kelticwizard Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 yupp Doesn't that strike you as a double-cross? "I took your money to improve your game and then I take your job". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsJETStime Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 Doesn't that strike you as a double-cross? "I took your money to improve your game and then I take your job". And the Jets care because? If Sanchez gets cut or traded then Jeff Garica won't have any reservations about signing with the Jets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 That was a good article. Nice for a change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCJETSFAN Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 Aren't we putting a lot of trust in Marty . When since 2000 hasn't really done much most of the Philly yrs is Andy Reid ! All I'm saying is I'm at a wait and see with him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 Can a mod adjust Pac's stupid thread title? Bc it's stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GangisGreen Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 I will say that I am a Geno fan and think he has a chance to be a decent NFL QB, however the point I want to make is I feel we have to play Geno this year simply because next years QB class is shaping up to be pretty good. We have to see if Geno has what it takes because if he doesn't we will have to take a shot at one of the QB's next year. We have to keep in mind that Geno was NOT the 9th overall pick but a 2nd rounder so we are not tied up with Geno like we would be with a top 10 pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 Aren't we putting a lot of trust in Marty . When since 2000 hasn't really done much most of the Philly yrs is Andy Reid ! All I'm saying is I'm at a wait and see with him His offense has been top 10 every year except for one. Please stop or if you really do feel that way at least back it up so I can understand where you're coming from. Also tell me which available OC would have been better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 I want Geno Smith starting sooner rather than later because I don't want a 2nd round pick stopping the Jets from going all in at the QB position next year if a Bridgewater or Matt Ryan is available. If Geno's awesome, awesome! If not, let's try to find a QB who is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetscode1 Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 I've seen enough of Sanchez as the rest of us...but can we please show some patience until some actual football starts...we bitch and moan how Sanchez got this job without competition and now some want to anoint Geno the same way... "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." -George Santayana Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 Garcia? You want to shįtcan Sanchez and then give his job to the guy who he hired to coach him this offseason? That will keep the back pages of the News and Post busy for awhile. lol The time to bring in Garcia was in 2009 when he was available and still usable, and had him "compete" with Sanchez (read: start Garcia that year). Instead we had him "compete" for the starting job with a player who, in his playing prime, can't even get consistent work as a backup. Garcia - with a 35:12 TD:INT ratio (a puny 1.3% interception rate) and ~64% completion percentage the prior 3 seasons - was exactly the player I repeatedly proposed (here) that we get to start the '09 season instead of throwing an unready Sanchez to the wolves. In the absence of a better option, that is who you give a veteran, SB-ready team to. Not a rookie who skipped his senior season despite his HC telling him he wasn't ready yet. The suggestion was mocked pretty heavily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 I want Geno Smith starting sooner rather than later because I don't want a 2nd round pick stopping the Jets from going all in at the QB position next year if a Bridgewater or Matt Ryan is available. If Geno's awesome, awesome! If not, let's try to find a QB who is. No way in hell Ryan will be available and Bridgewater probably goes #1. I don't think the Jets will be that bad unless Sanchez starts. Geno is the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsouth Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 McSackelroy>Simms>Geno Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 lol The time to bring in Garcia was in 2009 when he was available and still usable, and had him "compete" with Sanchez (read: start Garcia that year). Instead we had him "compete" for the starting job with a player who, in his playing prime, can't even get consistent work as a backup. Garcia - with a 35:12 TD:INT ratio (a puny 1.3% interception rate) and ~64% completion percentage the prior 3 seasons - was exactly the player I repeatedly proposed (here) that we get to start the '09 season instead of throwing an unready Sanchez to the wolves. In the absence of a better option, that is who you give a veteran, SB-ready team to. Not a rookie who skipped his senior season despite his HC telling him he wasn't ready yet. The suggestion was mocked pretty heavily. Btw Garcia was one of the five QBs Mornhinweg turned into a pro bowler under his watch. Two of them hall of gamers just saying.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 No way in hell Ryan will be available and Bridgewater probably goes #1. I don't think the Jets will be that bad unless Sanchez starts. Geno is the future. Unless he's not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 McSackelroy>Simms>Geno That would be a fair assessment if I were drunk.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 Unless he's not. I can understand your logic but I'm not sure it's fair to judge any player off of his rookie campaign alone. He would have to completely implode which I guess is possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 I can understand your logic but I'm not sure it's fair to judge any player off of his rookie campaign alone. He would have to completely implode which I guess is possible. I think they'll either have some strong evidence that he's -at least- got the potential to be a franchise QB, or they'll have some evidence that he doesn't. Not to crap on Jet fan dreams, but, frankly, he just reminds me too much of Sanchez. A mentally soft fumbler with inflated college stats. I hope I'm wrong, but if he seems like a mentally weak fumbler as a rookie, I'd be looking to dip my big toe back into the QB market next offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 From all indications, Geno probably isn't emotionally mature enough right now to be handed a starting job on a sh*tty team. Russell Wilson was in college for five years and was the unquestioned leader at two big programs. I'm not sure it'd be super-advisable to throw him to the wolves, even if he does win the job in camp. The organization needs to stay focused on the long term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 No way in hell Ryan will be available and Bridgewater probably goes #1. I don't think the Jets will be that bad unless Sanchez starts. Geno is the future. All the negative things people said about Geno, they're going to be saying about Bridgewater and Fells (who is a guy getting crazy buzz) once they have another full year to dissect game tape and be in the spotlight. Bridgewater certainly has all the talent, but he needs to be much more consistent. Logan Thomas will be this years EJ Manuel and the guy who I think is going to dominate this year will be Tahj Boyd. Saw a few games last year, but what he did to my LSU in our bowl game really impressed me, that kid is gonna be the one to push Bridgewater for the top QB spot. Ultimately I think it'll probably go Bridgewater/Boyd, Fells and then it's a toss up; Thomas could learn how to be accurate and then all of a sudden jump in the first round like EJ. Regarless, this class isn't as slam-dunk as everyone thinks and until I see Teddy or Fells put a full season together, I wouldn't take any of them over Geno...which could change in 10 months of course. I'd grab someone like marqise lee and go all in on Geno. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 As an FYI for fans weary of WVUs fall from grace the back half of 2012. EJ Manuel's FSU defense was ranked 2nd in the country. WVU's defense was ranked 108th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 The way I see it, Geno gives us three years to find another QB. Sanchez is shiit and I don't want to see him sporting the green and white anymore. So we can say "Geno's rookie year, lets see what he does next year... this is his sophomore slump, he is putting it together... season three, he is going to put it together.. oh boy this kid sucks, we need to draft INSERT ANOTHER QB POSSIBLY FROM USC". I just don't know that you can wait 3 years in the NFL these days. I would see how this season goes, and if Geno doesn't show signs that he's the franchise guy, even in Year 1, you go draft another QB with that 1st or even 2nd rounder in the 2014 draft while we have what should be a top 10 pick or so. We shouldn't wait any more than 2 years either way. That's how you end up getting stuck with a guy like Sanchez for 4+ years when you could have already upgraded at the position. There's nothing wrong with stockpiling QB's, than trading them away to teams who think they can use one that you have. We only used a 2nd rounder on Geno so it wouldn't be seen as some huge failure by Idzik. We know finding your franchise QB is what matters most by far so you have to bite the bullet and keep drafting QB's until you find your guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 I know you are very high on Smith. One of the reasons I'm not is because of what you just posted. At the end of the season, when Geno looked like the fist pick in the draft, or if he slipped might wind up with the Jets at 9, I went to a Mountaineers boards, just to see what they were saying about him. I was very surprised. Most college fans are crazy loyal to players that look like they might be first rounders, especially when they look like top ten'ers. In general, they seemed to be luke warm about him. That put up a lot of red flags to me. I'm not going to attack him every time his name comes up, I honestly hope he is great, and he did seem to have a nice rookie camp, but I'm not running victory laps just yet. You make good points. I don't know nearly enough about the guy to make any assessment, so I thought WVU fans would be a good source. These guys were rabid fans who traveled from Wilmington NC up to Mountaineer territory every Saturday home game to see him play. And yes, they were lukewarm on his capabilities as a pro. I want him to succeed and it can't be hard to be better than Sanchez, but the next Russell Wilson he probably is not. And that's OK. He'll be ridding us of Sanchez and he deserves a parade for that alone. But at the same time I am a Jets fan and not the fan of any individual player. As I said in my previous post, keep drafting QB's until you're sure you got one who is the goods. We saw a terrible franchise like the Redskins get turned around overnight because of an electrifying young QB. He had no weapons because they traded so many picks to get him and still made the playoffs. That's exactly what this franchise needs. A QB to lean on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted May 13, 2013 Author Share Posted May 13, 2013 Can a mod adjust Pac's stupid thread title? Bc it's stupid. ok, Judd Nelson. Maybe we can change it to "I hate Hess with the intensity of 1000 suns... and an article by Brian Costello". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeKlecko Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 The best scenario for the Jets is: Smith shows he’s capable, Garrard proves he’s healthy and another team suffers an injury at quarterback during the preseason. Then, the Jets could trade Sanchez to the quarterback-needy team — after agreeing to eat about $6 million of the $8.75 million coming to him. The only way I think Sanchez is a Jet when the season begins against Darrelle Revis and the Buccaneers is if Garrard gets injured and Smith can’t figure out an NFL offense. Sanchez can still play quarterback in the NFL. Even after 52 turnovers over the last two years, this is not someone who is finished. On the right team with the right supporting cast, Sanchez can win games. I agree with the premise that it's in everyone's best interest that Sanchez be gone when the season starts, but Costello must have been drunk when he wrote this article. I don't care how QB needy another team is, who in their right minds would both trade for Sanchez, and then also agree to eat $6 million of his contract? I can't ever see even the first part happening, much less both parts. I also am not so sure that Sanchez isn't done and/or that he can still play QB in the NFL. If someone can revive his confidence and turn him into a solid starter, then that QB Coach/OC deserve to go into the HOF on that alone. I also think that Costello is underrating Rex's love for Sanchez. Unfortunately, I think it's his job to lose. Unless he's had some kind of epiphany over the winter, and/or realizes that if he stakes his job on Sanchez and Sanchez sucks again, that he's done as HC of the Jets, I haven't seen anything that says that Rex still doesn't believe that Sanchez is his guy. I don't think that Idzik would order Rex who to start, either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 ok, Judd Nelson. Maybe we can change it to "I hate Hess with the intensity of 1000 suns... and an article by Brian Costello". Stupido posterico. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeKlecko Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 lol The time to bring in Garcia was in 2009 when he was available and still usable, and had him "compete" with Sanchez (read: start Garcia that year). Instead we had him "compete" for the starting job with a player who, in his playing prime, can't even get consistent work as a backup. Garcia - with a 35:12 TD:INT ratio (a puny 1.3% interception rate) and ~64% completion percentage the prior 3 seasons - was exactly the player I repeatedly proposed (here) that we get to start the '09 season instead of throwing an unready Sanchez to the wolves. In the absence of a better option, that is who you give a veteran, SB-ready team to. Not a rookie who skipped his senior season despite his HC telling him he wasn't ready yet. The suggestion was mocked pretty heavily. GREAT post. I was saying the same thing at the time. I think it was THE biggest mistake Tanny and Rex made (if Rex was involved in the decision). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeKlecko Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 I will say that I am a Geno fan and think he has a chance to be a decent NFL QB, however the point I want to make is I feel we have to play Geno this year simply because next years QB class is shaping up to be pretty good. We have to see if Geno has what it takes because if he doesn't we will have to take a shot at one of the QB's next year. We have to keep in mind that Geno was NOT the 9th overall pick but a 2nd rounder so we are not tied up with Geno like we would be with a top 10 pick. I also think he has a chance to be a good NFL QB, but that is why I disagree with you that we have to play Geno this year. That is the way to ruin whatever chance he has to succeed. If you play him with no weapons before he is ready, then it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy that he isn't any good. The kid needs to sit and learn for a while. If he's ready to play by mid-season, great, then start him the last half of the season. He does need to get some game action so the team has an idea of what he can do beyond practice, but not until he works on footwork, gets a solid grasp of the offense and the speed of the NFL and develops some timing with the receivers we have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 The real question is this: who on this board will step up and slurp Geno the way PAC has slurped Sanchez these past two years? Is there no man capable of that sort of potentially misguided, creepy, possibly race-based devotion? Not race based, you should've seen pac in the pennington years. He protected him like a momma would protect a handicapped child Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JADEDGREEN Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 Not race based, you should've seen pac in the pennington years. He protected him like a momma would protect a handicapped child Gay based. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 Gay based. 100%.. He'll be gay for Geno the first hint of being competent the kid gives him.. Pac clung to 2002 for 7 years, and the Bengals game in 2009 for the last 4... It doesn't take much to count pac as one of your groupies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 Not race based, you should've seen pac in the pennington years. He protected him like a momma would protect a handicapped child an equal opportunist slurpbag to suckage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason423 Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 Peter King wrote today that the Jets "would" eat $6mil of Sanchez's deal to dump him if 1. Geno shows enough over the next few weeks and 2. Garrard stays healthy. King should have written that the Jets would eat $6 mil of Sanchez' contract to dump him if any team in the NFL was interested. If the Jets had a trade partner Sanchez would be gone by now. They need to wait until the summer for teams to get a look at young players and mediocre starters before they will make a play on a Sanchez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 I agree with the premise that it's in everyone's best interest that Sanchez be gone when the season starts, but Costello must have been drunk when he wrote this article. I don't care how QB needy another team is, who in their right minds would both trade for Sanchez, and then also agree to eat $6 million of his contract? I can't ever see even the first part happening, much less both parts. I also am not so sure that Sanchez isn't done and/or that he can still play QB in the NFL. If someone can revive his confidence and turn him into a solid starter, then that QB Coach/OC deserve to go into the HOF on that alone. I also think that Costello is underrating Rex's love for Sanchez. Unfortunately, I think it's his job to lose. Unless he's had some kind of epiphany over the winter, and/or realizes that if he stakes his job on Sanchez and Sanchez sucks again, that he's done as HC of the Jets, I haven't seen anything that says that Rex still doesn't believe that Sanchez is his guy. I don't think that Idzik would order Rex who to start, either. Pretty sure his point was that the Jets would be eating $6 million of Sanchez's contract, which is what might be enough to drive a team to have any interest in trading for him, not the other way around. I'm sure the Jets would still be able to get nothing more than a late rounder / conditional pick at most, if anything at all. If there's a coach out there who thinks Sanchez has a chance to turn it around, you just never know, but it's certainly far from a sure thing no matter what they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted May 13, 2013 Author Share Posted May 13, 2013 100%.. He'll be gay for Geno the first hint of being competent the kid gives him.. Pac clung to 2002 for 7 years, and the Bengals game in 2009 for the last 4... It doesn't take much to count pac as one of your groupies Nice of you to take a few minutes away from pornhub.com to come in and spew a few lies. Now run along and go back to searching for chicks with d---s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JollyGreen Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 Oh man Geno completed passes with practice players against practice players "instant starter" Mark Sanchez somehow completes passes with practice players against NFL starters "worset qb ever" I dont see how its genos job to lose. Im pretty sure they are going to go with whoever is the best QB and sorry to say to some of guys but thats deff Sanchez. As much as you guys keep thinking only about this last season, im sure John idzik isnt. New year new team Since that was probly the worst jet team iv seen take the field in a long time and it had little to do with what qb was taking snaps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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