nycdan Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 So many wouldn't know what to do with themselves if Geno Smith turns out to the be the real deal. Most of the posters strive on negative comments towards players and the organization. Please. That will be nothing compared to the mass suicide pact that would ensue if Sanchez comes in around week 4 and leads a playoff run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 Can we be fair at least? The two games he most notably sucked in, one was in a wind storm and another was in a snow storm. At least from what I watched...but yeah I realize the counter to that is he's playing in the Meadowlands. But still, just saying. I don't think you're being fair. You may end up being right but at least give the kid a chance. That was me being fair. I was being realistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 Please. That will be nothing compared to the mass suicide pact that would ensue if Sanchez comes in around week 4 and leads a playoff run. LOL That would be something. Make it week 3. It's hard to recover from 0-3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 Please. That will be nothing compared to the mass suicide pact that would ensue if Sanchez comes in around week 4 and leads a playoff run. That's not happening Geno Smith will have us at 4-0 by that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsjetsjetss Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 Basing this off of one preseason game, while ignoring tc and college. Legit, I'm shocked by how a lot of you guys aren't scouts by the gold you guys are writing. yeesh nfl is nfl. I pitched a perfect game in 3rd grade doesnt mean im good. I could care less what he did in college or practice. 7 on 7s are great but games are only things that matter... and just to remind u he had 3 interceptions and a sh*tty safety there is more evidence to back up he sucks then to back up he is good. Anyone refuting that is being entirely subjective Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jorge o8 Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 A year, are you sure? I think he should sit for two years, at least. Sixteen games is too arbitrary a number. How is he going to learn the speed of the NFL by sitting on the sidelines? Maybe we can get a lifelong season ticket holder with great seats and a good arm to play QB for us this year. He/she must be incredibly used to the speed of the NFL by now. i just think he can learn by having one year on the sideline not just the speed but the playbook and how to get good under center.Relax is just my opinion. it did rogers i think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artemusclyde Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 yeesh nfl is nfl. I pitched a perfect game in 3rd grade doesnt mean im good. I could care less what he did in college or practice. 7 on 7s are great but games are only things that matter... and just to remind u he had 3 interceptions and a sh*tty safety there is more evidence to back up he sucks then to back up he is good. Anyone refuting that is being entirely subjective Yeah he sucked, it was his first full game and he was playing with the pressure of being able to win or lose the job based on that one game. He choked hard. I highly doubt he's going to be playing this bad during the season. Also, he was doing well in tc and college and he was average in the Lions game. To discount all of this because of one preseason game is ridiculous. We don't know what were getting in Smith saying he sucks when he's a rookie who's only played in almost 1 full preseason game, is ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 i just think he can learn by having one year on the sideline not just the speed but the playbook and how to get good under center.Relax is just my opinion. it did rogers i think Unfortunately, Jorge, I don't think we have that luxury. You may be right, I apologize for sounding dickish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artemusclyde Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 And to say he's gonna be great or even the future of the Jets is even more ridiculous considering most NFL QBs fail on top of the fact he hasn't looked that good. I'm not saying he'll be either but if I was betting I'd go against him. He needs time to develop and learn the NFL. No one saying he's going to be amazing. All were saying is give the kid a chance. We stuck with Mark Sanchez for all these years and he was garbage. The least we can do is give Smith a year before writing him off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 No one saying he's going to be amazing. All were saying is give the kid a chance. We stuck with Mark Sanchez for all these years and he was garbage. The least we can do is give Smith a year before writing him off. So we should do for Smith what we did for Sanchez and give him a job he didn't earn and isn't ready for? Cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artemusclyde Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 187 yards as a college QB sucks. And the WV defense sucked all year long, the different was, he would put up 70 points and win early on, whereas as the season went on, the team, including him, sucked. And who gives a sh*t about stats in college. They are great to look at, but Tebow broke plenty of college records and still sucks as a QB. The guy from Boise State broke every record and then some, never even made it to the NFL. The Hawaii guy a few years back, hell every Hawaii guy under June Jones broke every QB record and none of them were NFL QBs. Smith was the best QB in college the first few weeks and everybody, including me, thought the guy should be handed the trophy and be handed the #1 pick. And then the losing started. And no, WVU didn't lose because Smith was terrible, but Smith wasn't exactly playing all that well either. Again, great he put up stats as the team kept losing. A guy like Jay Cutler in the NFL is that kind of QB. Great stats most of the time, but he sucks just as often as his teams lose. And Smith would be lucky to be as good as Cutler in the NFL at this point. The problem with Smith is the guy started to believe all the hype and it's obvious before this season even started he was more "i'm great get over it" compared to being humble. Seriously, one game and were already saying Jay Cutler is the best he can be? And were did you get this impression that Smith was a diva. He seemed humble and never once thew his team under the bus even though they threw him under the bus. That doesn't sound like a diva at all. And please don't talk about him firing his agent. His agent gave him bad advice and got fired, simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artemusclyde Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 So we should do for Smith what we did for Sanchez and give him a job he didn't earn and isn't ready for? Cool. Well, considering Sanchez is hurt, he does in fact win the job since he's the 2nd best qb on the roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 So we should do for Smith what we did for Sanchez and give him a job he didn't earn and isn't ready for? Cool. Depends. Do we get to within a pussy hair of the Super Bowl again? Are you saying that Smith and Sanchez are the same guy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 Well, considering Sanchez is hurt, he does in fact win the job since he's the 2nd best qb on the roster. That's not even for certain. He gets the job, he certainly didn't play well enough to earn or win it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 Depends. Do we get to within a pussy hair of the Super Bowl again? Are you saying that Smith and Sanchez are the same guy? I think they're basically the same quarterback, but this team is light years behind the teams of 2009 and 2010. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artemusclyde Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 That's not even for certain. He gets the job, he certainly didn't play well enough to earn or win it. Based off of one preseason game. I trust Marty a lot more than some random fans on jetnation about whose better at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoicsentry Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 I can't believe he's getting all this hate without taking a single regular season snap yet. Unreal. Dude was the near consensus #1 QB in the draft, yeah it was a weak draft but come on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 I think they're basically the same quarterback, but this team is light years behind the teams of 2009 and 2010. If they are the same QB, we have to get rid of Smith then. I can't take another 4 years of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 Based off of one preseason game. I trust Marty a lot more than some random fans on jetnation about whose better at this point. I haven't seen a quote from Marty giving him a vote of confidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 I can't believe he's getting all this hate without taking a single regular season snap yet. Unreal. Dude was the near consensus #1 QB in the draft, yeah it was a weak draft but come on. With Sanchez hurt and unable to play, Jets fans just move on to the next guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionelRichie Posted September 3, 2013 Author Share Posted September 3, 2013 So many wouldn't know what to do with themselves if Geno Smith turns out to the be the real deal. Most of the posters strive on negative comments towards players and the organization. I am not sold on Geno as the future but I think between Smith and Simms this team is overdue for a break. We don't need a top 5 QB we just can't have a bottom 5 QB like we had last year. If Geno can keep it around 1 turnover / game I think this team has a real chance to be competitive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jorge o8 Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 Unfortunately, Jorge, I don't think we have that luxury. You may be right, I apologize for sounding dickish. its ok is just man i feel your pain i have been a jets fan for over 25 years and im tired of just getting close and then nothing i just hope we win one before im 99 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artemusclyde Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 I haven't seen a quote from Marty giving him a vote of confidence. Considering he said it was neck and neck with Sanchez and Smith for the starting job, while Simms and Mcelroy were fighting for third spot, I can infer that he believes Smith is the 2nd best qb on the roster after Sanchez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 No one saying he's going to be amazing. All were saying is give the kid a chance. We stuck with Mark Sanchez for all these years and he was garbage. The least we can do is give Smith a year before writing him off. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNwbjcuQUv8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 Yeah he sucked, it was his first full game and he was playing with the pressure of being able to win or lose the job based on that one game. He choked hard. I highly doubt he's going to be playing this bad during the season. because the season is easier than the preseason. Right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeKlecko Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 because the season is easier than the preseason. Right? Come on, bit. It's comments like this make me HATE Jets boards at times. It's a totally wise ass, uncivil comment. You know that's not the issue. Did you stop and think that with some additional practice and preparation time and with his ankle closer to 100% that possibly, just possibly, Smith could play better than he did vs the Giants? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 Come on, bit. It's comments like this make me HATE Jets boards at times. It's a totally wise ass, uncivil comment. You know that's not the issue. Did you stop and think that with some additional practice and preparation time and with his ankle closer to 100% that possibly, just possibly, Smith could play better than he did vs the Giants? it's wishful thinking. The Giants don't have as good a secondary as TB and regular season is always tougher. there's no reason to believe Geno is gonna be awesome except wearing green glasses. Which doesn't really make sense because the Jets always f--k us. btw I'm actually going to this game. hope in one hand and piss in the other, see which fills up first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeKlecko Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 it's wishful thinking. The Giants don't have as good a secondary as TB and regular season is always tougher. there's no reason to believe Geno is gonna be awesome except wearing green glasses. Which doesn't really make sense because the Jets always f--k us. btw I'm actually going to this game. hope in one hand and piss in the other, see which fills up first. LOL Hopefully, the "hope" hand will be the victorious one. Seriously, who said anything about being "awesome?" As I see it, that's your (and many other posters') logical blackhole. You see everything in black and white. A player or a coach is either great or awful. There's no in between. Geno doesn't have to be awesome. All he has to do is cut down/out the TOs and play better. Before his ankle injury, his accuracy was fine. His throwing mechanics were better. He was stepping into throws and zipping the ball. We didn't see that vs. the Giants. It could have been nerves and reverting back to bad habits, OR it could have been the ankle. QB Coach Lee even said before the Giants game (I think) that Geno had regressed or reverted to some bad habits due to the injury). The practice reports this week say that the zip and spin is back on Geno's throws and that he is stepping into them again. That's reason to think that he will play better. He was a very accurate QB in college and didn't make a lot of bad decisions. There's no reason to think that he will suddenly be awful in that regard in the NFL. He will undoubtedly struggle early on as he learns to read more complex NFL defenses, but I don't think he will be awful, and I do expect him to show improvement with each game. It would have been better for him of course, if he could have sat and learned pressure-free for a while, but unfortunately, that was not to be. The only thing that I have any real concerns with him about are his fundamentals, as it is very hard to improve those while having to play and his mental makeup. With the early struggles that are sure to come, will he stay confident and resilient, or will he get down on himself? Yes, the Jets have frequently screwed us in the past and we have gotten our hopes dashed. We have a different GM and approach now, so there's reason for some hope. We can't hold onto the SOJ attitude. That makes us miserable. I'm much happier in my life and in rooting for the team since I gave up that cynical, bitter approach. I'm not as emotionally invested in the team as I was. They aren't gonna control my moods any more. I'm not gonna expect disaster, but neither am I gonna drink the Kool Aid and get my hopes sky high. I'm gonna try to stick to the middle ground, take a "wait and see" approach, find joy where I can, celebrate whatever the team does right and hope they correct what isn't. I'm sure I'll probably still get frustrated/upset with the team's play and decision-making at times, but hopefully, I can keep those to a minimum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 Geno doesn't have to be awesome. All he has to do is cut down/out the TOs and play better. Geno Smith is being handed a job he didn't earn, and one that he isn't ready for. He needs to sit for 3 years like Aaron Rodgers instead he's given the keys like Mark Sanchez. You said it yourself he can't fix his fundementals under real fire. THursday night at NE on national Tv should be a career-ruiner. "Worst case" he's Tom Brady part II and I can be completely wrong about him and we all watch multiple Super Bowl victories. Wouldn't that be a nice world to live in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 If memory serves, Rodgers' mechanics werent great coming out of Cal. You have to unteach a lot of the Tedford stuff.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 If memory serves, Rodgers' mechanics werent great coming out of Cal. You have to unteach a lot of the Tedford stuff.... Geno is not being given a chance to work on anything. He's being thrown to the wolves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 Geno Smith is being handed a job he didn't earn, and one that he isn't ready for. He needs to sit for 3 years like Aaron Rodgers instead he's given the keys like Mark Sanchez. You said it yourself he can't fix his fundementals under real fire. THursday night at NE on national Tv should be a career-ruiner. "Worst case" he's Tom Brady part II and I can be completely wrong about him and we all watch multiple Super Bowl victories. Wouldn't that be a nice world to live in? The problem is that there's not a single QB on the Jets roster who did actually earn that job, and you've got to give it to somebody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacked4JetsFB Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 The problem is that there's not a single QB on the Jets roster who did actually earn that job, and you've got to give it to somebody. I would argue that Simms earned it more than Geno did based on his play, although we did not see them in the same situations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artemusclyde Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 because the season is easier than the preseason. Right? No dumbass, but when it's his first game and he's a raw rookie, I expect him to get better over the season. Or do you disagree with basically every analyst whose said he needs reps and basically that he'll improve with reps. If so why don't you become an analyst genius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 I would argue that Simms earned it more than Geno did based on his play, although we did not see them in the same situations. Simms didn't earn it simply because he was never given the opportunity to. Fair or not, a guy cannot be determined to have earned a starting spot when he never played with or against any other starters. Whether or not he would/could have if given the chance is a different debate, but it (perhaps unfortunately) never happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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