Sperm Edwards Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 Can someone explain to me how competition will actually make Sanchez better after the ball is snapped? The only way Rex could justify that opinion is if Sanchez was relatively lazy and didn't try hard enough before this competition arrived. Competition isn't going to make him suddenly know what to do in the pocket in a live game when his top target isn't open. Getting pushed due to competition I can see if it's a strength or endurance thing, where a player reaches deep down for extra umph like throwing up that last rep in the gym or going all-out on the field instead of dogging it or just going through the motions. But QB isn't a position where one gets better by exerting oneself more. What a stupid thing to think otherwise. If Sanchez does noticeably improve it means experience is starting to kick in, since physically he can make every throw even if he typically has not done it. But a 5th year QB getting better because of competition? Worse still, since it's coming from Rex, this insinuates all sorts of past poor character traits from Sanchez's most public supporter. What QB who was previously Sanchez-level bad for 4 full seasons as a starter, then suddenly improved into being a good QB because of competition that had never been there before? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatriotReign37 Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 Rex blathering about his team is about as surprising as one of us stealing food off a family members plate. Like fighting over the last chicken wing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 Big story here, Rex talking up a player on his team. Wow, like, stop the presses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizard King Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 Article knocks Mark, but they chose a picture from when Mark tied the franchise scoring record for points scored in a home opener. ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 Big story here, Rex talking up a player on his team. Wow, like, stop the presses. No one man should have all this power! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetFaninMI Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 Come on guys this Sanchez kid sound's like He could use a break................Start with his leg's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 Can someone explain to me how competition will actually make Sanchez better after the ball is snapped? The only way Rex could justify that opinion is if Sanchez was relatively lazy and didn't try hard enough before this competition arrived. Competition isn't going to make him suddenly know what to do in the pocket in a live game when his top target isn't open. Getting pushed due to competition I can see if it's a strength or endurance thing, where a player reaches deep down for extra umph like throwing up that last rep in the gym or going all-out on the field instead of dogging it or just going through the motions. But QB isn't a position where one gets better by exerting oneself more. What a stupid thing to think otherwise. If Sanchez does noticeably improve it means experience is starting to kick in, since physically he can make every throw even if he typically has not done it. But a 5th year QB getting better because of competition? Worse still, since it's coming from Rex, this insinuates all sorts of past poor character traits from Sanchez's most public supporter. What QB who was previously Sanchez-level bad for 4 full seasons as a starter, then suddenly improved into being a good QB because of competition that had never been there before? Would it had been better had Rex said our WR's were a MASH unit last year and Tony Sparano sucked as an OC? I'm sure that's what he truly believes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 Jason Hill, Mardy Gilyard, Clyde Gates, Konrad Reuland, and Hayden Smith were major weapons in last years arsenal. Let that sink in for a minute. I don't want to hear that crap about RG3's lack of weapons... At least he had a full camp and preseason with the same guys. Mark and co. had a revolving door of sh*tty options. It was a disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 Rex Ryan giving commentary about quarterbacks is especially comical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 Rex Ryan giving commentary about quarterbacks is especially comical. almost as comical as you giving commentary about Rex Ryan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted May 2, 2013 Author Share Posted May 2, 2013 Of course it was Pac. But even if we get the absolute best possible Mark Sanchez, what would that look like? He's been a bottom 5 QB statistically. I don't see how even the "best Mark Sanchez" could even beat out David Garrard, a 9-year veteran who's been to a Pro Bowl. Jason Hill, Mardy Gilyard, Clyde Gates, Konrad Reuland, and Hayden Smith were major weapons in last years arsenal. Let that sink in for a minute. I don't want to hear that crap about RG3's lack of weapons... At least he had a full camp and preseason with the same guys. Mark and co. had a revolving door of sh*tty options. It was a disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 almost as comical as you giving commentary about Rex Ryan. Well, his record is easy to see-in DECLINE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JADEDGREEN Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 Does this mean we will be wearing those ugly Titans unis again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 Of course it was Pac. But even if we get the absolute best possible Mark Sanchez, what would that look like? He's been a bottom 5 QB statistically. I don't see how even the "best Mark Sanchez" could even beat out David Garrard, a 9-year veteran who's been to a Pro Bowl. He can if the franchise wants a top 3 pick in next years draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 Would it had been better had Rex said our WR's were a MASH unit last year and Tony Sparano sucked as an OC? I'm sure that's what he truly believes. Certainly Sanchez - should he win the starting job and remain on the roster - should look better than he did in 2012 for the reasons you mentioned. But that isn't what Rex boasted. He boasted this will be the best that Sanchez has ever been. Also it should be of note that even if this prediction comes true, it still wouldn't make Sanchez a good QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 Of course it was Pac. But even if we get the absolute best possible Mark Sanchez, what would that look like? He's been a bottom 5 QB statistically. I don't see how even the "best Mark Sanchez" could even beat out David Garrard, a 9-year veteran who's been to a Pro Bowl. The best Mark Sanchez would look like a guy who can go into Indy and NE on consecutive weeks and beat Manning and Brady. That's quite a bit more than Garrard has accomplished. That being said that Mark may never come back... in which case I'd be fine with Garrard winning the competition and mentoring Geno. Don't really see the point of keeping Mark on the roster if he can't beat Garrard. If the unthinkable happens and Garrard and Geno get hurt, you turn it over to McElroy and watch it burn to the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 Oh great. Here we go! Sanchez is going to have a breakout year, and then holdout next season because Rex Ryan is talking him up. That F'ing guy, boyitellya! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 Certainly Sanchez - should he win the starting job and remain on the roster - should look better than he did in 2012 for the reasons you mentioned. But that isn't what Rex boasted. He boasted this will be the best that Sanchez has ever been. Also it should be of note that even if this prediction comes true, it still wouldn't make Sanchez a good QB. Playoff Mark is quite good. Regular season Mark was a train wreck last year due to lack of organizational stability, poor decision making, and an O-line coach trying to play OC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 The best Mark Sanchez would look like a guy who can go into Indy and NE on consecutive weeks and beat Manning and Brady. That's quite a bit more than Garrard has accomplished. So riding the coat tails of a top 3 defense is more impressive than making a pro bowl in your disgusting little world? Uhhh ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 Technically speaking, Mark would have far fewer turnovers if he spends the season on the bench. HIDDEN MEANING!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 Playoff Mark is quite good. Regular season Mark was a train wreck last year due to lack of organizational stability, poor decision making, and an O-line coach trying to play OC. Look at you go... you seem to enjoy fapping into your own face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 So riding the coat tails of a top 3 defense is more impressive than making a pro bowl in your disgusting little world? Uhhh ok. Go pull the playoff stats you bulbous buffoon. Better yet try and remember some of the throws for yourself. I know that's probably hard for you given you have the memory of a goldfish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 Look at you go... you seem to enjoy fapping into your own face. Ahh.. the classic case of resorting to personal attacks when you can't counter my salient points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 Go pull the playoff stats you bulbous buffoon. Better yet try and remember some of the throws for yourself. I know that's probably hard for you given you have the memory of a goldfish. Garrard wins one or two champioships behind those two teams. Only thing I remember is when Greene went down against the Colts Sanchez was NOT good enough to compete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 Ahh.. the classic case of resorting to personal attacks when you can't counter my salient points. You really just wrote that? ^^^^ Trolled. I haven't even read your posts or most of the thread. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 Go pull the playoff stats you bulbous buffoon. Better yet try and remember some of the throws for yourself. I know that's probably hard for you given you have the memory of a goldfish. Cries about personal attacks, then comes up with faggoty insults like these. ^^^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 Ok we all know most people hate Mark- stll some that hold out hope= lets disagree without the name calling guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 Jason Hill, Mardy Gilyard, Clyde Gates, Konrad Reuland, and Hayden Smith were major weapons in last years arsenal. Let that sink in for a minute. I don't want to hear that crap about RG3's lack of weapons... At least he had a full camp and preseason with the same guys. Mark and co. had a revolving door of sh*tty options. It was a disaster. ahahahahahah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 Cries about personal attacks, then comes up with faggoty insults like these. ^^^^ That's it. You've been reported. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 Garrard wins one or two champioships behind those two teams. Only thing I remember is when Greene went down against the Colts Sanchez was NOT good enough to compete. Selective memory. The ilk has another member. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted May 2, 2013 Author Share Posted May 2, 2013 The best Mark Sanchez would look like a guy who can go into Indy and NE on consecutive weeks and beat Manning and Brady. That's quite a bit more than Garrard has accomplished. That being said that Mark may never come back... in which case I'd be fine with Garrard winning the competition and mentoring Geno. Don't really see the point of keeping Mark on the roster if he can't beat Garrard. If the unthinkable happens and Garrard and Geno get hurt, you turn it over to McElroy and watch it burn to the ground. Sanchez against Indy, 2011 playoffs: 18/31 (58 %), 189 yards, 0 TD's, 1 INT. We didn't win that game because of Sanchez. Granted, he played well in New England (3 TD's, 0 INT's, though he had under 200 yards), but acting like Sanchez "beat" Manning and Brady at his best is disingenuous. Sanchez didn't earn a thing that his defense and running game didn't allow him to. Some of his best throws of his career came off play-action passes when teams were selling out to stop our run game. David Garrard never had the kind of talent around him that Sanchez did, yet he still went to a Pro Bowl. Meaning at least for one season, Garrard was considered one of the top 3 QB's in the AFC. That's more impressive to me than a QB who tagged along for 2 AFC Title game appearances, and was probably (no, definitely) the biggest reason we didn't advance to the Super Bowl either season. He's a bottom 5 QB and always has been. Give me Garrard any day. At least he doesn't mope when he sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 Ok we all know most people hate Mark- stll some that hold out hope= lets disagree without the name calling guys lol Pac ruins everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 Playoff Mark is quite good. Regular season Mark was a train wreck last year due to lack of organizational stability, poor decision making, and an O-line coach trying to play OC. Playoff Mark is merely fine. Statistically he was better than he actually was. Pittsburgh in particular. Before he put up those respectable numbers, he'd already blown the game. Like JR Smith hitting 3 3-pointers at the end of a game that was already in the bag for Boston last night. Would have been nice if he hadn't gone 0/11 before that. Maybe Mark's 2nd half numbers would have been meaningful if we didn't go 3 & out for most of the first half, followed by fumbling (shock, shock) to give Pittsburgh a free TD on defense. In his rookie season he was an absolute train wreck vs SD in the playoffs. But our defense caused 5 turnovers and we still only scored 17, winning by 3. Mark "led" us to victory? Yeah, right. Against Indy in his first year he threw that one beautiful bomb to Edwards and that was about it. The other TD was because of Brad Smith's arm, not Mark's, and the FG was after we took over in FG range and Sanchez didn't even attempt a pass. The other Indy game we won? Since when is 18-31-189-0-1 "quite good"? We won because we had over 160 rushing yards and because Caldwell decided to give us a free timeout. He had excellent games vs Cincy and New England. Even though he wasn't asked to do as much vs Cincy, all we needed was an efficient game manager and he was perfect in that role for 1 day. All 3 TDs vs NE were guys running it in after the catch (particularly Braylon who comically carried two Patriots with him into the EZ), but he had a good game (even if the stat sheet made him look better than he actually was). But we did move the ball and he didn't turn the ball over, so I absolutely will give him due credit for a good game. Just that the stat line reads like someone who was on fire. Enough of this still-growing myth that Mark Sanchez is some dangerous weapon once the playoffs come around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 lol Pac ruins everything. I didn't really want the name calling to stop. Thought my faux butt hurt was pretty transparent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted May 2, 2013 Author Share Posted May 2, 2013 Selective memory. The ilk has another member. He's right, Pac. You can't argue that Sanchez "won us" those 4 playoff games without also agreeing that he "lost us" those 2 AFC Title games. The rest of us are arguing that Sanchez sucks and always has sucked. So I think you're the one being selective here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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