unbanmadmike1 Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 (edited) on one hand Rex knows nothing about offense and doesn't even watch it. On the other hand he picked Sanchez. Everything that has been written about that draft says rex pushed for and was in love with Sanchez. All lies? That alone is enough to fire him. Edited November 18, 2013 by unbanmadmike1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 Everything that has been written about that draft says rex pushed for and was in love with Sanchez. All lies? how can a man be so clueless and disinvolved with the offense that he's pushing for a trade up to get Sanchez to be the FQB? One of those statements has to be false. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 how can a man be so clueless and disinvolved with the offense that he's pushing for a trade up to get Sanchez to be the FQB? One of those statements has to be false. He actually was involved with the offense early (partly to the team's demise). If you did not read how enamored Rex was with Sanchez, and how much he liked the kid as a pick, the articles are out there. Rex sure did talk a big game, even before he coached one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiF Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 Yet his teams win. How do they do that? Doesnt turn the ball over, hands the ball off really well and lets their D win games. Weird. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiF Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 I have always been a big Rex supporter. Rex has done more with terrible QB play than most coaches could ever dream of doing, it's pretty much undeniable. That said, my biggest problem with Rex is that we are deep into year 5, and our QB situation is dreadful. I don't think Rex has ever believed he needs a top flight QB to win a SB. He is so egotistical about his defense, he really believes that an average offense will net him a SB. While I think he is a top flight Defensive mind, I question whether or not he has really adapted to the modern NFL. Now you can say this is the job of the GM, and while I agree, the HC absolutely must be screaming for a QB until he gets one. What we have seen is the opposite, he was not only content with Sanchez, but seemed to stand up for him. I honestly believe we think Rex would do great with a decent QB, but he thinks I would do great if I had a better secondary to go along with my great line. The HC absolutely has to take some heat for the offensive situation after 5 years. If he cannot recognize that his GM is not getting an offense in place that can win, he needs to demand it. But Rex is fine with it as long as he gets corners and lineman. I don't see how even the greatest Rex supporters in the world (Jif and JF80) miss this point, and deflect blame on the offense to everyone but Rex. 5 years off having the worst Qb in the league and you really dont think Rex gets that you need a good QB? Okay.... He knows damn well he'd have multiple SB's with a real QB. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 Doesnt turn the ball over, hands the ball off really well and lets their D win games. Weird. Think coaching that mentality had anything to do with his development? No coincidence. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbanmadmike1 Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 Doesnt turn the ball over, hands the ball off really well and lets their D win games. Weird. And this year he's got the best RB in the NFL and a very good D. That will do it most times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SayNoToDMC Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 Name the last team to win without 3 first round picks on the D line? and Rex has then paying pretty well. I think it's a big ridiculous not to give him at least 5 more years to work out the kinks and maybe Idzuck will give him a few players to help his secondary. Rex can't cover receivers and coach Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 And this year he's got the best RB in the NFL and a very good D. That will do it most times. If you teach your qb the importance of ball security. It i s a teachable tool. If you focus and obsess on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 Think coaching that mentality had anything to do with his development? No coincidence. Dude, you can't be ******* serious with this sh*t. Alex Smith? GTFO with this bullsh*t already. You want to fire Rex? Fine, but Dave & Buster's makes more sense than the fact that Alex Smith can win games in this league, especially from you spouting that you NEED O and can't win the big one with just D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 Rex can't cover receivers and coach is it too much to ask his DB's to cover receivers then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 Name the last team to win without 3 first round picks on the D line? and Rex has then paying pretty well. I think it's a big ridiculous not to give him at least 5 more years to work out the kinks and maybe Idzuck will give him a few players to help his secondary. Rex can't cover receivers and coach The Jets need to keep firing coaches every 5 years cause that's the key to success in the NFL. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbanmadmike1 Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 If you teach your qb the importance of ball security. It i s a teachable tool. If you focus and obsess on it. True but it's not enough. You can't have long term success or playoff success with the Alex Smith gameplan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbanmadmike1 Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 The Jets need to keep firing coaches every 5 years cause that's the key to success in the NFL. Keeping the wrong coach isn't the key to success either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiF Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 (edited) Think coaching that mentality had anything to do with his development? No coincidence. You mean hiding him? Sure. Edited November 18, 2013 by JiF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 Dude, you can't be ******* serious with this sh*t. Alex Smith? GTFO with this bullsh*t already. You want to fire Rex? Fine, but Dave & Buster's makes more sense than the fact that Alex Smith can win games in this league, especially from you spouting that you NEED O and can't win the big one with just D. When Rex actually did "Red Yellow, Green" with Sanchez, it actually worked for a while. The point is, coaches can win with less than premiere qb's, it is not impossible. But you also have to preach mistake free. Granted, it is not the preferred mode, but Rex is not the only hamstrung coach without a qb (and part of that fault may reside with him). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 (edited) Keeping the wrong coach isn't the key to success either. The "Right" coach won't take this job cause this job sucks. Period. All i hear from people is how Rex should be fired but who would want this job, sharing a stadium, in a media market full of vipers, with no QB and a meddlesome owner? This job is awful and this team is historically a joke. meanwhile by winning percentage, Rex is the second best coach in Jets history behind Tuna.(if you throw out Groh's 1 year). He has the most playoff wins too. Let's talk about the context, define success and let's also talk about why 5-5 with this roster is grounds for firing. and then let's talk about the realistic alternatives. bottom line the only people who want this job are first time head coaches or hopeless retreads. HC Marty Morninwheg anyone? Edited November 18, 2013 by bitonti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 The "Right" coach won't take this job cause this job sucks. Period. All i hear from people is how Rex should be fired but who would want this job, sharing a stadium, in a media market full of vipers, with no QB and a meddlesome owner? This job is awful and this team is historically a joke. meanwhile by winning percentage, Rex is the second best coach in Jets history behind Tuna.(if you throw out Groh's 1 year). He has the most playoff wins too. Let's talk about the context, define success and let's also talk about why 5-5 with this roster is grounds for firing. and then let's talk about the realistic alternatives. bottom line the only people who want this job are first time head coaches or hopeless retreads. HC Marty Morninwheg anyone? .531 is not making anyone salivate. If yo u accept mediocrity, you will continue to receive it back. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 this team is historically a joke. meanwhile by winning percentage, Rex is the second best coach in Jets history behind Tuna.(if you throw out Groh's 1 year). He has the most playoff wins too. umm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 The Jets need to keep firing coaches every 5 years cause that's the key to success in the NFL. Keeps everyone on their toes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 Keeps everyone on their toes. There is a shelf life on coaches. Players coaches more so. You can see the expiration mark tattooed on their shoulders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbanmadmike1 Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 The "Right" coach won't take this job cause this job sucks. Period. All i hear from people is how Rex should be fired but who would want this job, sharing a stadium, in a media market full of vipers, with no QB and a meddlesome owner? This job is awful and this team is historically a joke. meanwhile by winning percentage, Rex is the second best coach in Jets history behind Tuna.(if you throw out Groh's 1 year). He has the most playoff wins too. Let's talk about the context, define success and let's also talk about why 5-5 with this roster is grounds for firing. and then let's talk about the realistic alternatives. bottom line the only people who want this job are first time head coaches or hopeless retreads. HC Marty Morninwheg anyone? The Saints were a laughingstock when Payton took that job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SayNoToDMC Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 is it too much to ask his DB's to cover receivers then? Have you seen them? Yes it is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoicsentry Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 (edited) Rex's weaknesses: anything offense, anything special teams, clock managment, time out and challenge management, and team motivating I list motivation in both because we routinely see him get the team way up for one game, then they come out dead flat for another. He's got this team bipolar in that regard. Let's talk about the challenge part of that. Besides our personal feelings, how do we know that challenges are a weakness for Rex? I couldn't find this stat anywhere, but I'd like to know what Rex's % is for his career vs. the league average over that time. I'm guessing that this is not really a weakness for him, and that he's about average in this category. The only thing I was able to dig up on this was this outdated article. If you scroll down, you'll see that Rex was 3 for 9 (33%) on challenges in 2010, which was well below average that year (though not the worst). But before you leap to conclusions, it also shows 2011, where he was 9 for 10 (90%), the highest percentage in the league that year for coaches that threw at least 2 challenge flags. Edited November 18, 2013 by stoicsentry 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 The Saints were a laughingstock when Payton took that job. Yeah, but New Orleans isn't a DEN OF INIQUITY like New York. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kleckineau Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 Any coach who pays more attention to signing a washed up safety as opposed to game planning and motivating his players in the week leading up to his teams biggest game of the year deserves to be kicked to the curb. This was the Steelers playoff game all over again. He is a waste of a HC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 .531 is not making anyone salivate. If yo u accept mediocrity, you will continue to receive it back. Jets are 5-4: Let's wait until the end of the season. Jets lose to Bills: Rex must be fired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 Jets are 5-4: Let's wait until the end of the season. Jets lose to Bills: Rex must be fired. Where have I said that Rex needs to be fired today. You obviously have to wait until the end of the season. Today is just axe sharpening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 There is a shelf life on coaches. Players coaches more so. You can see the expiration mark tattooed on their shoulders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 The Saints were a laughingstock when Payton took that job. who is the Drew Brees that is gonna get signed next year and rescue the franchise? Jay Cutler ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 who is the Drew Brees that is gonna get signed next year and rescue the franchise? Jay Cutler ? So the Jets are f'ed because we do not have Drew Brees, and that is why we should retain Rex? What are you trying to say? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbanmadmike1 Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 who is the Drew Brees that is gonna get signed next year and rescue the franchise? Jay Cutler ? If I knew i should be the coach. They need to hire someone who's qualified to pick that guy because they don't have anyone now who is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 So the Jets are f'ed because we do not have Drew Brees, and that is why we should retain Rex? What are you trying to say? the dude brought up Sean Payton, who arrived and signed Drew Brees. It was literally his first move and the move that was most important to turning that franchise around. I want to know who the next Drew Brees is, in this mental exercise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 If I knew i should be the coach. They need to hire someone who's qualified to pick that guy because they don't have anyone now who is. I think it's overly hopeful to assume that guy exists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbanmadmike1 Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 I think it's overly hopeful to assume that guy exists. So stop trying to get anything more than a horrible QB? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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