deucebag Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 With all his skills why has he never won it all. Stubbornly stuck with mcNabb and now looks to Alex Smith to be a game manager - what if Reid had a franchise QB? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 (edited) In a sense this is a good comparison. When a coach is as good at offense as Andy Reid is, or as good at defense as Rex Ryan is... they cease to be "just coordinators." They earn a HC's salary for their far-higher-than-normal proficiency with the gameday stuff. Designing the plays, calling the plays etc. People want to imagine the HC can hype up a team Al Pacino style in Any Given Sunday and that they lost cause the HC taking them to Dave and Busters is why. I guess we'll never know but the perfect shouldn't be the enemy of the good. Edited November 18, 2013 by bitonti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 The obvious difference being that current NFL rules make having The Rex Ryan Of Offense way more valuable than having The Andy Reid Of Defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizard King Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 Wait a second.. Andy Reid fired Marty Mornhinweg! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SayNoToDMC Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 (edited) Really? Reid seems like way more of a complete coach than Ryan. His defense is better than ours with Bob Sutton this year. He also prepares his team's given a bye week Edited November 19, 2013 by SayNoToDMC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Was Herm Edwards the defensive Huckleberry Hound? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 With all his skills why has he never won it all. Stubbornly stuck with mcNabb and now looks to Alex Smith to be a game manager - what if Reid had a franchise QB? I thought McNabb was considered a Franchise QB? No? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kleckineau Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Was Herm Edwards the defensive Huckleberry Hound? Yes, and Rex is more of the offensive Foghorn Leghorn type. Ah say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 With all his skills why has he never won it all. Stubbornly stuck with mcNabb and now looks to Alex Smith to be a game manager - what if Reid had a franchise QB? Are you serious? McNabb was a franchise QB. McNabb had a stretch from about 02-06 where he was arguably the best QB in the league. He only played with a Pro Bowl caliber receiver for one year during his prime and he came within seconds of winning the SB that year against a bunch of cheating scumbags. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Are you serious? McNabb was a franchise QB. McNabb had a stretch from about 02-06 where he was arguably the best QB in the league. He only played with a Pro Bowl caliber receiver for one year during his prime and he came within seconds of winning the SB that year against a bunch of cheating scumbags. I think Reid made McNabb look better than he was. Not to mention Terrell Owens. At some point McNabb became a fat slob yet that team kept winning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Really? Reid seems like way more of a complete coach than Ryan. His defense is better than ours with Bob Sutton this year. He also prepares his team's given a bye week He also has significantly better talent at the second and third level on D than Ryan has. Can you imagine the Jets defense if you added Tamba Hali and Eric Berry? No one would ever score on us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 (edited) The obvious difference being that current NFL rules make having The Rex Ryan Of Offense way more valuable than having The Andy Reid Of Defense. Sadly you may be right. Our next HC will most certainly be offense-minded. But Darrell Bevell/Jon Gruden aren't the answer to anyone but T0mShane. I wonder who Idzik will target as his guy if/when the time comes. Edited November 19, 2013 by Jetsfan80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Sadly you may be right. Our next HC will most certainly be offense-minded. But Darrell Bevell/Jon Gruden aren't the answer to anyone but T0mShane. I wonder who Idzik will target as his guy if/when the time comes. Still not sure how you and Gato can be so certain Bevell sucks (beyond a natural compulsion to disagree with whatever Tom says), but yeah, I guess. The Gruden thing is a joke, btw. No sane person wants him within a hundred miles of Florham Park. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Still not sure how you and Gato can be so certain Bevell sucks (beyond a natural compulsion to disagree with whatever Tom says), but yeah, I guess. The Gruden thing is a joke, btw. No sane person wants him within a hundred miles of Florham Park. No sane person wants Gruden off of MNF. His crazed stupidity is extremely entertaining. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Still not sure how you and Gato can be so certain Bevell sucks (beyond a natural compulsion to disagree with whatever Tom says), but yeah, I guess. The Gruden thing is a joke, btw. No sane person wants him within a hundred miles of Florham Park. The fact that Shane wants Gruden makes me question his evaluation of Bevell. Bevell is an offense-minded guy who hasn't built a tremendous offense despite having Russell Wilson and Marshawn Lynch. I don't get the idea that he's a slam dunk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 I think Reid made McNabb look better than he was. Not to mention Terrell Owens. At some point McNabb became a fat slob yet that team kept winning. Meh. Owens was the only WR they had for years, and they only had him for a year and a half at that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 The Gruden thing is a joke, btw. No sane person wants him within a hundred miles of Florham Park. This in no way precludes it happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 The fact that Shane wants Gruden makes me question his evaluation of Bevell. When I said "the Gruden thing is a joke," I didn't mean it as "lol what a joke," I meant it as "Tom is joking when he says he wants Gruden." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 No sane person wants Gruden off of MNF. His crazed stupidity is extremely entertaining. +1000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 This in no way precludes it happening. Agreed. If Woody's gonna lose one superstar coach, he's sure as sh*t gonna find another one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 The fact that Shane wants Gruden makes me question his evaluation of Bevell. Bevell is an offense-minded guy who hasn't built a tremendous offense despite having Russell Wilson and Marshawn Lynch. I don't get the idea that he's a slam dunk. I do not want Jon Gruden, turkey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 I do not want Jon Gruden, turkey. "No no no, I don’t think so. You love him." 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 I do not want Jon Gruden, turkey. Liar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 LINK! LINK? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 LINK! LINK? I just posted the picture. Right-click on it, dummy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 I just posted the picture. Right-click on it, dummy. What do I look like, Bill Gates? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 I do not want Jon Gruden, turkey. Yeah OK, how can you turn down that coaching tree? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 What do I look like, Bill Gates? You know perfectly well who you look like, Private Joker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Actually have a picture of T0m when he saw Gruden's coaching tree: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SayNoToDMC Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 He also has significantly better talent at the second and third level on D than Ryan has. Can you imagine the Jets defense if you added Tamba Hali and Eric Berry? No one would ever score on us. Agreed, Rex Just needs more time/high round picks on defense. I don't know why we haven't extended him yet, in a few more years we'll be unstopable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green DNA Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 You know perfectly well who you look like, Private Joker. Matthew Modine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Was Herm Edwards the defensive Huckleberry Hound? Flava Flav of clock management. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kleckineau Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Flava Flav of clock management. Well let me tell you something, I can't be nobody but myself. Ya know what I'm saying? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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