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Jay Cutler resigns with the Bears(7 years)


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You make your own luck. I don't understand how anyone that follows football, can pick and choose when luck is or is not part of what it takes to win. Luck plays a big part of EVERY game. Good teams, good players...  capitalize on it.

Yeah but still, the Jets really only won six games this season.

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 This bullsh*t about who drafted who holds no merit AT ALL. .... I highly doubt Idzik falls into that category. If he did He would have been pulling for Rex's dismissal and brought in his own guy

Respectfully,I disagree. A GM giving His Guy preference, happens all the time in the NFL. GM's are judged on the success of the team AND the quality of the talent they bring in. Sanchez has SUCKED, is derided by the fans, and for the most part lost the backing of his teammates. Are you telling me Sanchez is the best available QB on the FA market? Time to move on.

 

How can Idzik fire Rex, if the owner, who still owes him a years salary, wants him back along with the majority of the fans. He buys himself another year as a GM if Rex fails while he tries to rebuild the roster. No playoffs next yr. then he brings in his guy.

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Respectfully,I disagree. A GM giving His Guy preference, happens all the time in the NFL. GM's are judged on the success of the team AND the quality of the talent they bring in. Sanchez has SUCKED, is derided by the fans, and for the most part lost the backing of his teammates. Are you telling me Sanchez is the best available QB on the FA market? Time to move on.

 

How can Idzik fire Rex, if the owner, who still owes him a years salary, wants him back along with the majority of the fans. He buys himself another year as a GM if Rex fails while he tries to rebuild the roster. No playoffs next yr. then he brings in his guy.

 

Actully booz they are judged on wins and losses and nothing else. If you drafted a QB who did not perform and had the balls to go back to the other guy and succeed then you my friend made the right call and saved your job. I just think because a GM feels he must stay with a guy he drafted rather than with a previous pick he had nothing to do with, is a myth the media pushes and quite honestly a GM being that stupid deserves to get fired. I have heard Casserly talk about this very issue and he built a talented team in Houston for sure and failed on some of his picks . Winning is everything. My Rex example was a bad one.

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You make your own luck. I don't understand how anyone that follows football, can pick and choose when luck is or is not part of what it takes to win. Luck plays a big part of EVERY game. Good teams, good players...  capitalize on it.

The Giants facing elimination both years got some pretty huge breaks both during the season and in the playoffs. Yes I agree luck is part of winning but the Giants had that luck actually deciding games for them and in some cases outright elimination and that's not mentioning a few of the prayers ELI threw up in the SB win vs the Pats I felt like I was watching Angels in the outfield :) Oh and I hate the Giants with a passion so theres  that too :)

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Yeah, so.... I don't have any way to answer your question.

 

Also, I never said anything about a TE. I think people advocating a TE in round 1, are assuming Geno + a veteran free agent will be on the roster next year, and the need for play makers is real. TE is one of the easiest positions to create mismatches in the game right now, if you have the right type of athlete playing that position.

My apologies. I checked the other thread and it was JiF who was advocating for TE, wr, wr in the first 3 rounds. Must be the Coors Lite is catching up with me. Scary huh?

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FWIW, there's a Jets angle here. The Titans were all set to make a run at Cutler this offseason after not picking up Jake Locker's option. Now it looks like Tennessee will definitely be drafting QB, which drives another skill position player down.

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Oh Sorry, as I saw your approval to a draft that showed the Jets taking a TE in the 1st round and 2 wrs in the next 2 rounds. Look, I LOVE Eric Ebron, the dude is a freak, but not with Geno tossing it to him.

 

Sorry, but I am a firm believer in getting the Gunslinger first, and then finding the targets later, and I dont beleve our targets are as bad as everyone states, as I believe with A QB who can actually play the position, Kerley and Holmes etc. would have respectable numbers,

 

Yeah, I never said any of this.

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The Giants facing elimination both years got some pretty huge breaks both during the season and in the playoffs. Yes I agree luck is part of winning but the Giants had that luck actually deciding games for them and in some cases outright elimination and that's not mentioning a few of the prayers ELI threw up in the SB win vs the Pats I felt like I was watching Angels in the outfield :) Oh and I hate the Giants with a passion so theres  that too :)

 

Rex's Jets never get those illustrious 2 AFCC game losses without some luck getting to that game twice in the first place. Then without those 2 AFFCC game losses, we don't have another year of Rex to look forward to... SEE HOW LUCKY WE ARE??

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What all you Sanchez Haters going to do when the Jets cut Sanchez and re sign him ? Because if the Jets do not target a QB in this up coming draft no way they are going to take the chance Sanchez goes to a team with some talent the starter gets hurt and Sanchez steps in and plays well. He's got a year in the offense and 5 years EXP Its a real possibility he comes back on the cheap/

 

Not saying I want this to happens for the teams sake but it is a very real possibility. I would not mind watching you guys jump off a cliff would make the trolling possibilities endless :)

 

I do not understand this line of thinking and if our GM thinks like this he should be fired immediately.  This team should only worry about itself and take one game at a time.  Sign the QBs that will give you the best chance to win.  The idea that they should worry about a player performing well elsewhere is moronic, as is all the fear of cutting guys who might end up on the Pats or 'phins.  **** them.  Worry about us. 

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Meh, as bad as Cutler can be, he also makes a lot of "wow" throws that made it difficult for a team like the Bears to just let him walk. They barely missed the playoffs with their 1st-time HC and may just be a few pieces away from being a title contender. You don't start over with a rookie QB if you're trying to seize your window. And this deal doesn't preclude them from taking a flyer on a QB in the later rounds. They could just tell Jay "Look, it's your show, but we know you have an injury history. This is just another Josh McCown insurance policy, who we're ditching to the curb this offseason."

In the NFL today you don't need an elite QB, just a QB who, when you get to the postseason, has a high ceiling and can get hot. It worked for the Ravens with Flacco, who I would put at the same level as Cutler.

I was surprised about it being 7 years.

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Overthecap.com's thoughts on the Cutler deal and lack of a QB marketplace:

 

http://overthecap.com/jay-cutler-gets-paid-thoughts-bears-big-moves/

 

The Chicago Bears were a busy team today re-signing starting QB Jay Cutler, G Matt Slauson, and CB Tim Jennings. With the exception of the Oakland Raiders the Bears had the smallest committed roster in the NFL in 2014 with 28 unrestricted free agents as of two weeks ago. The Bears have now reduced that number to 23 following the singings of these three players to follow up the extensions of K Robbie Gould and FB Tony Fiammetta towards the end of the season.

 

The reason I would assume that these three signings took place this week instead of last week was the lack of 2013 salary cap space that the Bears had. Prior to the Gould and Fiammetta signings, Chicago only had $1.7 million in cap room. Any contracts signed prior to the end of the regular season that contained signing bonuses would see the bonuses prorate in 2013, which the Bears would not have had room to use. While option bonuses could have been used for 2014 those do not give the team the same protection when it comes to forfeiture clauses.

 

The rapid extension of Cutler was a bit surprising. Most, myself included, assumed they would have franchised Cutler and potentially shopped him to the highest bidder. To me Cutler is a tough player to judge. He has a tremendous arm but that arm has not translated into wins or statistics, but he has been compromised by a poor performing offensive line and terrible receiving corps. until this season.

 

Terms of the deal are unknown but his teammate Brandon Marshall seemed to indicate it was 7 years for $18 million a season and it was also reported that he would earn $54 million in the first three years of the contract. Those numbers are essentially identical to the numbers of Tony Romo’s contract with Dallas which was a 6 year, $18 million a year extension with $54 million in the first three years.

 

That seems like an incredibly steep price for Cutler who has not played 16 games since 2009. He has failed to throw for more than 3300 yards since the 2009 season, though his 238 yards per game in 2013 was his highest total since 2008. By contrast Romo’s lowest total was 255 yards a game, which happened this season. There are better statistical measures to compare the two which can at least paint Cutler in a better light if he threw the ball more often, which I would guess is something that the Bears believe he can do with Marc Trestman as head coach. If you want a comparison of Cutler with Romo prior to this year you can do so by checking out this link to an earlier article I wrote.

 

I have to assume because of the injury history that a significant amount of money in this contract is tied to being active on gameday. Aaron Rodgers, the highest paid QB in the NFL, has such bonuses in his deal. The length of the deal is likely an indication of two things. One is that significant money is tied in the final two years of the contract and the second is that there will be possible bonuses paid out in year 2 and 3 of the contract that can be prorated for cap relief.

 

Like the Romo contract its probably best for the Bears, who were going to enter the year with about $36 million in cap space, to simply have base salary in those years and consider prorating it later on once they determine how much cap room is truly needed in 2015 and 2016. Provided that the salary is not fully guaranteed upon signing that can also provide some relief if Cutler does not develop  as expected or is injured and you want to negotiate the price tag down.  That also helps in trade talks in the event another QB emerges from nowhere to take a job when someone is injured.

 

Romo’s contract contains $54 million over the first three years but then just $14 million in year 4 to bring his 4 year total to $17 million season before the salaries rise again in the 5th and 6th seasons of the contract, two years that he will likely never see. I have to think the cash flows for Cutler would be very similar with a year 4 number that is very affordable and drags the 4 year annual value down to Romo’s level or below. Considering his is 7 years I would also think that the 5 year annual value could be $17 million or less as he should be earning less than Romo and perhaps that was the compromise the two sides reached.

 

Cutler’s contract also illustrates the lack of NFL talent at the QB position in the NFL and how the CBA has re-shuffled money so poorly to the QB that even questionable QB’s that have talent and a pedigree will be rewarded. This contract has to make Alex Smith, Ben Roethlisberger, Eli Manning, and Phillip Rivers very happy as they prepare for potential extensions in the next two years. Teams realize if they don’t have a high draft pick the odds of finding a championship caliber QB are almost nil so its best to stick with what you have if your QB has a pulse.

 

Free agency for the QB position is non-existent. With Cutler gone from the market the next best available player will likely be Matt Schaub who should be released by the Texans. Given the lack of options even coming off a terrible season it may help him get a modest salary. Beyond Schaub is Matt Cassel, who can void the remaining year of his contract in February, and the pure free agents of the always injured Mike Vick and Jaguars starter Chad Henne. Its an awful marketplace.

 

The re-signing of Slauson and Jennings is a solid move for the team. Slauson was an underrated guard of the Jets who fell out of favor with Rex Ryan and the front office for reasons unbeknownst to me. He is a tough player who helped solidify what had been a terrible line for Chicago. He played for about $820,000 in 2013 and had another $585,000 in available incentives but his goal was to play for a home and he has now found one. Slauson will just be 28 years old next season so Chicago should have him for the prime of his career.

 

Jennings is a quality veteran cornerback that has been productive in the Bears defense. He made the Pro Bowl in 2012 and is a player capable of creating interceptions which is always a trait teams pay for. There is always the possibility of a cornerback playing Safety on the backend of the contract making a four year contract a solid investment.

 

The next question for Chicago may be what to do with QB Josh McCown who excelled against an easy schedule in the offense this season. Given Cutler’s injury history it would seem smart to keep McCown who should be one of the more sought after backup QB’s on the market despite being 35 next season. The Bears can’t sign to a new contract worth more than the minimum until March due to his playing on a minimum salary benefit qualifying contract but they could agree in principle on a new contract and then wait until the start of the new League Year to execute the deal. He’ll likely be able to push for a Kyle Orton style contract worth in the $3 million a year range.

 

Chicago still has a number of free agents to decide on as well as a possible extension  for WR Brandon Marshall, who is entering the final year of his contract. The Bears should also negotiate with DE Julius Peppers to see how open he is to a pay reduction. Peppers is slated to earn $14 million in 2014 with a cap figure of $18.183 million. Releasing Peppers frees up $9.8 million in cap room. If he were to agree to a salary of about $6 million the cap hit for Peppers should be about equal to what it would cost to release him and sign a replacement player worth $2 million to take his spot. Considering he could have upside that is a price that may be worth considering.

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I do not understand this line of thinking and if our GM thinks like this he should be fired immediately.  This team should only worry about itself and take one game at a time.  Sign the QBs that will give you the best chance to win.  The idea that they should worry about a player performing well elsewhere is moronic, as is all the fear of cutting guys who might end up on the Pats or 'phins.  **** them.  Worry about us. 

Ahh I get it ...so no one on this forum bashed the Jets for losing players who excelled elsewhere nor has the media ? Of course this has no effect on our owner either. This is about Mark Sanchez in your world not about what people say. I know you were around for James Farrior, Jon Vilma were you here for Terrance Mathis ? Not comparing that talent to Sanchez just a few examples because in reality Sanchez could go elsewhere and completely fall on his face.

 

Put that aside for a minute .... Just so your aware if the Jets DO NOT pick a QB in the upcoming draft they will be re signing Mark Sanchez at a reduced salary . I'm not saying that's what I want to happen but the possibility exists.... so in that case I guess in your world Idzik should be fired even if Idzik feels most of Marks issues had to do with poor coaching and lack of talent and bad influence around him as a young player. Is it possible to think Idzik may feel Mark got a bum deal or is that just Impossible ? Plenty of analysts out there who were on the Mark has crappy talent around him bandwagon including some previous GM's.

 

I guess we will know soon enough

 

And keep in mind most of the FA vet QB's out there have failed with much better talent available to them than we have had here for years so they wont come here and do much of anything. In that case It might be better to have a guy here like Sanchez who is familiar with the offense.

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Rex's Jets never get those illustrious 2 AFCC game losses without some luck getting to that game twice in the first place. Then without those 2 AFFCC game losses, we don't have another year of Rex to look forward to... SEE HOW LUCKY WE ARE??

 

yes I know and I agree the Jets did have an element of luck in the fact that the Colts Sat Peyton Manning and things like that. But in all honestly I'm not trying to compare the 2 teams situations. The Giants brand of luck came at critical times in the 4th Quarter that won them games so it was a little different.

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Ahh I get it ...so no one on this forum bashed the Jets for losing players who excelled elsewhere nor has the media ? Of course this has no effect on our owner either. This is about Mark Sanchez in your world not about what people say. I know you were around for James Farrior, Jon Vilma were you here for Terrance Mathis ? Not comparing that talent to Sanchez just a few examples because in reality Sanchez could go elsewhere and completely fall on his face.

 

Put that aside for a minute .... Just so your aware if the Jets DO NOT pick a QB in the upcoming draft they will be re signing Mark Sanchez at a reduced salary . I'm not saying that's what I want to happen but the possibility exists.... so in that case I guess in your world Idzik should be fired even if Idzik feels most of Marks issues had to do with poor coaching and lack of talent and bad influence around him as a young player. Is it possible to think Idzik may feel Mark got a bum deal or is that just Impossible ? Plenty of analysts out there who were on the Mark has crappy talent around him bandwagon including some previous GM's.

 

I guess we will know soon enough

 

And keep in mind most of the FA vet QB's out there have failed with much better talent available to them than we have had here for years so they wont come here and do much of anything. In that case It might be better to have a guy here like Sanchez who is familiar with the offense.

 

I'm not sure what any of that has to do with what I am saying.  Sanchez WILL get cut because he is not worth what the Jets have to pay him.  If they re-sign him it had better be because they think he is the best value at QB to help the team and not because they are afraid he might do well elsewhere.  You don't draft a player to keep him off the Pats and you don't waste salary and roster spots to keep guys from doing well elsewhere.  Worry about your house, not anybody else's.  

 

I remember Terrance Mathis.  It was a mistake to let him walk, but it didn't bother me as much as Tony Martin because at least Mathis got a decent FA deal with Atlanta.  They let Martin walk for nothing and he was around forever while the Jets kept a bunch of washed up stiffs. 

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yes I know and I agree the Jets did have an element of luck in the fact that the Colts Sat Peyton Manning and things like that. But in all honestly I'm not trying to compare the 2 teams situations. The Giants brand of luck came at critical times in the 4th Quarter that won them games so it was a little different.

 

The Giants made their own luck.

 

It doesn't say SB XXXXX Champion: Luck

 

They won. It's childish to imply anything else, to be honest. The Patriots had a ton of luck in their SB wins too. Every game has lucky breaks in it, nobody discredits wins for cause of "luck" happening.

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