks like a one year deal in which the Bucs and Revis go back to the table next year should Revis show up and play well.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if Revis is cut and then immediately resigned to avoid the 3rd round pick either... But, that's just me.

 

I wondered that myself, but there's probably no player in the league who you could trust less than Revis with that kind of move.  If there's a team out there willing to pay him one penny more than the Bucs, he would bolt in a heartbeat.

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Thats True But There are ways to restructure contracts and make room

 

We've done that plenty.  Which is why if we did this he'd cost the Jets $19M/year on average.  Any year we creatively make it $4M less (only $15M) must be offset by a year where he costs $4M more ($23M).  For a friggin' cornerback.

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You're already contradicting yourself.  A minute ago you were whining about next year's draft picks not counting as much while in the next breath you're saying the Jets should have held out longer in order to get ONLY picks that were for next year in beyond, in some sort of desperate hope that some team would randomly be compelled to give even more than that for Revis during the season (the kind of trade which simply never happens) despite him getting closer and closer to being on the open market and being a late addition to the roster.  If anything, the value was only going down from here.

 

Those are all various options. There was a post discussing various options. I added to that.

 

But teams have done better from the same position JETS did not. Thats the bottomline. We got screwed. How long do we have to accept getting the short end of the trade.

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No, it absolutely would not have.  Teams don't give up 2 first rounders to have a guy join them mid-season, especially when he's a couple of months away from becoming a free agent.  It has literally never happened in the history of the NFL, and this case would be no different.

 

But if someone wishes it to happen in a dream scenario, it means it definitely would have happened now that we've made the trade today.  No need to be proven wrong.  Wrong, like the people who said Revis wasn't really looking for $16M/year, every year, in new money.

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Except that is untrue.  You assume there is some long list of teams that was willing to pay Revis $16M/year and give up 2 1st rounders for that privilege.  Not only is that far from a "def would have" situation, it is super-unlikely.

 

No one wants to give up two dirt-cheap (now that they're all slotted) 1st round draft picks in a flat cap for a single CB.

 

One team expressed serious interest in 2 months of shopping him.  One.

 

What makes it even better is using the "future years' draft picks count for less" theory, two first rounders (which the Jets would never get) would still net out to less value than what the Jets got, as they would have to be 2014 and 2015 picks.

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Those are all various options. There was a post discussing various options. I added to that.

 

But teams have done better from the same position JETS did not. Thats the bottomline. We got screwed. How long do we have to accept getting the short end of the trade.

 

Teams usually do much worse for high-end/crazy-dollar players like Revis.  They hold onto their player and thumb their nose at these reasonable offers and in the end they get nothing except a future compensatory pick (which disappears if they sign another player anyway).

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Original offer was what? 2014 first (which is equal to a second this year), and a 2013 third and fifth?

So we got them to swap the value of a 2nd and 3rd for #13 overall, and pushed the 5th this year to a 4th next, which is equal value, but it can escalate. I'd say Idzik did an awesome job holding out for more getting the #13, instead of basically a 2nd and 3rd.

If Idzik nw takes that #13 or the #9 and turns it into multiple1st rounders, and maybe adds some 2nd or 3rd rounders, we are good.

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Oh, and for those who keep saying Revis' trade value was more than this, 32 NFL teams disagree with you. Interestingly enough, it would seem that 31 teams would disagree he's worth even as much as the Jets got.

The Eagles had tons of cap space and could have had Revis for the 4th pick. No interest, apparently.

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Oh, and for those who keep saying Revis' trade value was more than this, 32 NFL teams disagree with you.  Interestingly enough, it would seem that 31 teams would disagree he's worth even as much as the Jets got.

Idzik got more value than the original offer. He did well, IMO.

Veteran players don't usually fetch 1st round picks, especially not 1st inside top 15, with extra.

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What makes it even better is using the "future years' draft picks count for less" theory, two first rounders (which the Jets would never get) would still net out to less value than what the Jets got, as they would have to be 2014 and 2015 picks.

2014 1st rounder = 2013 2nd rounder today

2015 1st rounder = 2013 3rd rounder today

 

2013 1st rounder + 2014 4th (or 3rd) rounder > 2013 2nd rounder + 2013 3rd rounder

 

 

People need to get it out of their minds that there are multiple NFL teams willing to spend two 1st round picks (or more) for a CB who wants to be the highest-paid at his position every single year.  It took two months of playing hardball just to get one team to offer a mid-first rounder this year, in a weak 1st round.

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