JustInFudge Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 I've been watching some of the Super Bowl pregame shows here lately as the game gets a little closer and it seems there's been a lot of talk regarding the Seahawks as being one of the greatest D's of all time, if they end up winning. So this morning, I tuned into some sports talk radio on my way into work and listened to a strong argument on their D actually being a "little" overrated because of the QB's they've faced. I want to preface, this isnt my opinion as I dont follow the Seahawks enough to have an accurate opinion but I think the point has some validity. Below is a list of QB's they've beat this season. Its underwhelming, to say the least: Week 1 @ Carolina - beat Cam Netwon Week 2 vs San Fran - beat Colin Kap Week 3 vs Jax - beat Chad Henne Week 4 @ Houston - beat Matt Schaub who threw for 350 yards Week 5 @ Indy - loss to Andrew Luck Week 6 vs. Titans - beat Ryan Fitzpatrick Week 7 vs Cardinals - beat Carson Palmer Week 8 vs. Rams - beat Kellen Clemens, barely Week 9 @ Bucs - beat Mike Glennon Week 10 vs. Falcons - beat Matt Ryan Week 11 vs. Vikings - beat Christian Ponder Week 13 vs. Saints - beat Drew Brees Week 14 @ San Fran - loss to Colin Kap Week 15 @ Giants - beat Eli Manning Week 16 vs Cards - lost to Carson Palmer Week 17 vs Rams - beat Kellen Clemens Then beat Brees and Cap in the playoffs. And now they're about to go up against possibly the GOAT on a nuetral site. Point being, that's far from a impressive list and knowing that, does that sounds like the resume of a historic defense in your opinion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 It's as good as you'll see in this era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 I've been watching some of the Super Bowl pregame shows here lately as the game gets a little closer and it seems there's been a lot of talk regarding the Seahawks as being one of the greatest D's of all time, if they end up winning. So this morning, I tuned into some sports talk radio on my way into work and listened to a strong argument on their D actually being a "little" overrated because of the QB's they've faced. I want to preface, this isnt my opinion as I dont follow the Seahawks enough to have an accurate opinion but I think the point has some validity. Below is a list of QB's they've beat this season. Its underwhelming, to say the least: Week 1 @ Carolina - beat Cam Netwon Week 2 vs San Fran - beat Colin Kap Week 3 vs Jax - beat Chad Henne Week 4 @ Houston - beat Matt Schaub who threw for 350 yards Week 5 @ Indy - loss to Andrew Luck Week 6 vs. Titans - beat Ryan Fitzpatrick Week 7 vs Cardinals - beat Carson Palmer Week 8 vs. Rams - beat Kellen Clemens, barely Week 9 @ Bucs - beat Mike Glennon Week 10 vs. Falcons - beat Matt Ryan Week 11 vs. Vikings - beat Christian Ponder Week 13 vs. Saints - beat Drew Brees Week 14 @ San Fran - loss to Colin Kap Week 15 @ Giants - beat Eli Manning Week 16 vs Cards - lost to Carson Palmer Week 17 vs Rams - beat Kellen Clemens Then beat Brees and Cap in the playoffs. And now they're about to go up against possibly the GOAT on a nuetral site. Point being, that's far from a impressive list and knowing that, does that sounds like the resume of a historic defense in your opinion? When I pointed out to you last offseason about the teams and the QB's that the Jets played down the stretch the previous season, your response was "All the teams basically play the same schedule, it evens out". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 You can only play who they put in front of you. They're a really good defense. Historically good? Probably not. This isn't the 85 Bears or the Steel Curtain. This is a very good to great defense that plays in an era when being that is quite an accomplishment. When you 2 weeks in between games everything because over-critical and hypersensitive. It's maddening. So great, yes. Historically? Probably not unless they shut out/down Manning. But they could have been if Rex coached-em-up, boy-I-tell-ya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 What's wrong w the QBs they faced? Kap, Brees (future HOF), Eli (2x SB winner), Cam (rising young QB), Luck (very quickly rising young QB), Matt Ryan (another top young QB). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 If they win the SB, then it will be a historically great defense in some people's mind, and if they LOSE, no one will even mention them as a historically great defense. When NE was 18-0 and headed for the greatest season ever, then lost the SB(on Welkers drop), no one remembers or cares how "great" they were during the season. Same will be true of this defense , so they better win, to even be mentioned with the 86 bears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloridaJetsFan Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 If they were "historically great" games like NO and SF wouldn't have come down to the last second, so no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted January 31, 2014 Author Share Posted January 31, 2014 When I pointed out to you last offseason about the teams and the QB's that the Jets played down the stretch the previous season, your response was "All the teams basically play the same schedule, it evens out". huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted January 31, 2014 Author Share Posted January 31, 2014 What's wrong w the QBs they faced? Kap, Brees (future HOF), Eli (2x SB winner), Cam (rising young QB), Luck (very quickly rising young QB), Matt Ryan (another top young QB). Kap is a future HOF'er? They lost to Luck. Matt Ryan was handcuffed. Cam was the first game of the season, he got much better as the season went on. It's not an impressive resume...but you cant control who you face. That said, I dont think they're historic by any means. Solid D, historic? No. Maybe if they shut down Manning I'll give it a second thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted January 31, 2014 Author Share Posted January 31, 2014 If they win the SB, then it will be a historically great defense in some people's mind, and if they LOSE, no one will even mention them as a historically great defense. When NE was 18-0 and headed for the greatest season ever, then lost the SB(on Welkers drop), no one remembers or cares how "great" they were during the season. Same will be true of this defense , so they better win, to even be mentioned with the 86 bears. Thats essentially what they were saying on the shows I was watching. Eveyone basically said if they want to be remember, then they shut down Manning. Otherwise, they're just another SB team with a solid D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 huh? I assume he was saying that the schedule down the stretch for the JETS was basically a joke (which it was), and he was probably arguing that they were awful against awful teams, and you probably countered by saying something like "it all evens out" or "you can only play who's on the schedule" etc., and here we are detracting from the greatness of the Seattle defense based on the very same things brought up in the JETS play in those final weeks 2 seasons ago, that is bad teams with bad QB's. I think that's what he's alluding too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Thats essentially what they were saying on the shows I was watching. Eveyone basically said if they want to be remember, then they shut down Manning. Otherwise, they're just another SB team with a solid D. Bingo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted January 31, 2014 Author Share Posted January 31, 2014 I assume he was saying that the schedule down the stretch for the JETS was basically a joke (which it was), and he was probably arguing that they were awful against awful teams, and you probably countered by saying something like "it all evens out" or "you can only play who's on the schedule" etc., and here we are detracting from the greatness of the Seattle defense based on the very same things brought up in the JETS play in those final weeks 2 seasons ago, that is bad teams with bad QB's. I think that's what he's alluding too. I appreciate you answering for him but I dont see the relevance in the Jets losing to sh*tty teams down the stretch during a 6-10 season in this conversation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Advanced stats are adjusted for their schedule. Yes this is a historically good defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Advanced stats are adjusted for their schedule. Yes this is a historically good defense. Yeah ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 huh? When I discredited the defensive rankings of the Jets in 2012, showing the bad teams and qb's they played down the stretch led to them being ranked so highly, you dismissed it out of hand, saying those types of things even them out etc. tsk, tsk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Yeah ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 I appreciate you answering for him but I dont see the relevance in the Jets losing to sh*tty teams down the stretch during a 6-10 season in this conversation. Oh, I agree completely. I just think that was his basic premise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 That is fantastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor99 Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 It's 'an' historic defense. What did they teach you in Gainesville? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 It's 'an' historic defense. What did they teach you in Gainesville? Actually, isn't Jif correct, as "historic" starts with a consonant, and you only use "an" when the word begins in a vowel? a block a bag an indian an ogre etc. Unless because the "h" is almost silent, you then refer to the "I"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peebag Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 All the rule changes since the 80's all favor the offense - there's really no way to compare this defense w/ say the 85 bears given those circumstances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 ‘A historic event’ or ‘an historic event’? People often believe that they should use the indefinite article an in front of words like historic, horrific, or hotel. Are they right or wrong? Should you say ‘an historic event’ or ‘a historic event’? An is the form of the indefinite article that is used before a spoken vowel sound: it doesn’t matter how the written word in question is actually spelled. So, we say ‘an honour’, ‘an hour’, or ‘an heir’, for example, because the initial letter ‘h’ in all three words is not actually pronounced. By contrast we say ‘a hair’ or ‘a horse’ because, in these cases, the ‘h’ is pronounced. Let’s go back to those three words that tend to cause problems: historic, horrific, and hotel. If hotel was pronounced without its initial letter ‘h’ (i.e. as if it were spelled ‘otel’), then it would be correct to use an in front of it. The same is true of historic and horrific. If horrific was pronounced ‘orrific’ and historic was pronounced ‘istoric’ then it would be appropriate to refer to ‘an istoric occasion’ or ‘an orrific accident’. In the 18th and 19th centuries, people often did pronounce these words in this way. Today, though, these three words are generally pronounced with a spoken ‘h’ at the beginning and so it’s now more logical to refer to ‘a hotel’, ‘a historic event’, or ‘a horrific accident’. That said, nothing is taught in Gainesville. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted January 31, 2014 Author Share Posted January 31, 2014 When I discredited the defensive rankings of the Jets in 2012, showing the bad teams and qb's they played down the stretch led to them being ranked so highly, you dismissed it out of hand, saying those types of things even them out etc. tsk, tsk Dont see the relevance but yeah, you cant control who you play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted January 31, 2014 Author Share Posted January 31, 2014 It's 'an' historic defense. What did they teach you in Gainesville? To **** bitches and get money. I'm very successful in both categories. Some would say, historic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 That said, nothing is taught in Gainesville. Football, drinking, and scantily clad women? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 I think I know who took that pic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 It's 'an' historic defense. Eww, gross Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor99 Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 To **** bitches and get money. I'm very successful in both categories. Some would say, historic. You get fatties, and your best friend is an anchor salesman. Historic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor99 Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Eww, gross You're just like the rest of the women in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 When Seattle puts 3-4 guys in the H.O.F like the Steelers of the 70's did, then you can refer to them as historic. Until then, get a grip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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