T0mShane Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Prosecutors give up on Carlos Ortiz as witness against Hernandez Posted by Mike Florio on February 1, 2014, 9:22 AM EST AP The case against former Patriots tight end Aaron Hernandez may not be as strong as once believed. Carlos Ortiz, once believed to be the star witness against Hernandez in the murder of Odin Lloyd based on the extent to which information apparently obtained from him was used to support search warrants and arrest warrants, will now not be called as a witness at all. Via the Taunton (Mass.) Daily Gazette, paperwork filed Friday in court indicates that prosecutors view Ortiz as “completely unreliable” based on the fact that his once-damning story has dramatically changed. As a result, prosecutors could now be attempting the equivalent of a Hail Mary pass. Via the Associated Press, prosecutors want to review Hernandez’s phone conversations in search of “coded messages” that could show Hernandez was talking about the murder of Odin Lloyd with his fiancee, Shayanna Jenkins, and/or his cousin, Tanya Singleton. Prosecutors contend Hernandez discussed Lloyd’s murder in cryptic fashion. Topics allegedly included Hernandez’s “belief about his criminal liability” and the “extent of his control over persons charged as accessories.” Even if that’s what happened, it could be a challenge to use “I took care of that thing”-style remarks to show guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. But that may be all they have, if neither Ortiz nor Ernest Wallace, the two men allegedly in the car with Hernandez and Lloyd before Lloyd was shot to death, will be testifying against Hernandez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 I'm shocked a witness in a gang murder is changing his story the pats* even cheat when they murder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 I can't even joke about signing him. I want to joke about it but I just can't.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 I thought this was going to be a veiled reference about drafting Colt Lyerla. I've been let down by both T0mshane and the justice system. I'm not sure which one hurts more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizard King Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 They still have an entirely different case to pursue now for a shooting outside of a Boston nightclub. If he clears both i would sign him on the cheap though. Just putting that out there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Sign this beast once he's cleared of any and all charges top 5 TE in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted February 1, 2014 Author Share Posted February 1, 2014 Back to the pond, boys! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted February 1, 2014 Author Share Posted February 1, 2014 I thought this was going to be a veiled reference about drafting Colt Lyerla. I've been let down by both T0mshane and the justice system. I'm not sure which one hurts more. Both systematically unreliable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 So a couple of months ago they supposedly had so much evidence and now they have little- i do not believe these stories Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizard King Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 So a couple of months ago they supposedly had so much evidence and now they have little- i do not believe these stories Why would the associated press make that up? I kinda felt like the prosecutor was stalling all along. He shoudlve been going by now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 no thnx. dude is a piece of sh*t Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Go Gators Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Go Gators Spurrier would be so proud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Sign Hernandez, Vick, Incognito. Bam! Super Bowl, baby! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Sign Hernandez, Vick, Incognito. Bam! Super Bowl, baby! Agreed. If there is one Head Coach that could handle those personalities, it's Rex Ryan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 And I'd bring TO and Ocho Cinco in for a look, maybe Randy Moss too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 And I'd bring TO and Ocho Cinco in for a look, maybe Randy Moss too.JEFF GEORGE can flat out sling it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Agreed. If there is one Head Coach that could handle those personalities, it's Rex Ryan. Yeah i can see it now our three tri-captains Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Mostro Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Watch the Pats re-sign him and turn this into a warm and fuzzy story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 I can't even joke about signing him. I want to joke about it but I just can't.... agree, he is the current young leader of ThugTurds. OJ wont be around much long I hear, so this former TE (now a WR I hear) will inherit the crown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 I normally don't care what these guys do off field, Vick, Incognito, ect, this guy I don't want to touch with a ten foot pole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Agreed. If there is one Head Coach that could handle those personalities, it's Rex Ryan. If the Jets signed Hernandez and Vick I would find another team. I still think that they have enough to convict Hernandez anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 The only thing I got from this is that my phone is constantly tapped, and that everything I write on the internet is filed and stored away...even my "PM's". lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Mini-draft 2014. Get on the bus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 The only thing I got from this is that my phone is constantly tapped, and that everything I write on the internet is filed and stored away...even my "PM's". lol. echelon shhhhhhhh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Hernandez is trying to 1 up OJ. OJonly got away with a double homicide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian101193 Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 The only thing I got from this is that my phone is constantly tapped, and that everything I write on the internet is filed and stored away...even my "PM's". lol. He never got bail so he is still in jail, all those phone calls are recorded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 If the Jets signed Hernandez and Vick I would find another team. I still think that they have enough to convict Hernandez anyway. OJ Simpson Robert Blake Casey Anthony Etc. EVEN money the dude gets 1200 yards in 2014. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolot Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 Sign him,...gang life is like the wild west,...if the Earps can use Doc Holiday to win a gunfight we can use this guy to win some games no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnleyJet Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 Seem like a "Mangini" type of guy. Even if he gets off thing he changes he's ways? - Secondly no way he's coming hear imagine the media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 I blame Belichicl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 He sure seems like a scumb bag but being held without bail is a rough thing. Think of nightmare of being falsely accused, you still lose your career and maybe your family even if eventually aquitted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 OJ Simpson Robert Blake Casey Anthony Etc. EVEN money the dude gets 1200 yards in 2014. I don;t care how productive he is, he is a murderer. We should not be signing murderers and dog killers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 He sure seems like a scumb bag but being held without bail is a rough thing. Think of nightmare of being falsely accused, you still lose your career and maybe your family even if eventually aquitted. Lol. He is NOT falsely accused. They can track his car to the crime scene and the victim texted his sister knowing what was going down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 I don;t care how productive he is, he is a murderer. We should not be signing murderers and dog killers Can we sign cow killers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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