eboozer Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 http://network.yardbarker.com/nfl/article_external/2014_nfl_mock_draft/14754128?linksrc=story_sport_nfl_right_head_14754128 1/3 Mock has us taking #1- Eric Ebron TE N.C #2- Odelle Beckham WR LSU #3- Bishop Sankey RB Wash The 1/1 Mock has us taking #1 Jace Amaro TE Texas Tech #2- Davante Adams WR Fresno State #3- Odelle Beckham WR WR LSU #4- Ty Zimmerman S Kansas State Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eboozer Posted January 5, 2014 Author Share Posted January 5, 2014 the way the entire 1st round played out, was a bit surprising to me.... eh, their fun to debate and allow us to prognosticate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 I like either way, but think Ebron the more dynamic Offensive threat and better safety valve for a young 'learning mode' Geno. In the 'Jet-way' Idzik keeps preaching I think the tiebreaker between Amaro and Ebron is this scouts comment: "Amaro went through some off-the-field issues in the past." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eboozer Posted January 5, 2014 Author Share Posted January 5, 2014 I like either way, but think Ebron the more dynamic Offensive threat and better safety valve for a young 'learning mode' Geno. In the 'Jet-way' Idzik keeps preaching I think the tiebreaker between Amaro and Ebron is this scouts comment: "Amaro went through some off-the-field issues in the past." which of the 2 Safeties do you like better among the 2 scenarios? Not familiar with either, really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 I like both!! It also gets you thinking...for the people who hate the TE in the first round idea. A couple of things....at least as of right now....if Watkins, Lee, and Evans are already gone....the next tier of WRs might be a slight reach....Jets need to draft weapons period...so, IMO, that narrows the pool down TE or RB....so unless maybe Carey, Amaro or Ebron could be the pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eboozer Posted January 5, 2014 Author Share Posted January 5, 2014 Was surprised to see Odelle slipping to the 3rd in the one scenario. That would be good value in that spot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 The Jets need to do everything they can to get Ha-Ha Dix. Don't know what kind of player he is, but I know the name will provide hundreds of hour's of entertainment on the board Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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HessStation Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 I like either way, but think Ebron the more dynamic Offensive threat and better safety valve for a young 'learning mode' Geno. In the 'Jet-way' Idzik keeps preaching I think the tiebreaker between Amaro and Ebron is this scouts comment: "Amaro went through some off-the-field issues in the past." Taking Ebron over Amaro would be a mistake imo... 62/973/3 vs. 106/1,352/7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 Taking Ebron over Amaro would be a mistake imo... 62/973/3 vs. 106/1,352/7 260 vs. 240 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 260 vs. 240 I would wait for the combine/pro days for exact height and weights but I'm extremely surprised if you put any stock into college weight of a player. Even moreso they're both JRs and have plenty of time to grow into their frames. I would think height, something that can't be changed, would be a more significant metric. So says most sites btw, Amaro is an inch to two inches taller fwiw. At their prospective colleges Ebron played the more protypical TE, whereas in line blocking would be a bigger work in progress for Amaro at the NFL level. But Ebron also has an affinity for easy, concentration drops and Amaro has shown to be the more dynamic weapon for his team than Ebron. To be fair, the offense they play in helps dictate that. Still think Amaro will be the better pro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eboozer Posted January 5, 2014 Author Share Posted January 5, 2014 I would wait for the combine/pro days for exact height and weights but I'm extremely surprised if you put any stock into college weight of a player. Even moreso they're both JRs and have plenty of time to grow into their frames. I would think height, something that can't be changed, would be a more significant metric. So says most sites btw, Amaro is an inch to two inches taller fwiw. At their prospective colleges Ebron played the more protypical TE, whereas in line blocking would be a bigger work in progress for Amaro at the NFL level. But Ebron also has an affinity for easy, concentration drops and Amaro has shown to be the more dynamic weapon for his team than Ebron. To be fair, the offense they play in helps dictate that. Still think Amaro will be the better pro. Amaro= Ertz, Ebron = Whitten. Not looking at performance here, just the type of build/game they possess? Is that a fair correlation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 260 vs. 240 Also, I bet Amaro comes in at 6'5 (although some sites have him at 6'6) and Ebron comes in at like 6'3 (where most have him at 6'4) Just a total guess but Amaro looks a lot longer at least on screen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 Amaro= Ertz, Ebron = Whitten. Not looking at performance here, just the type of build/game they possess? Is that a fair correlation? I don't think comparisons are ever fair. Sometimes it's fun to do it when a prospect reminds you of another and there's a distinct correlation in size and skill set but the above makes no sense. That said, the comparison is in the eye of the beholder so if it does for you go for it. Fwiw, Ertz actually reminds me of Whitten more than Amaro or Ebron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 I would wait for the combine/pro days for exact height and weights but I'm extremely surprised if you put any stock into college weight of a player. Even moreso they're both JRs and have plenty of time to grow into their frames. I would think height, something that can't be changed, would be a more significant metric. So says most sites btw, Amaro is an inch to two inches taller fwiw. At their prospective colleges Ebron played the more protypical TE, whereas in line blocking would be a bigger work in progress for Amaro at the NFL level. But Ebron also has an affinity for easy, concentration drops and Amaro has shown to be the more dynamic weapon for his team than Ebron. To be fair, the offense they play in helps dictate that. Still think Amaro will be the better pro. I don't know much about college football and automatically assumed the bigger guy was the better blocker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 I don't see them taking a RB. the production there on a YPC basis this season was actually excellent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 Ebron has way more bust potential than Amaro IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 Enron has way more bust potential than Amaro IMO. I think Enron goes belly up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 Taking Ebron over Amaro would be a mistake imo... 62/973/3 vs. 106/1,352/7 cant go by that,,different systems, more run vs throw etc etc I trust scouts can see the plays that were on tape and figure out who fits us best,, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 Amaro= Ertz, Ebron = Whitten. Not looking at performance here, just the type of build/game they possess? Is that a fair correlation? Ebron = Graham North Carolina's Eric Ebron could be NFL's 'next great tight end' By Bucky Brooks NFL Media analyst North Carolina tight end Eric Ebron could have a major impact on an offense once he gets to the NFL. In his weekly Scout's Take notebook, former NFL scout Bucky Brooks takes a look at the biggest developments in college football and how the NFL community is reacting to them. Among his topics this week (click on link to take you directly there): The copycat nature of the NFL has prompted several teams to look for an ultra-athletic pass catcher capable of dominating between the hashes. Savvy offensive coordinators are looking to build a dynamic passing game around the next Jimmy Graham or Antonio Gates that enters the league. Based on the buzz circulating in NFL circles, the next great tight end could be North Carolina's Eric Ebron. The 6-foot-4, 245-pound junior is a long, rangy basketball-like athlete with size, speed and agility to overwhelm defenders on the second level. He is simply too fast and explosive for most linebackers to shadow down the seam, but is too big and physical for safeties and nickel corners to hold up in coverage. With such a decided advantage against defenders, Ebron offers offensive coordinators an intriguing option to use to create mismatches in space. Against Miami (Fla.), Ebron's exceptional talent and potential was on display in an eight-catch, 199-yard performance that showcased his versatile skills as a hybrid tight end. He made plays down the seam on vertical routes, while also gaining separation from defenders on short- and intermediate crossing routes. Additionally, Ebron showed the ability to run away from the defense on "catch-and-run" passes, which makes him a dangerous threat in a passing game that places a premium on getting the ball quickly into the hands of playmakers. From a blocking standpoint, Ebron is a sticky blocker capable of battling physical defenders on the edges. Although he isn't the nastiest or most physical blocker at the point of attack, Ebron does a decent job of using body position to stay in front of defenders to seal the edges. Now, he still needs to make major strides to thrive as an end-line tight end at the next level, but he is certainly a functional blocker capable of staying on the field as a "move" tight end in open formations. With Ebron flashing some of the same traits that have made Graham and Gates dominant pass catchers in league where athleticism is valued at the tight end position, the North Carolina standout could emerge as the top tight end in the 2014 or 2015 draft class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizard King Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 The Jets would draft a tight end in a year where they were one of the worst offenses in the NFL and have a dozen draft picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 The Jets would draft a tight end in a year where they were one of the worst offenses in the NFL and have a dozen draft picks. If he's Vernon Davis or anything close, yeah, I'm on board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 Ebron = Graham North Carolina's Eric Ebron could be NFL's 'next great tight end' By Bucky Brooks NFL Media analyst North Carolina tight end Eric Ebron could have a major impact on an offense once he gets to the NFL. In his weekly Scout's Take notebook, former NFL scout Bucky Brooks takes a look at the biggest developments in college football and how the NFL community is reacting to them. Among his topics this week (click on link to take you directly there): The copycat nature of the NFL has prompted several teams to look for an ultra-athletic pass catcher capable of dominating between the hashes. Savvy offensive coordinators are looking to build a dynamic passing game around the next Jimmy Graham or Antonio Gates that enters the league. Based on the buzz circulating in NFL circles, the next great tight end could be North Carolina's Eric Ebron. The 6-foot-4, 245-pound junior is a long, rangy basketball-like athlete with size, speed and agility to overwhelm defenders on the second level. He is simply too fast and explosive for most linebackers to shadow down the seam, but is too big and physical for safeties and nickel corners to hold up in coverage. With such a decided advantage against defenders, Ebron offers offensive coordinators an intriguing option to use to create mismatches in space. Against Miami (Fla.), Ebron's exceptional talent and potential was on display in an eight-catch, 199-yard performance that showcased his versatile skills as a hybrid tight end. He made plays down the seam on vertical routes, while also gaining separation from defenders on short- and intermediate crossing routes. Additionally, Ebron showed the ability to run away from the defense on "catch-and-run" passes, which makes him a dangerous threat in a passing game that places a premium on getting the ball quickly into the hands of playmakers. From a blocking standpoint, Ebron is a sticky blocker capable of battling physical defenders on the edges. Although he isn't the nastiest or most physical blocker at the point of attack, Ebron does a decent job of using body position to stay in front of defenders to seal the edges. Now, he still needs to make major strides to thrive as an end-line tight end at the next level, but he is certainly a functional blocker capable of staying on the field as a "move" tight end in open formations. With Ebron flashing some of the same traits that have made Graham and Gates dominant pass catchers in league where athleticism is valued at the tight end position, the North Carolina standout could emerge as the top tight end in the 2014 or 2015 draft class. I love Bucky Brooks. He's one of my favorites! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 I think Amaro's got more Jimmy Graham in him than Ebron, jmo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 I think Amaro's got more Jimmy Graham in him than Ebron, jmo. I dont think we'll ever seen another Jimmy Graham. He's not really a TE though. Amaro runs like Gronk....deceptively quick out of the slot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 I think you go to the NBA D league and find a 6'7" 245 lb power forward whose career is ending and teach him how to cover TE's. anyone who can move well enough to play in the D league can cover a seam rte or an out rte Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 The Jets would draft a tight end in a year where they were one of the worst offenses in the NFL and have a dozen draft picks. I love me a good TE, but the more I think about it, the more concerned I get about taking one in the first round this year. I don't know why. Have to see what they do in free agency, and what comp picks they wind up getting. I've just about talked myself into trading up for one of the top three WRs, though. With the money they'll have to spend, they may not want to take a dozen players in the draft - only to cut them, or try to store them on the practice squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 I dont think we'll ever seen another Jimmy Graham. He's not really a TE though. yup and ebron played the slot and as a WR many times,,can do it all.. most fluid of the bunch as Bucky notes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 I love me a good TE, but the more I think about it, the more concerned I get about taking one in the first round this year. I don't know why. johnny Mitchell ? kyle brady ? modern offenses have 2 legit TE's. the just have 0. it's a real need Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 Yes, please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eboozer Posted January 5, 2014 Author Share Posted January 5, 2014 I love me a good TE, but the more I think about it, the more concerned I get about taking one in the first round this year. I don't know why. Have to see what they do in free agency, and what comp picks they wind up getting. I've just about talked myself into trading up for one of the top three WRs, though. With the money they'll have to spend, they may not want to take a dozen players in the draft - only to cut them, or try to store them on the practice squad. I would not be opposed to parlaying some of these picks into higher picks next season. Tough to keep all these picks. Pull a Pats/49ers and move some of these 5th and 6th rounders for a 4th and 5th next year. We do have the comp picks to fall back on in the later rounds. All dependent on whether you can deal with someone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 johnny Mitchell ? kyle brady ? modern offenses have 2 legit TE's. the just have 0. it's a real need I loved Johnny Mitchell. It's such a shame he was a headcase. Guy would've been one of the all-time greats. I think it's looking at this year's free agents, and seeing Brandon Pettigrew there, and reading what a disappointment he's been in Detroit - and remembering how much I liked him in the 2009 draft. I don't know if it's a position I'd target in the first round. Like OG, it's a position that devalued in the NFL, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 I think Ebron is far gone before 18. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 I think Ebron is far gone before 18. Absolutely, the dude is a freak, and just starting to scratch the surface of his freakish talents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenseed4 Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 Ebron looks the part, but can't catch. Amaro is the TE equivalent of Jamarcus Russell. We need a playmaker with our first pick, offense or defense, not a plodding TE (who doesn't even block that well, BTW) or an athletic YAC guy who can't catch (we have those on the roster already). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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