NFC GM: "I don't think Rex gets another head coaching gig."

[slats]

Rex came in with a reputation as a good defensive coordinator. Four years later, we know that Rex is a good defensive coordinator. As far as Fassel's lifestyle, are you trying to compare his to Rex's? I'd rather my coach was drinking bourbon than trolling parking lots looking to make fetish porn with dudes he found in Craigslist.

A person can turn off the camera after producing some fine quality fetish porn, then get back to work at their day job. A drunk, like Fassel, needs 8-10 hours to sleep it off before he can get back to work, and then he'll be groggy when he does.

What other head coach is completely and totally reliant on his OC, on a one-year deal, to save his job?

No more reliant than any other coach hiring a coordinator from the side of the ball they're less familiar with.

[slats]

Weird how Mornhinweg can't seem to find another head coaching gig.

If he can do a good job with Sanchez and/or Geno, maybe he will.

Rex has won nearly as many playoff games (4) as a head coach as Mornhinweg has won regular season games (5). That might factor into each man's future prospective employment opportunities.

[T0mShane]

A person can turn off the camera after producing some fine quality fetish porn, then get back to work at their day job. A drunk, like Fassel, needs 8-10 hours to sleep it off before he can get back to work, and then he'll be groggy when he does.

Drinking didnt affect Fassel's job performance. Fassel brought an overmatched Giants team to a Super Bowl. Fassel was undone because he couldn't control a high-maintenance team over the long term. Sorta like Rex.

[slats]

Drinking didnt affect Fassel's job performance. Fassel brought an overmatched Giants team to a Super Bowl. Fassel was undone because he couldn't control a high-maintenance team over the long term. Sorta like Rex.

Fassel's been blackballed because he's a lush. Ironically, Billick tried to give him a shot, but that didn't work. If Fassel brought anything to the table, he'd be working somewhere in the league.

[T0mShane]

Fassel's been blackballed because he's a lush. Ironically, Billick tried to give him a shot, but that didn't work. If Fassel brought anything to the table, he'd be working somewhere in the league.

Not two minutes ago you lauded Rex for winning four playoff games, which proves he's a good coach, while now dismissing Fassel bringing the Giants to the Super Bowl as the act of a "lush" who "brings nothing to the table."

[dbatesman]

Fassel's been blackballed because he's a lush. Ironically, Billick tried to give him a shot, but that didn't work. If Fassel brought anything to the table, he'd be working somewhere in the league.

 

Claims that Rex will be a hot candidate because he runs a great defense or "brings something to the table" completely miss the point. The primary thing Rex brings to the table is a great defense, and that's simply not good enough to justify handing him another HC job, because a.) you can hire him as a defensive coordinator to do the same job for 20% of the pay, and b.) it's not like dopes in suits like Woody are breaking down all-22 film before they interview these guys anyway. The operative issue is that NFL owners are a bunch of humorless old geezers. The idea that a cabal of hidebound rummies would blackball Fassel for a drinking problem and look the other way on homemade fetish porn or playing dress-up at press conferences is ludicrous. When you think about it, it's actually something of a minor miracle Rex got hired in the first place.

[slats]

Not two minutes ago you lauded Rex for winning four playoff games, which proves he's a good coach, while now dismissing Fassel bringing the Giants to the Super Bowl as the act of a "lush" who "brings nothing to the table."

You're a big fan of putting words into people's mouths. I didn't say Rex's four playoff wins prove anything, just that they'll be taken into account when he finds himself back on the job market. The fact that he's not a drunk will also be seen as a positive.

[slats]

Claims that Rex will be a hot candidate because he runs a great defense or "brings something to the table" completely miss the point. The primary thing Rex brings to the table is a great defense, and that's simply not good enough to justify handing him another HC job, because a.) you can hire him as a defensive coordinator to do the same job for 20% of the pay, and b.) it's not like dopes in suits like Woody are breaking down all-22 film before they interview these guys anyway. The operative issue is that NFL owners are a bunch of humorless old geezers. The idea that a cabal of hidebound rummies would blackball Fassel for a drinking problem and look the other way on homemade fetish porn or playing dress-up at press conferences is ludicrous. When you think about it, it's actually something of a minor miracle Rex got hired in the first place.

I'm on record as saying that Rex will get another head coaching job. I feel pretty good about that assessment. I'm not going to argue my opinion on the matter much longer today. We'll find out in the coming year(s) as to whether I'm right or wrong.

And humorless drunkard geezer owners hire GM's to hire coaches, and those GM's want to remain employed - so they avoid hiring drunks.

[slats]

The primary thing Rex brings to the table is a great defense, and that's simply not good enough to justify handing him another HC job, because a.) you can hire him as a defensive coordinator to do the same job for 20% of the pay...

Also, you can't hire him to be a DC if someone else is offering him a HC job, and all it takes is one team to make that offer.

[dbatesman]

Also, you can't hire him to be a DC if someone else is offering him a HC job, and all it takes is one team to make that offer.

 

Let me know when Prokhorov buys the Browns.

[Scott Dierking]

I'm saying that no one in the league gives up on the #5 overall pick in their third or fourth year, especially one signed under the old CBA. No one.  

Slats, let me introduce you to the Oakland Raiders,

 

I will also need to introduce you to Ryan Leaf

[slats]

Slats, let me introduce you to the Oakland Raiders,

 

I will also need to introduce you to Ryan Leaf

How many championship games did JaMarcus and Leaf appear in between them? Sanchez has won nearly as many playoff games as those guys have won regular season games. Plus, they both have substance abuse and/or other problems.

Sanchez has been bad the last couple years, but he's not the headcase either of those guys are.

You wanna make an analogy, make one with a kid who made the playoffs in two of his first three years -without a losing season- then was let go by his team before he reached year four.

Ready? Go!

[ylekram]

How many championship games did JaMarcus and Leaf appear in between them? Sanchez has won nearly as many playoff games as those guys have won regular season games. Plus, they both have substance abuse and/or other problems.

Sanchez has been bad the last couple years, but he's not the headcase either of those guys are.

You wanna make an analogy, make one with a kid who made the playoffs in two of his first three years -without a losing season- then was let go by his team before he reached year four.

Ready? Go!

crickets crickets

[ylekram]

Slats, let me introduce you to the Oakland Raiders,

 

I will also need to introduce you to Ryan Leaf

after the 2010 championship game,everyone thought the jets had an up an comer with sanchez.improved upon his rookie year and played pretty good during the 2010 playoffs. a qb on the rise.after a bad 2011 season, the gm shoulda brought in legitimate qb competition,not fire sanchez. for not doing that,the gm lost his job. I don't think the new gm is that dumb

[Sperm Edwards]

How many championship games did JaMarcus and Leaf appear in between them? Sanchez has won nearly as many playoff games as those guys have won regular season games. Plus, they both have substance abuse and/or other problems.

Sanchez has been bad the last couple years, but he's not the headcase either of those guys are.

You wanna make an analogy, make one with a kid who made the playoffs in two of his first three years -without a losing season- then was let go by his team before he reached year four.

Ready? Go!

Vince Young?

[JoeKlecko]

after the 2010 championship game,everyone thought the jets had an up an comer with sanchez.improved upon his rookie year and played pretty good during the 2010 playoffs. a qb on the rise.after a bad 2011 season, the gm shoulda brought in legitimate qb competition,not fire sanchez. for not doing that,the gm lost his job. I don't think the new gm is that dumb

 

Competition wasn't the only thing that needed to be brought in to help Sanchez.  Much more important was bringing in both a REAL, genuine, qualified OC and QB Coach.

[slats]

Vince Young?

Spent five years with Tennessee, never won a playoff game. He has thrown more shoulder pads than Sanchez, though.

[Bugg]

Jerry Reese is a good quote.

Likely true. The Jints love to slag their co-tenants.

Problem for Ryan is so far he hasn;t shown any ability to field a competent offense. If you like losing 13-10 he's your man.How do you sell that to an owner or a fan base. Scoring is exploding; here's a guy who DGAF about that.

Let me understand this-the Cowboys after 2 years of watching Rob Ryan's act are going to sign up for more of that?

[Sperm Edwards]

Spent five years with Tennessee, never won a playoff game. He has thrown more shoulder pads than Sanchez, though.

Neither did Sanchez. The D won them.

Also that wasn't what you asked for.

[slats]

Neither did Sanchez. The D won them.

Also that wasn't what you asked for.

I asked for a QB who reached the playoffs in two of his first three years, then was let go before he reached year four. Young doesn't qualify.

[dbatesman]

You wanna make an analogy, make one with a kid who made the playoffs in two of his first three years -without a losing season- then was let go by his team before he reached year four.

Ready? Go!

Ya context is totes gay bruh

[Greenseed4]

I asked for a QB who reached the playoffs in two of his first three years, then was let go before he reached year four. Young doesn't qualify.

 

Wrong thread I'm sure...and this has very little to do with the point you're making.  But you got me thinking.  

 

The year Sanchez entered the league he went 3-0 before facing the then undefeated Saints in week-4. remember? I do, because they were the reigning world champs and I remember thinking--this Sanchez kid is going to beat the SB champion Saints and lead us to a 4-0 record.  We lost.  But the point is, that year we played the NFC-South.  We also went on to the AFCC.

 

The following year we played the AFC north.  We lost to the Ravens 9-10, but then beat every other team in that division, until losing to Pittsburgh in the AFCC.

 

This year we play the AFC-north and NFC-south.  Two of the divisions that Sanchez played during his most successful seasons in the league.  As of this year, Sanchez has (literally) played against every team in the league...and is in a make it or break it year.

 

I think he'll do well.  As a result.  Rex's job is saved by the very kid he's staked his HC career upon.  

[SenorGato]

 

 

Seattle seems to have found one in the 3rd round no?

 

Yeah, we're still at 2. So far the list consists of the 5'10" QB nobody saw coming and the 40 year old coming off a couple upper body surgeries looking for 100 million. 

 

I have plenty that I could offer, but what would the use be? To placate stupidity?

 

Yes, the jets made a huge investment in Sanchez, but they DIDN"T  have to make the second one. And, to insinuatre that Rex wasn't on board with that , and maybe even appealing for it, I think would be faulty reasoning.

 

ROTFL SCOTTOOOOOOO!

[Bleedin Green]

Wrong thread I'm sure...and this has very little to do with the point you're making.  But you got me thinking.  

 

The year Sanchez entered the league he went 3-0 before facing the then undefeated Saints in week-4. remember? I do, because they were the reigning world champs and I remember thinking--this Sanchez kid is going to beat the SB champion Saints and lead us to a 4-0 record.  We lost.  But the point is, that year we played the NFC-South.  We also went on to the AFCC.

 

The following year we played the AFC north.  We lost to the Ravens 9-10, but then beat every other team in that division, until losing to Pittsburgh in the AFCC.

 

This year we play the AFC-north and NFC-south.  Two of the divisions that Sanchez played during his most successful seasons in the league.  As of this year, Sanchez has (literally) played against every team in the league...and is in a make it or break it year.

 

I think he'll do well.  As a result.  Rex's job is saved by the very kid he's staked his HC career upon.  

 

Actually, Sanchez has never played against the Jets' week one opponent, the Bucs, before.  Clemens started that game in Sanchez's rookie year (and the Jets still won, too).  Besides, I think the bigger question is whether the rest of the team can once again play at the top level they all were in those seasons more than Sanchez getting back up to that type of mediocre play he was providing back then.

[Greenseed4]

Actually, Sanchez has never played against the Jets' week one opponent, the Bucs, before.  Clemens started that game in Sanchez's rookie year (and the Jets still won, too).  Besides, I think the bigger question is whether the rest of the team can once again play at the top level they all were in those seasons more than Sanchez getting back up to that type of mediocre play he was providing back then.

 

Well I'll be.  After looking it up, you're right. Clemens threw a solid 12-23 for 111.  0 tds, 0 ints, while Mark took notes on the sideline.

That must've been the game following his infamous "never-learned-how-to-slide" game.  

 

Should Sanchez get the start, this would be the only team he hasn't played against.

 

The Bucs are a solid team, but I still like our odds.

 

VJ shadowed by Cromartie is shut down for 2 rec, 18 yards.

Mike Williams introduces the unsigned rook to the bigs with a 5 catch, 45 yard performance.

'Muscle Hamster' re-united with his OL runs for 85 yards, 1 TD. 

 

We find success targeting the newbie cornerback, Johnthan Banks, who covers Stephen Hill and gives up 5 receptions for 110 yards and 2 TDs. 

and, our RBBC exposes the TB run-defense for what it is, as we grind out 150 yards. 

[Scott Dierking]

How many championship games did JaMarcus and Leaf appear in between them? Sanchez has won nearly as many playoff games as those guys have won regular season games. Plus, they both have substance abuse and/or other problems.

Sanchez has been bad the last couple years, but he's not the headcase either of those guys are.

You wanna make an analogy, make one with a kid who made the playoffs in two of his first three years -without a losing season- then was let go by his team before he reached year four.

Ready? Go!

Why do you keep moving the parameters of your ask. You are like the kid that takes his ball home, comes back for a play, then takes it home again.

[Sperm Edwards]

I asked for a QB who reached the playoffs in two of his first three years, then was let go before he reached year four. Young doesn't qualify.

 

Meh.  He was close enough.

 

Went 8-5 year 1 and missed the playoffs.  Sanchez went 8-7 and made the playoffs.  Young was better & Sanchez had a better team around him.  I hardly elevate Sanchez because of that.  He also went to the pro bowl (undeservingly as like a 10th alternate, but it's closer than Sanchez ever got) and won Rookie of the Year (also undeservingly, ahead of MJD and his 6 ypc and 15 TDs).

 

He made the playoffs in year 2.  He was worse than Sanchez's worst playoff performance (but no pick-6, lol).

 

Tennessee gave up on him in year 3 & kept Collins in after Young missed a couple of games.  Kept him for cap reasons.  

 

Tried him again in year 4 & Young was voted to his 2nd pro bowl.  Team went 8-2 with Young after starting 0-6 with Collins.  Doesn't seem like Young's fault they missed the playoffs, as 8-2 is a better 10-game stretch than Sanchez has ever had.

 

Next year went 4-5 (but far better #s than Sanchez usually posts).  Threw his shoulder pads into the stands & Tennessee said that's the end of his Titans career.

 

 

His career is close enough, except that Young was better than Sanchez.  He was ditched after 4.5 years (only kept in case they could get something in trade) instead of cutting him just before year 4.

 

Find me any 2 players whose careers were such specifically exact mirrors for any reasons (Sanchez or any player).  It's kind of hard.  No 2 players are that identical and everything changes everything (including others' collapses causing Sanchez to "take" the Jets to the playoffs in '09, a laughable assertion if there ever was one.

[Sperm Edwards]

Why do you keep moving the parameters of your ask. You are like the kid that takes his ball home, comes back for a play, then takes it home again.

 

I know you are but what am I?

[Scott Dierking]

I know you are but what am I?

I was directing that at Slats, who asked how many teams give up on a qb after a couple - three seasons after being a top 5 pick. I gave him examples, and then he changes the criteria like some mod type slob.

 

Any fool can create an ask, then have it answered only to refine the question.

[slats]

Why do you keep moving the parameters of your ask. You are like the kid that takes his ball home, comes back for a play, then takes it home again.

Because comparing Sanchez to JaMarcus or Leaf isn't a fair comparison. I'd like to think you know that. Seems to me that you have an emotional reaction to Rex and Sanchez, and you're trying to figure out a way to form a logical argument that matches your feelings. And failing.

Tell me when Rex and the Jets were supposed to give up on a QB they traded up to #5 for, and paid $44M, who got them to the AFC Championship Game in his first two seasons, and played decently-well in the playoffs. When he went 8-8 the following year? Because last year Rex actually did bench Sanchez, unfortunately there was no one better on the roster.

Which you also blame on Rex, but you can't come up with anyone outside of Peyton (who wanted nothing to do with the Jets), and overdrafting 5'10" Russell Wilson as QBs they could've potentially had.

I understand that you don't like Rex, and I completely understand being fed up with Sanchez, but you don't have a valid argument for the point you're trying to make. JaMarcus and Leaf drinking (dranking?) themselves out of the league has nothing to do with Rex and Sanchez.

[slats]

Meh.  He was close enough.

Young is a better QB than Leaf or JaMarcus, but has much more in common with them mentally than Sanchez. That's the guy's big problem, not his ability to play. Sanchez is just lame. If he had attitude problems like any of these guys, I'm sure they would've been much more active in replacing him. But by all accounts, he's a great guy. So the team rooted for him and stuck with him.

And even then, the big difference is the extension. Young lasted four+ years, Sanchez will last only five -with the extension. So Young hardly serves as an example of someone given up on in three years.

The Jets didn't have a Collins, either.

[T0mShane]

The Jets didn't have a Collins, either.

Ding ding ding ding ding!

[Scott Dierking]

  and you're trying to figure out a way to form a logical argument that matches your feelings.  

LOL-And you aren't? What do you think this board is about?

 

I gave you what you asked for, and then you try and spin the table. Ok, we get it. You can't be wrong.

 

And, I never said GIVE UP on Sancjez, but have a back up plan so that all the eggs are not in that fragile basket. PAY ATTENTION!

[slats]

Ding ding ding ding ding!

  

The handling of the QB situation is what got Tannenbaum fired. So lets be thankful for that. But what options were available? We were talking about guys like Jason Campbell, Bruce Gradkowski, and Tyler Thigpen at the time. Better than Tebow, for sure, but would they actually have been some sort of solution?

When making the argument that the Jets should've had someone else, there should be a couple names at the ready.

LOL-And you aren't? What do you think this board is about?

No, it's not. I don't like Sanchez, either. I have no emotional attachment to him. I just understand why they stuck with him.

 

I gave you what you asked for, and then you try and spin the table. Ok, we get it. You can't be wrong.

 

And, I never said GIVE UP on Sancjez, but have a back up plan so that all the eggs are not in that fragile basket. PAY ATTENTION!

I asked you to name some legitimate QBs the Jets could've potentially had. I just named three, which is much better than you've done in this thread.

[Scott Dierking]

  

The handling of the QB situation is what got Tannenbaum fired. So lets be thankful for that. But what options were available? We were talking about guys like Jason Campbell, Bruce Gradkowski, and Tyler Thigpen at the time. Better than Tebow, for sure, but would they actually have been some sort of solution?

When making the argument that the Jets should've had someone else, there should be a couple names at the ready.

No, it's not. I don't like Sanchez, either. I have no emotional attachment to him. I just understand why they stuck with him.

 

I asked you to name some legitimate QBs the Jets could've potentially had. I just named three, which is much better than you've done in this thread.

We get it-your opinion an be understood as fact, it is others that can't be. You changed the parameter of your ask (and you continue to refine it with different language), and this makes you "accomplished in this dialogue. Brilliant!

 

All I asked was for Rex (The Jets coach) to recognize the liability at QB, and provide some depth there. I guarantee (just like your empty guarantee that Rex will have another HC gig after this one-see I can do it too) if Rex went to his GM, he would have abliged in some way.

 

I gave example of how much the Jets scouting loved Wilson (so this makes it even plausible), to be that back up.

 

And then you tell me I project my feelings as argument to support those feelings.

 

You have come full circle here