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Not sure how much stock I put into this report... but I thought this would be interesting to get the forums reaction. 

 

From Rotoworld:

 

The Miami Herald hints that 49ers "senior offensive consultant" Eric Mangini could be a possible GM replacement for the Dolphins.

Jeff Ireland would obviously have to get the boot first, but beat writer Armando Salguero composed an interesting list of candidates to replace Ireland. It leads off with Mangini. Owner Stephen Ross reportedly wanted to hire Mangini before the 2011 season, and Ross supposedly "loves" Mangini for reasons Salguero "is not clear on." Word is Mangini wants to get involved in front office operations. Other notable names listed as possible Ireland replacements are ex-Jets GM Mike Tannenbaum, ex-Chiefs GM Scott Pioli, and current assistant GM Brian Gaine.
 

Given the way that Mangini was disliked around here for his time as a coach I am not sure what to make of it. However, its tough not to give him a bit credit for our 2009 and 2010 AFC Championship teams. Don't know that he wouldn't succeed as a personnel guy for them. 

 

Trader Mike on the other hand... I might support that 

 

 

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Names, people to keep in mind in coming days

 

Most of what goes on around a football team happens behind the scenes. Practices are closed. The locker room is closed except for a few minutes a day. Meetings are private. The draft room is off limits. And, of course, the hiring, firing or retaining of coaches and personnel people is way, way out of bounds.

 

(Unless the owner has a helicopter and he lands candidates he's interviewing on the field of the team practice facility).

 

Anyway, all that stuff is behind the iron curtain. But the curtain sometimes has little peepholes and sometimes names get out. And sometimes we learn that what we see in public is only a small fraction of what happened and was considered behind the curtain.

 

So allow me to share with you names of people that have to be swirling in Stephen Ross's head now that he's going to "look at everything," as he said about evaluating the Dolphins future direction:

 

1. Eric Mangini: Ross wanted to hire Mangini prior to the 2011 season but changed course when Jeff Ireland and Tony Sparano balked at the idea. Ross loves Mangini, currently a Senior Offensive Consultant for the San Francisco 49ers, for reasons I am not clear on. Mangini obviously has experience as a head coach as well as defensive coordinator but Ross would not limit the consideration of Mangini to a coaching job. Mangini wanted to drive his career toward the front office and so if Ross fires Jeff Ireland, this is a possible GM replacement. Indeed, even if Ross retains Ireland, Mangini might be brought in to oversee both the coach and general manager. Ireland is no longer in the position of strength he enjoyed in 2011 so he'd be unable to dissuade Ross this time.

 

2. Brian Gaine: He is currently the assistant GM and Ireland's right-hand man. He's an up-and-coming talent to the point he interviewed for the New York Jets GM position a year ago. If Ross decides he wants to or must fire Ireland, it is possible he'd promote Gaine to the job overseeing personnel. It's also possible Ross would give Gaine authority over personnel while still answering to someone such as Mangini or Dawn Aponte or Carl Peterson (more on those two in the coming paragraphs). This is an interesting dynamic because Gaine is a loyal and honorable guy. He might be uncomfortable taking Ireland's post after Ireland promoted him. He might not want to be a personnel man answering to people with limited personnel background. Or he might get the thumbs up from Ireland and be an easy fit.

 

3. Aponte: Do not underestimate her ability to work the system and climb the ladder. She came to the Dolphins as a cap specialist and has ascended to Executive VP of Football Administration. She also bonded with coach Joe Philbin and is one of if not his primary advisor. One of her known goals is to be an NFL general manager. If Ireland is dismissed, she will likely want the job. And although she has zero experience in personnel evaluation, she'll argue she can do the job with the assistance of a savvy talent evaluator at her side -- someone like Gaine. Aponte's name is also being floated around the league office for a possible position there. She worked at the league office for three years. Before that she worked for the Cleveland Browns for a year and the New York Jets for 15 years. She is close with, you guessed it, Mangini -- the former head coach in Cleveland and the Jets.

 

4. Scott Pioli: He helped build the New England dynasty of the early 2000s. He was the GM of a Kansas City franchise whose downfall was not talent but rather coaching and quarterback play. Pioli would be a strong GM candidate if Ross fires Ireland. Like so many of these other folks, Pioli has New York Jets history. It is where he and Bill Belichick linked up prior to their run in New England. It must be said, Pioli would typically not be a GM candidate unless he can bring his own head coach. That's how he did it in Kansas City. But as GM jobs are scarce now -- only one GM so far has been fired this offseason -- Pioli might be willing to accept working with Joe Philbin for a year before making a decision to retain or jettison him after 2014.

 

5. Peterson: He has been and remains a friend and advisor to Ross. If Ross decides he wants to go back to the football czar dynamic -- one in which a guy like Peterson oversees the daily workings of the head coach and GM and reports those directly to the owner -- then Peterson would be a candidate. As you know, Ross does not want to fire either Jeff Ireland or Joe Philbin. He didn't plan to fire either Ireland or Philbin as late as a week ago before the season-defining collapse. So maybe the owner's answer to all this is give both Ireland and Philbin a "Make the playoffs in 2014 or bust" ultimatum while King Carl oversees their every move.

 

6. Mike Tannenbaum: Another person with New York Jets connections. What do you expect from an owner that lives in New York and whose group of advisors include former Jets employees? If Ross doesn't want to promote Aponte to GM she might bolt to the league office if that opportunity pans out. Tannebaum, the former Jets GM, would be a capologist answer in Miami. This would particularly be the case if Ireland is fired and Mangini comes to town. Tannenbaum and Mangini were a team with the Jets from 2006-2008 until Tannenbaum whacked his friend in order to save his own job. (That's the NFL, folks).

If you'll notice there are a lot of New York Jets connections here. It probably makes Dolphins fans quesy because it's the Jets and, after all, their Super Bowl drought is longer than Miami's so what makes those folks so smart?

But here's the thing: Ross has multiple Jets people around him now.

 

L. Jay Cross is the President of Related Hudson Yards and is leading the Related Companies' project on the west side of New York City. Ross is founder and chairman of Related. Cross was president of the New York Jets from 2000-2008.

 

Matt Higgins was the New York Jets' executive vice president Business Operations from 2004 through early January 2012. He left the team to co-found RSE Ventures, a tech company charged with getting fans closer to sports and entertainment events. The co-founder and chairman of RSE? Stephen Ross.Higgins was a valued advisor to Jets owner Woody Johnson during his time with the Jets. When Ross came out of the Dolphins locker room on Sunday he was accompanied by, you guessed it, Matt Higgins.

 

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I mean, just look at the incredible job he did building Cleveland.

 

There was actually a pretty solid collection of talent in Cleveland, and I honestly don't think he had the same amount of influence on the GM there as he did here with Mike.

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I've been wondering this for a while, but where did this complete fabrication come up about Mangini's supposed talent as a personnel evaluator?  It seemed to appear out of thin air, with no evidence to support it, back when everyone was trying to find every excuse in the world to make sure Tanny was not given a single shred of credit for anything, back when we all desperately wanted to see him fired.  That said, Mangini's career was as a one-year DC before becoming Jets HC and I'm not sure where this supposed brilliance is evidenced in those Jets' drafts.

 

Mangini's first year in NY, the Jets had 10 draft picks and admittedly hit on a LT at #4 overall and an interior lineman at the end of the first round.  After that, the next 8 picks saw 2 returner / wildcat players and a pile of hot garbage.  In year 2, Revis was obviously a great pick and Harris solid as well, but they burned nearly their entire allotment of draft picks on those two players despite a ton more holes to fill (as the 2007 season evidenced).  In year 3 they got a whole lot of nothing, with that entire draft being off the team and most of them completely out of the league.

 

Don't get me wrong, I don't even blame Mangini for this because I don't buy this theory that he was really the Jets GM in disguise, but I'm saying even if you want to go with that assumption, I don't know what exactly was so impressive about it anyway.

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In "Collisions" Revis is quoted as saying Mangini was such a negative nasty a-hole he came to almost hate football and considered retirment. Recall the collapse of the Favre year. I can see where Ryan for players is perferable, but this guy's sour personality is not going to fly any more.It's a lomg, physical season; having a coach of GM who haranges people on a daily basis gets old fast. If you're gonna be a hardass you  had better win immediately. , and almost every branch of the Bellicheat tree(MCDaniel, Mangini, Pioli, Demtiroff, Crennel, Weis) so far has come up rotten spare O'Brien as a college coach.

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They can have Tannenbaum. Mangini wasn't a great coach but, believe it or not, would probably make a good FO guy.

As a coach Mangini didn't realize that when it comes to how to treat players, guys like Parcellsand Belichick can get away with things that younger, newer coaches can't.

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There was actually a pretty solid collection of talent in Cleveland, and I honestly don't think he had the same amount of influence on the GM there as he did here with Mike.

 

You're serious? His drafts were terrible (other than Haden and Ward) so maybe he's got an eye for secondary talent but the rest of his picks were laughable.  I think there's litearlly 3 players still in the league out of the 12-14 picks he had.  And his idea of building consisted of trading the Jets for all their sh*tty players so they could move up and get Sanchez with the 5th pick.

 

The guy's terrible.

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In "Collisions" Revis is quoted as saying Mangini was such a negative nasty a-hole he came to almost hate football and considered retirment. Recall the collapse of the Favre year. I can see where Ryan for players is perferable, but this guy's sour personality is not going to fly any more.It's a lomg, physical season; having a coach of GM who haranges people on a daily basis gets old fast. If you're gonna be a hardass you  had better win immediately. , and almost every branch of the Bellicheat tree(MCDaniel, Mangini, Pioli, Demtiroff, Crennel, Weis) so far has come up rotten spare O'Brien as a college coach.

 

To be fair, Weis led ND to back to back BCS Bowl Games his first two years so I wouldn't get overly excited about O'Brien just yet. 

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I agree...possibly. But some of the horror stories I read coming out of Cleveland...I don't how much of that was him per se, but hopefully he's learned from some really terrible mistakes concerning team morale and the like..

 

I am reading Collision Low Crossers and there was a story about him interviewing Dwane Brown at the combine. I dont want to "spoil" what happen. but as you can imagin it was not good.. Just doesn't sound like some one leading your organization.   

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Bleedin Green, on 31 Dec 2013 - 3:02 PM, said:

I've been wondering this for a while, but where did this complete fabrication come up about Mangini's supposed talent as a personnel evaluator?  It seemed to appear out of thin air, with no evidence to support it, back when everyone was trying to find every excuse in the world to make sure Tanny was not given a single shred of credit for anything, back when we all desperately wanted to see him fired.  That said, Mangini's career was as a one-year DC before becoming Jets HC and I'm not sure where this supposed brilliance is evidenced in those Jets' drafts.

 

Mangini's first year in NY, the Jets had 10 draft picks and admittedly hit on a LT at #4 overall and an interior lineman at the end of the first round.  After that, the next 8 picks saw 2 returner / wildcat players and a pile of hot garbage.  In year 2, Revis was obviously a great pick and Harris solid as well, but they burned nearly their entire allotment of draft picks on those two players despite a ton more holes to fill (as the 2007 season evidenced).  In year 3 they got a whole lot of nothing, with that entire draft being off the team and most of them completely out of the league.

 

Don't get me wrong, I don't even blame Mangini for this because I don't buy this theory that he was really the Jets GM in disguise, but I'm saying even if you want to go with that assumption, I don't know what exactly was so impressive about it anyway.

Excellent post - agree 100%. Adding to this, Brick was a no brainer pick and a lot of "experts" will tell you never to take a center or guard in the 1st round. I laugh at how much credit Mangini all of the sudden gets around here and more than anything it fits the anti Rex and anti Tanny agendas.

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I am reading Collision Low Crossers and there was a story about him interviewing Dwane Brown at the combine. I dont want to "spoil" what happen. but as you can imagin it was not good.. Just doesn't sound like some one leading your organization.   

Saw an old OSU game on the Big Ten Network a few weeks ago. The OSU LBs were Carpenter, Hawk and the Boar Hunter. You know who Mangini picked. I understand you do not want a team full of Pacmans and Kenny Britts and potential 3AM phonecalls, but sometimes you have to deal with talent even if the person is an idiot. Mangini will never do that. And that approach is not realistic, especially when you piss off gamers like Revis. Really, we might not like the guy, but his level of prep and concentration are second to no one Mangini was breaking his balls.

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There was a bio from that tight end someone posted a few months back (it was a great read) who was in the Cleveland camp and got cut, and boy, did he have brutal things to say about Mangini - players really hated him. I guess he is the anti-Rex. Everybody loves Rex but we have no discipline, and Mangini is the opposite..

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You're serious? His drafts were terrible (other than Haden and Ward) so maybe he's got an eye for secondary talent but the rest of his picks were laughable.  I think there's litearlly 3 players still in the league out of the 12-14 picks he had.  And his idea of building consisted of trading the Jets for all their sh*tty players so they could move up and get Sanchez with the 5th pick.

 

The guy's terrible.

 

LOL such a chump, you are.

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Praise Rex, but trash Parcells and Mangini.

/JetsFans

 

Incessantly whine about Rex, fabricate that by mentioning his name people were trashing Parcells, take issue with trashing an awful former head coach in Mangini who you also trashed previously, simply because he's not the guy you currently want to whine about.

 

/T0mShane

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Incessantly whine about Rex, fabricate that by mentioning his name people were trashing Parcells, take issue with trashing an awful former head coach in Mangini who you also trashed previously, simply because he's not the guy you currently want to whine about.

/T0mShane

I certainly didn't trash Mangini. I thought he got shafted. It's amusing the pro-Rex movement wants to laud Rex for going 8-8 (with every one of those wins ring totally! legitimate!), but will discount that Mangini went 10-6 his first year and 9-7 his last year, then got fired. Did the players hate Mangini when they were 8-3, or only when they went 4-12? It's all so confusin' how good coachin' works.

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I certainly didn't trash Mangini. I thought he got shafted. It's amusing the pro-Rex movement wants to laud Rex for going 8-8 (with every one of those wins ring totally! legitimate!), but will discount that Mangini went 10-6 his first year and 9-7 his last year, then got fired. Did the players hate Mangini when they were 8-3, or only when they went 4-12? It's all so confusin' how good coachin' works.

Mangini wasn't a good coach. No confusion there.

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