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4. Mirror images: Former Jets defensive coordinator Mike Pettine did a nice job in his first season as the Bills' DC. In fact, Buffalo's defensive numbers were almost identical to those of the Jets. Check it out: The Bills allowed 388 points; the Jets 387. The Bills allowed 5,334 total yards; the Jets 5,359. The difference is, the stats represented a one-year improvement for the Bills, who went from 26th to 20th in points allowed and 22nd to 10th in yards allowed. The Jets improved slightly in points allowed (20th to 19th), but dropped in yards allowed (eighth to 11th).

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Bob Sutton could have helped that cause out a lot yesterday, lol.

Losing 2 pro bowlers on that side of the ball during the game has gotta hurt... Not to mention losing Jamaal Charles AND his backup on offense as well. Does definitely make protecting a lead harder.   But, since we are on the subject of the Rex/Jets system, that type of collapse the Chiefs pulled last night was one that I thought only the Jets would ever be capable of. 

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Losing 2 pro bowlers on that side of the ball during the game has gotta hurt... Not to mention losing Jamaal Charles AND his backup on offense as well. Does definitely make protecting a lead harder. But, since we are on the subject of the Rex/Jets system, that type of collapse the Chiefs pulled last night was one that I thought only the Jets would ever be capable of.

Sutton is a Jet for life

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Losing 2 pro bowlers on that side of the ball during the game has gotta hurt... Not to mention losing Jamaal Charles AND his backup on offense as well. Does definitely make protecting a lead harder.   But, since we are on the subject of the Rex/Jets system, that type of collapse the Chiefs pulled last night was one that I thought only the Jets would ever be capable of.

I heard francessa sticking up for his boyfriend Andy Reid on this today ,..IMO a supposedly great coach should be able to protect a 28 point 2nd half lead no matter who goes down.
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I heard francessa sticking up for his boyfriend Andy Reid on this today ,..IMO a supposedly great coach should be able to protect a 28 point 2nd half lead no matter who goes down.

 

Yup.  And Andy Reid is pretty much notorious for bad playoff losses.  So he doesn't exactly get the benefit of the doubt either.

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Love how Geno's pick-6 (or fumble-6) plays are now relevant to the coaching of the defensive players.

 

Yards are about the secondary.  You can have a meh defense and still rank among the very best in yards-surrendered.  Look at the Jets from the past 2 years.  How great did our pass defense look in Herm's last season here? 

 

When a team attempts a lot of passes against your defense, you will (generally) be near the bottom in defensive yards-surrendered. The worst to the best team is maybe 2 yards per play difference.  More attempts = more yards.  It's the Curtis Martin story.  There are obvious exceptions, like the Bengals, but for the most part this is true.  If you are meh (or worse) vs the run, and your offense stinks, then teams are going to eat up lots of clock and pile up fewer total yards than if it's the other way around.  Incomplete passes (30-50% of attempts) stop the clock, and for plays where the clock is kept moving, completed passes go for double the yardage per play of rushing yards.

 

IMO neither defense gets bragging rights for their 2013 performance, save the Jets' rush defense.  And even that was inflated by a couple of fluke or meaningless longer runs (like Reece's run when we played Oakland, or Fred Jackson's the first time we played Buffalo when Richardson thought he was already tackled and celebrated stuffing Jackson before he was down).  Those 2 plays represented like 10% of the rushing yards we gave up on the whole season.  

 

We surrendered a lot more "big plays" than we're used to, and too many for my taste, but if you watch any week-summary highlights on NFLN or ESPN, it happens in almost every game.  Still, it was painful watching Marvin Jones rack up yards (not to mention four - FOUR!! - TDs) like he was an all-time great in his prime, catching passes from an all-time great QB.

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Love how Geno's pick-6 (or fumble-6) plays are now relevant to the coaching of the defensive players.

 

Yards are about the secondary.  You can have a meh defense and still rank among the very best in yards-surrendered.  Look at the Jets from the past 2 years.  How great did our pass defense look in Herm's last season here? 

 

When a team attempts a lot of passes against your defense, you will (generally) be near the bottom in defensive yards-surrendered. The worst to the best team is maybe 2 yards per play difference.  More attempts = more yards.  It's the Curtis Martin story.  There are obvious exceptions, like the Bengals, but for the most part this is true.  If you are meh (or worse) vs the run, and your offense stinks, then teams are going to eat up lots of clock and pile up fewer total yards than if it's the other way around.  Incomplete passes (30-50% of attempts) stop the clock, and for plays where the clock is kept moving, completed passes go for double the yardage per play of rushing yards.

 

IMO neither defense gets bragging rights for their 2013 performance, save the Jets' rush defense.  And even that was inflated by a couple of fluke or meaningless longer runs (like Reece's run when we played Oakland, or Fred Jackson's the first time we played Buffalo when Richardson thought he was already tackled and celebrated stuffing Jackson before he was down).  Those 2 plays represented like 10% of the rushing yards we gave up on the whole season.  

 

We surrendered a lot more "big plays" than we're used to, and too many for my taste, but if you watch any week-summary highlights on NFLN or ESPN, it happens in almost every game.  Still, it was painful watching Marvin Jones rack up yards (not to mention four - FOUR!! - TDs) like he was an all-time great in his prime, catching passes from an all-time great QB.

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Love how Geno's pick-6 (or fumble-6) plays are now relevant to the coaching of the defensive players.

 

Yards are about the secondary.  You can have a meh defense and still rank among the very best in yards-surrendered.  Look at the Jets from the past 2 years.  How great did our pass defense look in Herm's last season here? 

 

When a team attempts a lot of passes against your defense, you will (generally) be near the bottom in defensive yards-surrendered. The worst to the best team is maybe 2 yards per play difference.  More attempts = more yards.  It's the Curtis Martin story.  There are obvious exceptions, like the Bengals, but for the most part this is true.  If you are meh (or worse) vs the run, and your offense stinks, then teams are going to eat up lots of clock and pile up fewer total yards than if it's the other way around.  Incomplete passes (30-50% of attempts) stop the clock, and for plays where the clock is kept moving, completed passes go for double the yardage per play of rushing yards.

 

IMO neither defense gets bragging rights for their 2013 performance, save the Jets' rush defense.  And even that was inflated by a couple of fluke or meaningless longer runs (like Reece's run when we played Oakland, or Fred Jackson's the first time we played Buffalo when Richardson thought he was already tackled and celebrated stuffing Jackson before he was down).  Those 2 plays represented like 10% of the rushing yards we gave up on the whole season.  

 

We surrendered a lot more "big plays" than we're used to, and too many for my taste, but if you watch any week-summary highlights on NFLN or ESPN, it happens in almost every game.  Still, it was painful watching Marvin Jones rack up yards (not to mention four - FOUR!! - TDs) like he was an all-time great in his prime, catching passes from an all-time great QB.

 

fwiw- Marvin Jones is going to be a hell of a receiver.

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When you look at defense, the formula is simple, points allowed (not including returns on the offense) and turnovers. .

 

Some teams will give up some yards then they are deadly inside the 20 and tough to score on. Creating turnovers could be the single most important stat in the game. Teams with large numbers on the plus side always equates to winning.

 

I think the Jets have one weakness on defense and that's creating turnovers and some of it might be based on scheme. We do not have a fast edge rusher who can quickly get to a QB and strip him of the ball. QB's can ALWAYS see our pressure coming and cover up the football.  The fact our secondary never looks back for the football because they are always in man to man situations keeps our int's low. You don't get very many Int's In a man to man coverage situation, you have to concentrate on the player your covering you don't have the luxury of Jumping routes OR taking chances like you do in a cover 2 or a zone. 

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When you look at defense, the formula is simple, points allowed (not including returns on the offense) and turnovers. .

 

Some teams will give up some yards then they are deadly inside the 20 and tough to score on. Creating turnovers could be the single most important stat in the game. Teams with large numbers on the plus side always equates to winning.

 

I think the Jets have one weakness on defense and that's creating turnovers and some of it might be based on scheme. We do not have a fast edge rusher who can quickly get to a QB and strip him of the ball. QB's can ALWAYS see our pressure coming and cover up the football.  The fact our secondary never looks back for the football because they are always in man to man situations keeps our int's low. You don't get very many Int's In a man to man coverage situation, you have to concentrate on the player your covering you don't have the luxury of Jumping routes OR taking chances like you do in a cover 2 or a zone. 

 

Turnovers are also luck in a great many cases.  You can claim that yards aren't important, but giving up a lot of yards often equates with getting banged out on TOP.  That is fine if you can score (Pats) but not if you have a Jets level O.  Rex calls specific plays for picks.  It often works (Dallas game in 2012).  I remember a specific call this year where Milliner dropped an easy one.  I think this D will be a monster next year.  The Jets were 31 in turnovers created this year.  In 29th and 30th? The Saints and Chargers.  They were 22nd in INTs, not great, but not bottom of the barrel either.  They were last in fumbles recovered, which a year or two ago there was an article claiming was a pure luck stat. FWIW, the cover 2 can blow me.  

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fwiw- Marvin Jones is going to be a hell of a receiver.

 

Whether he will be or not, he wasn't a hell of a receiver this season, outside of our 1 game.  

 

The thought did cross my mind, though, that it would be nice to have a promising one of those on our team.

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