Draft hope: Beef Delivery

[bitonti]

The Jets need to get bigger. PERIOD.

this is my draft hope -

a scenario where they take a top tackle in the first such as Marcus McNeil:

and this behemoth in the second:

Max Jean Gilles: Georgia

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Hello? who can sign for 700 pounds of beef to be delivered to Weeb Ewbanks Hall care of Doug Marrone?

[bitonti]

{space reserved in memory of the "hot beef injection" joke Tom Shane would have made}

[nj meadowlands]

Bit-

I've been calling McNeil's name

But here's to hoping for a combo of McNeil and Deangelo Williams

[spjets]

i know jack chit about college football but to have 2 monsters like that would be great..

[faba]

We need some beef on the defensive line also- so we do not get pushed around at the line of scrimmage and embarassed by these long marches by opponents

[LionelRichie]

We need some beef on the defensive line also- so we do not get pushed around at the line of scrimmage and embarassed by these long marches by opponents

drafting DT's is a crapshoot. i'd like to see the jets sign/trade for a proven run-stopper and draft as many good o-linemen as possible.

of course the entire point is moot as long as TB is running the show.

[stormshadow19]

With the way some people believe his stock to be falling (despite his talent), Gabe Watson might be had in the third. Or, according to some people, he might even be a UDFA.

He just needs a bloody fire lit under his ass.

[Matt39]

He just needs a bloody fire lit under his a$$.

Him and Robertson would get along great!

Herm can't afford to draft guys like Watson.

Players like VIlma- fine, lazy fat slobs- big no.

[bitonti]

With the way some people believe his stock to be falling (despite his talent), Gabe Watson might be had in the third. Or, according to some people, he might even be a UDFA.

He just needs a bloody fire lit under his a$$.

Gabe Watson is still a first rounder on my board. Also Peter King made him his #5 overall prospect in the country not too long ago.

But i hear what you are saying and let me just say if that monster falls to the Jets in the high second I will be doing cartwheels. he is exactly the type of big body that they need next to DROB. he is not lazy it is just the perception since he is 350 pounds. Look at old draft profiles of ted washington and sam adams the same flaw is there - "they could eat themselves out the league." Obviously a player needs to work hard to be successful in the NFL that applies to 350 pounders the same as it applies to 250 pounders.

[stormshadow19]

Gabe Watson is still a first rounder on my board. Also Peter King made him his #5 overall prospect in the country not too long ago.

But i hear what you are saying and let me just say if that monster falls to the Jets in the high second I will be doing cartwheels. he is exactly the type of big body that they need next to DROB. he is not lazy it is just the perception since he is 350 pounds. Look at old draft profiles of ted washington and sam adams the same flaw is there - "they could eat themselves out the league." Obviously a player needs to work hard to be successful in the NFL that applies to 350 pounders the same as it applies to 250 pounders.

No, Gabe can get quite lazy.

well, maybe lazy isn't the right word. But, he doesn't go hard, each play. Or in practice. It's not the weight thing... I think that, when he does play, his weight plays an advantage. The guy has beaten triple teams. He's strong, he's quick, and he'd be a great DT to have, but it's the fire and desire that he seems to be lacking. He just needs that golden carrot, so to speak.

I don't think that his weight is a problem. It suits the player he is. I'd love for him to fall to the Jets (or even the Lions, if Big Daddy is leaving). Those huge DT's are not a dime a dozen, as Pouha has shown us.

[Matt39]

SS, do you think Herm's capable of getting everything our of this dude Watson?

Hitting the weight room, not taking plays off, staying at a decent weight.

I highly doubt it.

Like Smizzy said, we breed underachievers, its what we do.

[stormshadow19]

I'm working under the assumption that Herm isn't around, anymore, actually. Herm isn't a player motivator, as far as staying in shape and all that. He's like Steve Marriucci. And, we saw how well that worked here. The Jets could use someone who's good in the weight room, keeping everyone in shape, and their eyes on the goal.

I just don't believe, after the five years or so we've had to judge, that Herm can do it.

[Matt39]

I wish I could start thinking under that assumption.

Unfortunately, I still think Hermy is back next season.

[stormshadow19]

Call it the optomist in me.

Besides, after the sh*tty month I've had, I have to look foward to something.

[bitonti]

i've watched Watson alot and if you compare him to the 265 pound glorified LBs that Lloyd Carr wants to start at DT then yeah he's somewhat lazy.

but cmon the guy is 350 pounds he's not going to run around the field like a gazelle.

im telling ya the stereotype with fat players is that they are lazy. Read Sam Adams entry in draft guides from years ago he sounds like the laziest fat bastard around. I mean cmon if they weren't so lazy why would they be so fat?

Watson will have to make an adjustment that nearly every college player has to make in terms of renewing his work ethic and putting in the time like he has never done before to compete in the NFL. My point is that every player has those questions. You can measure speed, strength, hand size, head size, shoe size but you can't measure the player's character. you can't measure work ethic. no one can, it's the variable that makes the draft so great.

I can't say that I've been in the workout rooms with Gabe Watson but just by watching him play I am confident he has what it takes to be a pro.

[stormshadow19]

Well, I do admit that Lloyd Carr is an idiot. As is his entire coaching staff. That school gets top ten talent, every year, and they suck.

[bitonti]

Well, I do admit that Lloyd Carr is an idiot. As is his entire coaching staff. That school gets top ten talent, every year, and they suck.

agreed. I honestly don't know why he hasn't been fired already. The man has the makings of the best defense in the country and they can't stop anyone.

[stormshadow19]

agreed. I honestly don't know why he hasn't been fired already. The man has the makings of the best defense in the country and they can't stop anyone.

Michigan's athletic department has a way to staying true to the "Michigan" way, so to speak. Lloyd is a link to Bo. Lloyd has been at the school longer than most of us have been alive. And, he doesn't out and out embarass the school (though, I feel losing 4 games, with this amount of talent, is disgusting).

[MiamiJet]

Michigan's athletic department has a way to staying true to the "Michigan" way, so to speak. Lloyd is a link to Bo. Lloyd has been at the school longer than most of us have been alive. And, he doesn't out and out embarass the school (though, I feel losing 4 games, with this amount of talent, is disgusting).

So true, so true....

I like Watson and would love to see him in Green, but I don't trust Herm. Seriously. Were it Lovie Smith, maybe, but then again, Smith does not like the widebody DT, he prefers the Tommie Harris, Leroi Glover 295 lb type.

[bitonti]

I like Watson and would love to see him in Green, but I don't trust Herm. Seriously.

Herm is not the reason James Reed gets blocked into the second row on short yardage plays. Reed is a converted linebacker.

Edwards doesn't primarily coach the defensive tackle positions he mostly delegates that responsibility to Denny Marcin and Donnie Henderson, both are capable assistants... a damn sight better than Ruben Carter and Ted Cotrell.

[MiamiJet]

Herm is not the reason James Reed gets blocked into the second row on short yardage plays. Reed is a converted linebacker.

Edwards doesn't primarily coach the defensive tackle positions he mostly delegates that responsibility to Denny Marcin and Donnie Henderson, both are capable assistants... a damn sight better than Ruben Carter and Ted Cotrell.

Very true, Bit, Marcin makes a huge difference. Last year, when Fergie was here, DRob played lights out and showed improvement. Fergie is a much better player than Pouha or Reed.

Would you trust Watson to develop here the way some of our younger players have performed? I think the grades are mixed, especially on offense, but maybe things would be different were Watson drafted. He would have DRob to play alongside, but he would also have the expected growing pains of the position.

I don't know. I just look at some of the other DTs on teams and I see how they've developed, and I look at DRob. I guess he has the added burden of not only being drafted so high, but also having so much invested in him.

I expected a bit more of Pouha, but realistically, my expectations might have been a bit too high. Watson is more talented and a better player, so maybe his performance would also be better. I probably shouldn't have thrown that at herm's feet, ebcause he does have little to do with the D, or at least, with the coaching of the D. Damn, that sounds bad...

[stormshadow19]

Very true, Bit, Marcin makes a huge difference. Last year, when Fergie was here, DRob played lights out and showed improvement. Fergie is a much better player than Pouha or Reed.

Would you trust Watson to develop here the way some of our younger players have performed? I think the grades are mixed, especially on offense, but maybe things would be different were Watson drafted. He would have DRob to play alongside, but he would also have the expected growing pains of the position.

I don't know. I just look at some of the other DTs on teams and I see how they've developed, and I look at DRob. I guess he has the added burden of not only being drafted so high, but also having so much invested in him.

I expected a bit more of Pouha, but realistically, my expectations might have been a bit too high. Watson is more talented and a better player, so maybe his performance would also be better. I probably shouldn't have thrown that at herm's feet, ebcause he does have little to do with the D, or at least, with the coaching of the D. Damn, that sounds bad...

And, apparently, he has very little to do with the offense. So, I ask... what does Herm do, exactly?

[Preston Howley III]

Bitonti, I'm with you. But you know Bradway is just going to follow his "big board" and he'll draft an "impact player" in round one and he'll go DE or LB in round two (He'll tell us "he was BAP").

I have no doubt Bradway will fck this draft up. With rare exception, he always waits until day two to draft "beef". The last time he drafted an O-lineman on day one was 5 years ago-

Kareem McKenzie. Arguably his best draft pick (Vilma the other one).

You'd think he would have taken his head out of his *ss by now, and drafted more "beef" on day one, but he follows his big board like he's in a trance.

[mr nyjet]

Bitonti, I'm with you. But you know Bradway is just going to follow his "big board" and he'll draft an "impact player" in round one and he'll go DE or LB in round two (He'll tell us "he was BAP").

I have no doubt Bradway will fck this draft up. With rare exception, he always waits until day two to draft "beef". The last time he drafted an O-lineman on day one was 5 years ago-

Kareem McKenzie. Arguably his best draft pick (Vilma the other one).

You'd think he would have taken his head out of his *ss by now, and drafted more "beef" on day one, but he follows his big board like he's in a trance.

he was able to gravy-train off tuna's players for 4 years, but free lunch is over. this season you got a good look at dumbway's competance in his job.

[Smizzy]

The Jets need to get bigger. PERIOD.

this is my draft hope -

a scenario where they take a top tackle in the first such as Marcus McNeil:

and this behemoth in the second:

Max Jean Gilles: Georgia

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Hello? who can sign for 700 pounds of beef to be delivered to Weeb Ewbanks Hall care of Doug Marrone?

Post Of the YEAR! forget week. I am all aboard this beef wagon!!

[Ranger]

Gabe Watson is still a first rounder on my board. Also Peter King made him his #5 overall prospect in the country not too long ago.

But i hear what you are saying and let me just say if that monster falls to the Jets in the high second I will be doing cartwheels. he is exactly the type of big body that they need next to DROB. he is not lazy it is just the perception since he is 350 pounds. Look at old draft profiles of ted washington and sam adams the same flaw is there - "they could eat themselves out the league." Obviously a player needs to work hard to be successful in the NFL that applies to 350 pounders the same as it applies to 250 pounders.

I haven't seen Michigan for most of the season, but from what I have seen of the Michigan/Nebraska game, Gabe Watson looks like a steaming pile of cow dung. He isn't even the best DT on the team. #80 a sophomore was. Can't say I am sold on Watson.

[bitonti]

Gabe Watson looks like a steaming pile of cow dung. He isn't even the best DT on the team. #80 a sophomore was. Can't say I am sold on Watson.

I think he's having a pretty decent game. This is Gabe Watson's game, between the hash marks. He's been getting very good pressure. You want someone to chase guys all over the field that's not his game. In a rotation, he will stay in the middle and stuff the run get occasional push.

Moses

why draft a huge 340 pound on the first day when you can start Steve Morely or Jon Goodwin for quality guard play?? Brandon Moore hasn't been good at all this season.

It's not Terry's style to draft beef he probably wants to take Eric Winston cause he's from the U over McNeil... or Brick.

If Las Vegas was setting odds on who the Jets would draft my guess is Brick would be the place to lay money. They need OT Terry hopefully knows that much... I'm saying make this team bigger in both trenches if possible.

[Bugg]

And, apparently, he has very little to do with the offense. So, I ask... what does Herm do, exactly?

All true, Bit. But as with many of his guys, Bradway has been extolling the virtues of James Reed since the day he first drove onto Hofstra's campus. Another case of Bradway falling in love with a guy and refusing to admit the mistake and dump him.

This is where the rubber meets the road. And Bradway doesn't get the idea of what a guy is worth; he just wants them-Pouha, Thomas, Pagel, McGraw, numerous DBs, et al. Thomas might even be a decent player, but he had no business beging a 1st rounder.

[Ranger]

I think he's having a pretty decent game. This is Gabe Watson's game, between the hash marks. He's been getting very good pressure. You want someone to chase guys all over the field that's not his game. In a rotation, he will stay in the middle and stuff the run get occasional push.

I will admit I did not see most of the game as I had to go to work (where I am at right now). I did notice Nebraska did not run up the middle at all. I watched Gabe get double teamed mostly when he was playing and didn't get driven back, but he did not provide a push either. Is it possible, Gabe Watson could be this years Albert Means.

[bitonti]

Is it possible, Gabe Watson could be this years Albert Means.

ouch! i still like Albert Means!

[Barton]

Is max jean giles athletic enough to play in a zone blocking scheme?

Brandon Moore is still young, and while he's not an immovable object, he's not very athletic, and it has caused him to give up some sacks in this zone blocking scheme.

[Brenjetsfan]

I am with you Bit....F BUSH...

Show me the BEEF. I just love those BEEFY BOYZ