Scott Dierking Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 It's only GM'ing in hindsight if you thought trading Revis was a great move. They will have 50 mil in cap space when this is all said and done they had room for the best cornerback in football, what they lacked was the will to pay him. Bit you yourself admitted that paying Revis 16mill would be a bad move. Do you believe he would have given the Jets a discount after this year? Do you believe he would have foregone the chance at FA? Honestly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 When you adjust for the fact that nothing is ever his fault, Rex is technically undefeated as a head coach. this is a hilarious statement but Rex's real stats are actually good. He's one of the few Jets coaches over .500 historically. He's the Jets all time playoff wins leader. His defenses routinely rank in the top 5. This is a good NFL HC coach, by any standard. The type of guy who gets another job 5 minutes after he's fired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 (edited) Bit you yourself admitted that paying Revis 16mill would be a bad move. Do you believe he would have given the Jets a discount after this year? Do you believe he would have foregone the chance at FA? Honestly? the Jets are the 6th seed right now. as Mos Def said, Tomorrow may never come. For you and me, life is not promised. we don't have to worry about 2014 and 2015 and 2016 all that matters is today. to answer your question they could have worked something out. The reason why Revis got 16 mil is because TB was willing to pay him that... without that buyer on the market it's possible he has to take less. but if the Jets go on a deep playoff run in 2013 and lose Revis "for nothing" that's ok. They sure could use him right now. Edited November 22, 2013 by bitonti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 this is a hilarious statement but Rex's real stats are actually good. He's one of the few Jets coaches over .500 historically. He's the Jets all time playoff wins leader. His defenses routinely rank in the top 5. This is a good NFL HC coach, by any standard. The type of guy who gets another job 5 minutes after he's fired. Just because the Jets franchise has had a history of being below mediocre, that you reward mediocrity. Good is the enemy of Great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 the Jets are the 6th seed right now. as Mos Def said, Tomorrow may never come. For you and me, life is not promised. we don't have to worry about 2014 and 2015 and 2016 all that matters is today. to answer your question they could have worked something out. The reason why Revis got 16 mil is because TB was willing to pay him that... without that buyer on the market it's possible he has to take less. Teams that don't worry about 2014, 20115 and 2016 are doomed. That gets GMs fired Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whodeawhodat Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 look at the jets roster. If you think that there is a HC that could do better with this roster, well, there arent many. We are fortunate. I hope Rex gets the chance to compete next year AND the year after with the hopefully improved roster. He is still learning and will get his mistakes corrected. now lets go get a damn snack! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 this is a hilarious statement Thanks! He's one of the few Jets coaches over .500 historically. Yes, let's extend Rex because Rich Kotite was a failure. He's the Jets all time playoff wins leader. The most hallowed record in North American professional sports His defenses routinely rank in the top 5. This is a good NFL HC coach, by any standard. The type of guy who gets another job 5 minutes after he's fired. His career winning percentage is .531, which ranks 14th among current head coaches, and 74th all time. For a guy who demands ACCOUNTABILITY from any player who didn't put up a sick combine workout, you sure are willing to embrace mediocrity at head coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 (edited) Just because the Jets franchise has had a history of being below mediocre, that you reward mediocrity. Good is the enemy of Great. Take the Jets out of it, right now Rex is 14th among active head coaches in winning percentage (not career winning percentage, just in their current job) which means Andy Reid is 1st with a 9-1 record. Edited November 22, 2013 by bitonti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 but if the Jets go on a deep playoff run in 2013 and lose Revis "for nothing" that's ok. This is retarded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 (edited) His career winning percentage is .531, which ranks 14th among current head coaches, and 74th all time. For a guy who demands ACCOUNTABILITY from any player who didn't put up a sick combine workout, you sure are willing to embrace mediocrity at head coach. dude we both quoted the same stat to make different points. 14th is pretty good. If the QB was 14th in QB rating we'd be cooking with sauce. Firings should occur when a coach is clearly in the bottom tier not just in the middle for s&g's. It's not like you can just go the coach store and pick up bill bellichek. Whoever they replace Rex with, it's guaranteed will not be 14th in winning percentage. if this team had employed Bill Cowher hed have been fired in year 4. Coaches coach and players play and it's not an accident that Bill Cowher couldn't win with Kordell Stewart but he could with Big Ben. It's not like his coaching got better. Edited November 22, 2013 by bitonti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 This is retarded. they drafted Dee milliner who is worthless. why is nothing so bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 dude we both quoted the same stat to make different points. 14th is pretty good. If the QB was 14th in QB rating we'd be cooking with sauce. Firings should occur when a coach is clearly in the bottom tier not just in the middle for s&g's. It's not like you can just go the coach store and pick up bill bellichek. Whoever they replace Rex with, it's guaranteed will not be 14th in winning percentage. if this team had employed Bill Cowher hed have been fired in year 4. Coaches coach and players play and it's not an accident that Bill Cowher couldn't win with Kordell Stewart but he could with Big Ben. It's not like his coaching got better. The line is trending downward. Over the last two seasons, Rex is 11-15. I get that he doesn't have a QB, and that sucks, but this idea that Rex is just a winny winner who wins is pure fantasy. Bill Cowher's first four years: 11-5, 9-7, 12-4, 11-5 (AFC champions). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Of course it's inflated by the pick sixes. But that number is still pretty terrible. Also, our offense helps the defense out in yards if you want to be technical... Other teams always playing with a short field. Pick sixes even keep their offense off the field. Very imperfect stat, still telling. Aw c'mon. If you take away the points not scored on the defense, the Jets are giving up 23.3 a game which would be good for 14th on the list. Not great, but hardly "telling." That isn't really fair because I didn't bother to subtract points scored against other team's offenses and specials and I'm sure those teams had some. It also doesn't account for things like the 5 yard TD "drive" that Tampa had or the Alonso's INT in the first Bills game which resulted in another 3 points after a 4 yard "drive" by the Bills. Those are just from memory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexiRoll6 Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 The line is trending downward. Over the last two seasons, Rex is 11-15. I get that he doesn't have a QB, and that sucks, but this idea that Rex is just a winny winner who wins is pure fantasy. Bill Cowher's first four years: 11-5, 9-7, 12-4, 11-5 (AFC champions). You got it man. Since the AFC loss to Pittsburgh, Rex's record is 19-23 going into what will be a loss in Baltimore, but not included in that record yet. Rex is definitely trending downward. He is on his SECOND rookie QB. Usually in the 'normal' NFL not the world of the Jets ruled by a Turnip, if a coach drafts a QB with the fifth pick in the draft he goes as his QB goes and we all KNOW how Sanchez has gone. Rex was arm in arm with Tannenbaum on ALL these bust draft picks. Look at how terrible this secondary is with TWO first round picks on hand. Rex simply cannot judge talent on the NFL level and the Jets will NEVER WIN A SB WITH REX RYAN AS HC. If mediocrity is what you strive for and accept then Rex is your guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 It's only GM'ing in hindsight if you thought trading Revis was a great move. They will have 50 mil in cap space when this is all said and done they had room for the best cornerback in football, what they lacked was the will to pay him. Which, judging by Revis's performance and it's relative impact on Tampa Bay, was the right move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Aw c'mon. If you take away the points not scored on the defense, the Jets are giving up 23.3 a game which would be good for 14th on the list. Not great, but hardly "telling." That isn't really fair because I didn't bother to subtract points scored against other team's offenses and specials and I'm sure those teams had some. It also doesn't account for things like the 5 yard TD "drive" that Tampa had or the Alonso's INT in the first Bills game which resulted in another 3 points after a 4 yard "drive" by the Bills. Those are just from memory. 14th is le suck if you are a defensive mastermind who is trying to undermine the current scoring trend in the NFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacked4JetsFB Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 14th is le suck if you are a defensive mastermind who is trying to undermine the current scoring trend in the NFL. Ecspecially if you have five first round draft picks on that unit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Ecspecially if you have five first round draft picks on that unit. It's, uh, six first rounders when you include GOAT nickel corner Kyle Wilson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacked4JetsFB Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 It's, uh, six first rounders when you include GOAT nickel corner Kyle Wilson. Not enough! Players play and coaches coach. When Rex has 10 first rounders on his d it will be dominating! Bank! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TechJet Posted November 24, 2013 Share Posted November 24, 2013 Even though he is a good players coach and motivator..... 1. The Jets are and have always been terrible after a big win. 2. He has no clue about the offensive side of the ball. 3. He falls in love with players and ignores when they underperform. 4. Makes a comment like "maybe we'll play cover-2 all game"...actually, is it me, or do the Jets have defensive personel that even Herm Edwards would have succeeded with. I bet the Jets could play the tampa two with the best of them right now, meanwhile were leaving guys like Milliner and Cro on islands? WTF? A starting four man front of Wilkerson, Richardson, Harrison and Coples (with Pace, Ellis and Douzable rotating) would stop the run and pressure the QB. Play two LBs Harris and Davis and 5 DBs - Allen, Reed and Landry at S, Milliner and Cro at CB - that would make for an interesting version of the cover2. 5. In the end, I think Rob Ryan is a better DC and has historically done more with less talent. Lastly, we all know he's not getting fired after the season...but if he did - whose the new coach? I vote for Lovie Smith and keep Mohrinweg. Five reasons why this thread belongs in the garbage dump! 1. Garbage 2. Nonsense 3. Foolishness 4. Writer dosen't have a clue 5 .Writer dosen't know NFL football Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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