Stonehands Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 According to my inside sources: Browns fan here... I've watched every snap of Gordon, most on coaches film, and I can tell you that at least football wise, the guy is easily worth a top 10 overall pick. His hands are not outstanding (not bad overall) and he's not one of those guys that goes up and takes the ball away from 3 defenders like Calvin Johnson. But outside of that, he is Calvin Johnson. He's one of those rare guys that looks like he's moving 3/4 speed all the time, but he's cruising past fast corners. He gets tons of room on slants because they are scared to death of him. He restructures the defense. The QB play in Cleveland has been as bad as anywhere in the league the entire time he's been here, that's the only reason he isn't putting up insane numbers. Folks thinking this gets done with a couple 3rd's or a second-- the ONLY way that happens is if the Browns already believe he's headed for a year off. Just with the between the lines stuff, and considering he's already developed nicely out of his rookie year and has all of his rookie (2nd round) contract left, easily worth a top 10. Figure the purple drank discount from that, but figure in that he seems to be a good locker room and press guy which is fairly rare for a real #1WR. Just chiming in so you guys don't hang yourself if you end up giving a first. I think whatever WR you would draft with that next year would have less potential and just as much risk. --and just so you don't think I'm a Cleveland guy overvaluing our own talent, I would have taken a 3rd or even 4th for Trent Richardson, who is physically talented but simply has no understanding of what NFL holes are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Browns fan here... I've watched every snap of Gordon, most on coaches film, and I can tell you that at least football wise, the guy is easily worth a top 10 overall pick. His hands are not outstanding (not bad overall) and he's not one of those guys that goes up and takes the ball away from 3 defenders like Calvin Johnson. But outside of that, he is Calvin Johnson. He's one of those rare guys that looks like he's moving 3/4 speed all the time, but he's cruising past fast corners. He gets tons of room on slants because they are scared to death of him. He restructures the defense. The QB play in Cleveland has been as bad as anywhere in the league the entire time he's been here, that's the only reason he isn't putting up insane numbers. Folks thinking this gets done with a couple 3rd's or a second-- the ONLY way that happens is if the Browns already believe he's headed for a year off. Just with the between the lines stuff, and considering he's already developed nicely out of his rookie year and has all of his rookie (2nd round) contract left, easily worth a top 10. Figure the purple drank discount from that, but figure in that he seems to be a good locker room and press guy which is fairly rare for a real #1WR. Just chiming in so you guys don't hang yourself if you end up giving a first. I think whatever WR you would draft with that next year would have less potential and just as much risk. --and just so you don't think I'm a Cleveland guy overvaluing our own talent, I would have taken a 3rd or even 4th for Trent Richardson, who is physically talented but simply has no understanding of what NFL holes are. Good post, man. Thanks. Are you guys ready to lynch Lombardi yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peebag Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 I have a hard time giving away a 1st round pick on a receiver, let alone one with Gordon's rap sheet. This team is not one player away from competing for a championship. Keep the picks and proceed with the rebuild. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh4dy15 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 I have a hard time giving away a 1st round pick on a receiver, let alone one with Gordon's rap sheet. This team is not one player away from competing for a championship. Keep the picks and proceed with the rebuild. I know I'm definitely in the minority here but they may not be 1 player away but they might be 2 players away. You put a #1 WR and a true #1 TE and this is a completely different offensive team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizard King Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 I know I'm definitely in the minority here but they may not be 1 player away but they might be 2 players away. You put a #1 WR and a true #1 TE and this is a completely different offensive team. You could put Nicks, Cruz, Tony Gonzalez and Adrien Peterson out there and it wouldn't matter. We have a young QB who is still learning the game and how to maintain a pocket. He's getting there tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bupalos Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Good to hear that but he is an incident away from being suspended for a year. That is scary because it seen he can't stop smoking weed. This is true, but most Rookie WR's are a year of development away from knowing whether they are an asset or a waste anyway. The risk here is real, I do think his behavior says addict to me. But it still isn't any higher than the risk of a bust at #15 overall or whatever (cf. Richardson, Trent), and you won't even have to pay him as much as you would said bust. Personally, I'd rather the browns just keep him. I'm just letting you know that this "who is he? I'll be mad if they give a 4th" stuff is way off base. I think Josh Gordon has a pretty good chance to be one of the 5 best receivers in the league. He might be that now, it's kind of hard to know without a QB to throw him the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bupalos Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Good post, man. Thanks. Are you guys ready to lynch Lombardi yet? There was a ton of hate coming in based on his last tenure here and douchey persona on ESPN. But it's kind of hard to argue with the moves so far. The Mingo pick looks good and the Richardson thing was bold and absolutely the right thing to do (complete robbery in retrospect--kudos to them for just watching the tape rather than the commercials). And he was on record hating Weeden which didn't take a genius but has of course since proved out. But no question that guy is going to get lynched the first wrong move he makes. Gordon for a 2 or 3 would probably be that move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 ^^^^^^^ is really Hess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRJETS Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 This is true, but most Rookie WR's are a year of development away from knowing whether they are an asset or a waste anyway. The risk here is real, I do think his behavior says addict to me. But it still isn't any higher than the risk of a bust at #15 overall or whatever (cf. Richardson, Trent), and you won't even have to pay him as much as you would said bust. Personally, I'd rather the browns just keep him. I'm just letting you know that this "who is he? I'll be mad if they give a 4th" stuff is way off base. I think Josh Gordon has a pretty good chance to be one of the 5 best receivers in the league. He might be that now, it's kind of hard to know without a QB to throw him the ball. I agree with you, I rather have the Browns keep him and instead trade Jordan Cameron to us. I don't think this organization can go on with another skill WR being a head case. Don't get me wrong, I will be on board if Idzik throw away a third for Gordon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bupalos Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 I agree with you, I rather have the Browns keep him and instead trade Jordan Cameron to us. I don't think this organization can go on with another skill WR being a head case. Don't get me wrong, I will be on board if Idzik throw away a third for Gordon. I'd value Gordon over Cameron especially with the contract status. But with the drug risk, it's fairly close. Gordon isn't your usual "headcase" WR. He's nice and humble and says all the right things. He just has this little habit... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yanks9596 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Our most glaring weakness is at WR. We have not had a young, stud #1 WR in eons. Josh Gordon represents exactly that. Who in the league has greater potential to become a top 5 WR in the league than Josh Gordon? Not many. He is only 22 and already flashed brilliance on an NFL field with garbage throwing him the football. The kid can be a great one. I would do what it takes (within reason) to make it happen. I see Coples as an expendable piece right now. The guy does not have a position on this team and has looked sluggish this year. If CLE is interested, I'd offer him and a 3rd, and prob go as high as a 2nd. WE NEED A BIG TIME WIDEOUT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh4dy15 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 You could put Nicks, Cruz, Tony Gonzalez and Adrien Peterson out there and it wouldn't matter. We have a young QB who is still learning the game and how to maintain a pocket. He's getting there tho. There's no way to ever know so its dumb to argue but I disagree. That team would probably be undefeated at this point since Geno wouldn't be throwing as much and he would have guys that can actually catch the ball more consistently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenseed4 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 I agree with you, I rather have the Browns keep him and instead trade Jordan Cameron to us. I don't think this organization can go on with another skill WR being a head case. Don't get me wrong, I will be on board if Idzik throw away a third for Gordon. Every WR1 in the NFL worth rostering is a headcase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 ^^^^^^^ is really Hess let it go. He's like a kid that closes his eyes and thinks you can;t see him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Browns fan here... I've watched every snap of Gordon, most on coaches film, and I can tell you that at least football wise, the guy is easily worth a top 10 overall pick. His hands are not outstanding (not bad overall) and he's not one of those guys that goes up and takes the ball away from 3 defenders like Calvin Johnson. But outside of that, he is Calvin Johnson. He's one of those rare guys that looks like he's moving 3/4 speed all the time, but he's cruising past fast corners. He gets tons of room on slants because they are scared to death of him. He restructures the defense. The QB play in Cleveland has been as bad as anywhere in the league the entire time he's been here, that's the only reason he isn't putting up insane numbers. Folks thinking this gets done with a couple 3rd's or a second-- the ONLY way that happens is if the Browns already believe he's headed for a year off. Just with the between the lines stuff, and considering he's already developed nicely out of his rookie year and has all of his rookie (2nd round) contract left, easily worth a top 10. Figure the purple drank discount from that, but figure in that he seems to be a good locker room and press guy which is fairly rare for a real #1WR. Just chiming in so you guys don't hang yourself if you end up giving a first. I think whatever WR you would draft with that next year would have less potential and just as much risk. --and just so you don't think I'm a Cleveland guy overvaluing our own talent, I would have taken a 3rd or even 4th for Trent Richardson, who is physically talented but simply has no understanding of what NFL holes are. Hello Brother!! Go Browns!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 let it go. He's like a kid that closes his eyes and thinks you can;t see him. BUT I WANT TO SEE HIM!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Hello Brother!! Go Browns!!! ^^^^ talking to himself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 ^^^^ talking to himselfdont scare my new BFF away. You have Crusher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 ^^^^ talking to himself Irony! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 ^^^^^^^ is really Hessive never written a post that long in my life. He's the smart one. I'm the cool one. We're like a two headed brown monster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 dont scare my new BFF away. You have Crusher. Whatever, Norman Bates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeC36 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 ive never written a post that long in my life. He's the smart one. I'm the cool one. We're like a two headed brown monster. I thought I was your brown monster? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 ive never written a post that long in my life. He's the smart one. I'm the cool one. We're like a two headed brown monster. Like a turd worm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbanmadmike1 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Oh twitter and your bullsh*t rumors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 I thought I was your brown monster? That was before bu came along. Sorry. I'm a slut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeC36 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 wow. way to be. consider this the last correspondence we ever have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Guys, relax. What Crusher and I have is special. It cant be duplicated. You cant force these things. Our love blossomed organically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Guys, relax. What Crusher and I have is special. It cant be duplicated. You cant force these things. Our love blossomed organically.gross. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Back on track while you guys go off in a corner alone somewhere-Idzik has shown he will try to rebuild by not rushing things- I do not see him making a trade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 So, not so close? There's a shock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Guys, relax. What Crusher and I have is special. It cant be duplicated. You cant force these things. Our love blossomed organically. But you can literally spend years forcing all the guys on the interwebz to listen to you yammer on about it, eh? Crusher likes me better than you, it's not even close. You're just going to be the last to find out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Hello Brother!! Go Browns!!! Playing with yourself? AGAIN!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19andOhWait Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 I would trade a 3rd for Josh in a heartbeat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 ive never written a post that long in my life. He's the smart one. I'm the cool one. We're like a two headed brown monster. I left one of those in the toilet this morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Guys, relax. What Crusher and I have is special. It cant be duplicated. You cant force these things. Our love blossomed organically. Organically sounds too much like CTM and he ruins everything. Let's go with candy coated and smothered in bacon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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