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Lamer than the whole Coors Light thing, and if he doesn't end up a Jet... unforgivable jinx.

How are we getting that guy?  We'd have to move up and I doubt Idzik has the stones for that.  I hate moving up, but I'd do it for a franchise QB.  

 

Moving back from 18 has nice possibilities too.  This would be a great draft to move back in if you make a decent deal.  Obviously easier said than done.

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How are we getting that guy?  We'd have to move up and I doubt Idzik has the stones for that.  I hate moving up, but I'd do it for a franchise QB.  

 

Moving back from 18 has nice possibilities too.  This would be a great draft to move back in if you make a decent deal.  Obviously easier said than done.

 

I don't know. But I was being 100% serious.

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How are we getting that guy?  We'd have to move up and I doubt Idzik has the stones for that.  I hate moving up, but I'd do it for a franchise QB.  

 

Moving back from 18 has nice possibilities too.  This would be a great draft to move back in if you make a decent deal.  Obviously easier said than done.

What? Its impossible to move to ahead of Cleveland in this draft or to move up to #1 with the firepower we have. We cant tarde our #1's this year a #1 next year and a #2 this year or next to get to where we want to be? You said you would do it to get a FRANCHISE QB, did you read the review that was written on Johnny Jet? They absolutely love the guy, both from a physical , and intangible fashion. You said you would do it for a franchise QB, well, here is one in every sense of the word. Just do it IDZIK.

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What? Its impossible to move to ahead of Cleveland in this draft or to move up to #1 with the firepower we have. We cant tarde our #1's this year a #1 next year and a #2 this year or next to get to where we want to be? You said you would do it to get a FRANCHISE QB, did you read the review that was written on Johnny Jet? They absolutely love the guy, both from a physical , and intangible fashion. You said you would do it for a franchise QB, well, here is one in every sense of the word. Just do it IDZIK.

 

I said that I doubt Idzik has the stones.  That's a comment on the likelihood of it happening.  

 

I'd love to move up for Manziel or Bridgewater and I'd give up next year's #1 and then some to do it.  Everything would look better with a legit QB.  I'm in.

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I said that I doubt Idzik has the stones.  That's a comment on the likelihood of it happening.  

 

I'd love to move up for Manziel or Bridgewater and I'd give up next year's #1 and then some to do it.  Everything would look better with a legit QB.  I'm in.

Thank you. I have complete faith in IDZIK, and if anyone can find a way to get us Bridgewater or Manziel, its that guy. I hope he can pull it off. The write up on Manziel, was even better than I expected.

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Thank you. I have complete faith in IDZIK, and if anyone can find a way to get us Bridgewater or Manziel, its that guy. I hope he can pull it off. The write up on Manziel, was even better than I expected.

Actually, if anyone could find a way to get the Jets Bridgewater or Manziel, it was the last guy.

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Actually, if anyone could find a way to get the Jets Bridgewater or Manziel, it was the last guy.

Your probably right but given his "track" record on picking QB's , that the one he probably would trade up for, would be the next Ryan Leaf, or Mark Sanchez, and the one he leaves for someone else would be the next Peyton or Andrew Luck.

 

I'll take my chances with the dude we have now, as he was involved with the Wilson pick, I'm sure.

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Your probably right but given his "track" record on picking QB's , that the one he probably would trade up for, would be the next Ryan Leaf, or Mark Sanchez, and the one he leaves for someone else would be the next Peyton or Andrew Luck.

 

I'll take my chances with the dude we have now, as he was involved with the Wilson pick, I'm sure.

That's the way I suspect he does business. He seems like more of a slow and steady wins the race kinda guy than one who'd trade multiple high picks for a huge question mark. If a guy he likes drops out of the top ten, maybe then I could see a move. I definitely do not see him trading anything remotely close to next year's #1 to move into the top three. No way.

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That's the way I suspect he does business. He seems like more of a slow and steady wins the race kinda guy than one who'd trade multiple high picks for a huge question mark. If a guy he likes drops out of the top ten, maybe then I could see a move. I definitely do not see him trading anything remotely close to next year's #1 to move into the top three. No way.

I agree. Look , I am quite sure that Manziel and Bridgewater are going to be stars in this league, but who's to say that Zach Mettenberger, or Aaron Murray, or even AJ McCarron etc are not going to be stars also. He found Wilson, while others were concentrating on LUCK and RGIII (rightfully so as both are stars), so maybe he can do the same with one of these guys. Like I said, I am a huge supporter of IDZIK, and I trust him to get it right.

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That's the way I suspect he does business. He seems like more of a slow and steady wins the race kinda guy than one who'd trade multiple high picks for a huge question mark. If a guy he likes drops out of the top ten, maybe then I could see a move. I definitely do not see him trading anything remotely close to next year's #1 to move into the top three. No way.

 

I hate dealing up, but QBs are the exception.  That assumes you have a real QB available.  Sanchez was fugazi.  These guys are not.  My problem is that I don't like Geno enough and I want a legit QB.  There are no vets with that kind of upside out there, so it's the draft.

 

I agree with you on Idzik.  He's conservative, which is pretty much what I want.  I liked his approach last year for the most part.  They did some much needed austerity and played the comp pick game well.  They should have a lot of picks this year due to that and the Revis deal.

 

My big concerns are that they did not make very good picks last year apart from the great one, and that we still have no solution at the most important position.

 

I think Manziel would go nuts in Mornhinweg's offense, but since we both doubt Idzik would do make that move, I think the best we can hope for is that they use one of their natural picks on a QB.  Maybe they'd go for a modest trade up if a guy like Carr slipped into the teens--assuming they like Carr a lot.  He'd be an interesting QB in MM's offense.  That kid can make any throw imaginable.

 

There are some other QBs that I like if they hold off until round two or later, like Garoppolo, Mettenberger (recent ACL surgery )and Fales.  There are also some solid guys to target late like Dustin Vaughn and Stephen Morris.  Hopefully they continue to address the position one way or another.  This is a very good year for receivers and quarterbacks.

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Actually, if anyone could find a way to get the Jets Bridgewater or Manziel, it was the last guy.

 

And that's a big reason for him being gone.  The Jets cannot afford to blow off picks in order to move up for a specific player.  Look at the contributions of guys that Seattle got in the mid and late rounds.  Depth is the name of the game.  No more trading up -- just draft solidly in every round.   By the same token, I do not want to play games and trade down either, at least not in the top half of the draft.

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And that's a big reason for him being gone.  The Jets cannot afford to blow off picks in order to move up for a specific player.  Look at the contributions of guys that Seattle got in the mid and late rounds.  Depth is the name of the game.  No more trading up -- just draft solidly in every round.   By the same token, I do not want to play games and trade down either, at least not in the top half of the draft.

 

Not a good way to maximize value.  Strategically moving back or up when a good deal is there to be made is good business.  Just don't have a dolt like Tanny making the deals and picking the players.

 

If you have a lot of guys on the board that you like at any point, then trading back can be a no-brainer.  You can get the same level of player and add selections in doing so.  Win-win.

 

Any good philosophy on running a team has some flexibility built-in to take advantage of opportunities.  Seattle is both conservative and opportunistic.  They paid large for Harvin, for example, and gave up a premium pick.  They also draft well.

 

We need to be all those things, not just conservative.

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Not a good way to maximize value.  Strategically moving back or up when a good deal is there to be made is good business.  Just don't have a dolt like Tanny making the deals and picking the players.

 

If you have a lot of guys on the board that you like at any point, then trading back can be a no-brainer.  You can get the same level of player and add selections in doing so.  Win-win.

 

Any good philosophy on running a team has some flexibility built-in to take advantage of opportunities.  Seattle is both conservative and opportunistic.  They paid large for Harvin, for example, and gave up a premium pick.  They also draft well.

 

We need to be all those things, not just conservative.

Completely agree.

If the Jets, sitting at #18, have a list of 13 players they have rated well above the next tier, they should be looking to make the small move up to get one of those players they've tabbed as elite. If they can't make that move, and have a similar list of 13 players in their next tier, they should be looking to move down -add a pick- and still take a player from that group.

Flexibility is definitely key.

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Completely agree.

If the Jets, sitting at #18, have a list of 13 players they have rated well above the next tier, they should be looking to make the small move up to get one of those players they've tabbed as elite. If they can't make that move, and have a similar list of 13 players in their next tier, they should be looking to move down -add a pick- and still take a player from that group.

Flexibility is definitely key.

Exactly.  And, there's absolutely a stay-and-draft scenario too.  

 

One thing that all the extra picks allow (I am assuming 5 extra …. a 3rd for Revis plus 4 relatively late comps), is a key move up here or there if you spot a slipping value.  

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New one….

 

http://rotobahn.com/scouting-report-odell-beckham-jr-wr-lsu/

 

Scouting Report: Odell Beckham Jr., WR, LSU
 

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By: Pete Davidson : February 08, 2014 9:46am

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Odell Beckham Jr. is a player we really believe in. On paper, he’s not the best receiver in the 2014 class, but we’re leading with him just to underscore how good we think the former LSU Tiger is. He reminds us a lot of both Randall Cobb and Percy Harvin as a receiver and as an athlete.  While he’s not likely to play snaps at tailback as both Harvin and Cobb do at times, he is a very good open field runner and kick returner.  Though he’s had a few stretches where he dropped some passes, Beckham Jr. has perhaps the best hands we’ve seen since we scouted Michael Crabtree. He can make circus catches and the tough catches in traffic too.  We suspect he’ll be very consistent as a pro.

He’s a quarterback’s dream because while he’s a reliable receiver, capable of making the tough yards and the big plays, he’s also a smart instinctive receiver, who knows how to work back to the quarterback when plays break down. Odell is going to be some QB’s security blanket in the near future.

I hear some people questioning Beckham Jr.’s speed, but we see plenty of it on film. A poor combine could hurt his draft position a bit. Then again, if Beckham Jr. runs well, he could end up being drafted in or near the first round, which is where we have him rated now.  The other obvious knock on Beckham Jr. is his lack of prototypical size.  It's a factor and it's why receivers like Sammy Watkins and Mike Evans will almost assuredly be drafted in front of him.  Still, as currently listed, Beckham Jr. is big enough to make a big impact with his skill set.

Odell showed nice growth as a collegian--getting better each year and peaking as a Junior in 2013. We see him as a receiver who can play right away at the next level, but also as a player who will continue to get better. You hear the term “play-maker” a lot. That’s what Beckham Jr. is. Here’s a breakdown of Odell’s attributes.

  • Hands - I’m starting here because this is his calling card in our view. We love the way this kid catches the football. He tracks the ball extremely well and has outstanding concentration. He had some problems with drops at times and often on easier balls, but we really like the way he catches the ball and we expect him to end up being very dependable as a pro.
  • Routes - He’s a solid route runner, but this is an area where he can get even better. This is a trend we see with LSU’s recent receivers for what it’s worth. Beckham shows excellent poise when plays break down and, as I mentioned, he knows how to work back to the quarterback.
  • Running ability - This is an important one, because Odell can make people miss and he’s got good tackle-breaking ability for a man his size. He is dangerous in the open field and makes high quality cuts. This is very apparent if you watch him in the return game, which is another area where he can help a team at the next level.
  • Defeating the jam - We see this as another key strength. Beckham Jr. is diverse in this area. He can use his outstanding quickness and agility against bigger defenders and he can use his strength and physicality against smaller ones. Playing press against this kid is a risky move. This will help him in terms of making the jump to the NFL.
  • Play making ability - Beckham has a knack for making big plays and he can do it by beating his man as well as making defenders miss after the catch and in the open field. He has excellent body control and concentration. As I already mentioned, he tracks the football very well. This all helps him in contested situations, where Beckham is effective despite being a shade under six feet tall. He plays bigger than he looks.
  • Flexibilty - He may be seen as a slot receiver by a lot of analysts, but his ability to beat the jam and his athleticism will allow to play both inside and outside, like Greg Jennings or Julian Edelman. As mentioned, Beckham can also help teams in the return game, so he can squeeze a lot out of a roster spot and make a wide range on contributions as a rookie.
  • Speed - We’ll have a better idea of just how fast Beckham Jr. is after we see him at the Combine, but we think he’s plenty fast enough for the next level and we expect him to run well under 4.50. He looks 4.45 or better on film, but that’s just a guess. The bottom line is that film doesn’t lie, especially for guys who plays in the SEC. This kid has excellent functional speed in pads with the rock in his hands.
  • Intangibles - Beckham Jr. has no negatives off the field. Both of his parents were standout athletes at LSU, with his father starting at tailback and his mother earning All-American honors as a sprinter. It seems sort of unfair from a genetic standpoint, and it could explain why Odell is such a confident athlete and why he competes so well. This kid is a coach’s dream too.

Here’s a decent highlight reel of Beckham Jr. that has a little bit of everything.

We’re as sold on Beckham Jr. as we were on Cobb and Harvin when they came out. Hopefully, Odell doesn’t get drafted by a team that will use him as a 4th receiver in his rookie year as Cobb did. Of course, Cobb did very well over the long haul because he gets to play with Aaron Rodgers.  Beckham Jr. would make a ton of sense for a team like New England if they lose Julian Edelman in free agency.

We’ll hold off on proclaiming big redraft value for Beckham Jr. until we see where he’s going to be playing his games. We will almost certainly be recommending him as a long term option, but if he lands in a place where he should start right away, like Carolina or Washington, we’ll be really excited.  There's little doubt in our minds that this kid has a future as a fantasy asset.

This scouting report will be updated after the Combine.

e-mail: pete@rotobahn.com

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