drdetroit Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 Please tell me Farrell's character isn't dead and his vest held up and the killer got interrupted and had to leave after the second shot. Was rooting for his character. His ex wife is typical vindictive b who uses a mans kids to punish him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 Interesting themes emerging for the characters... Daddy issues: Farrell's character has obvious father-son problems with the kid that isn't his, but in tonight's episode his ex-wife says something to him about "not knowing any other way", I took this to imply he had an abusive father. McAdam's obviously has issues with her father, established in ep.1 Kitsch's character hasn't had any specific details revealed about father, but I'm betting that surfaces in some way related to that moment in ep.1 when he told his girl that the burn scars are from before the Army Vaughn's character revealed being locked in the basement by his alcoholic father as a child, in tonight's opening scene Sexual issues: Farrell's character revealed to Vaugn in ep.1 that he has "no interest in that sort of thing" after Vaughn's suggestion that he find a woman Kitsch has intimacy problems, can't get aroused for his girl, and tonight revealed some homophobic / homo-curious scenes McAdam's shocked her man in the bedroom, her sister told her she has "problems" with sex, and tonight there were some things implied about her being a child in her father's commune, and then we see her looking at girly s&m porn Vaugnn's character is a little less about sex, but still, I think with him their taking it the route of not being able to conceive naturally, so in his case not an "issue" but still in the same vein Self-destructive behavior: Farrell, McAdams, Kitsch are all boozers Farrell is clearly a hot mess, just about everything he does is self-destructive Kitsch is flirting with suicide after being with his girl in ep.1 McAdam's hasn't shown anything beyond drinking, but in tonight's episode she talks about the other kids that were in the commune with her and says that a couple of them had killed themselves, which I would bet is the writer's way of implying that her experiences were similar and therefore she may have similar tendencies Vaughn's character hasn't revealed this yet The themes are sort of like the social commentary on men packed into season 1. I loved how subtle it was in season 1, whereas in this season it is much more up-front. Very curious to see how they pay all this development off. I think the way tonight's episode ended was ballsy as hell for the writers... a lot of shows have fallen into the pattern of doing stuff like that in the last 2 episodes only. I was going to talk about how I like the slow build... but then BOOM. I had a feeling he was walking into an ambush. Is Vince Vaughn the villain they showed him developing the lead. What motive would he have to kill Caspare hence kill the deal he had everything riding on it? What a show. Can't believe it got bad reviews these critics have their heads in their @ss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted June 29, 2015 Author Share Posted June 29, 2015 I take back what I said about Kitsch. Actually starting to enjoy the character and his role quite a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrissey Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 Farrell is in other scenes from the trailer, so somehow he's not dead. Plastic bullets maybe? Vest? Shown him wearing one in episode 1. Dollars to doughnuts McAdams hippie father is the killer. He doesn't want the train going through the city. Might as well stop watching folks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted June 29, 2015 Author Share Posted June 29, 2015 I'm also really digging the portrayal of LA here. Most shows and movies focus on the glitz and glamor of SoCal, but LA is a completely fragmented city politically and spatially. The exploration of some of these niche, seedy little parts is a fresh way of looking at things. There really are all of these trashy little casinos sprinkled in between abandoned industrial complexes and whatnot. And I like how the camerawork is constantly conveying the sprawl and how ridiculously car-cultured LA is these days. Little things too, like McAdams and Kitsch not even hearing of Venci until they had met Farrell. That's a realistic thing. Venci's fictional but there are so many little parts of the metropolitan area that you really do become oblivious to even bothering trying to figure it out after a while. Mike Davis wrote a great book about LA called City of Quartz, and this season is starting to remind me of some of the things he touches on. Thus far, purely as a portrayal of the city, I'd put it right up with Chinatown and LA Confidential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted June 29, 2015 Author Share Posted June 29, 2015 Farrell is in other scenes from the trailer, so somehow he's not dead. Plastic bullets maybe? Vest? Shown him wearing one in episode 1. Flashbacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrissey Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 Flashbacks. Flashbacks with McAdams character in a raid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 Farrell is in other scenes from the trailer, so somehow he's not dead. Plastic bullets maybe? Vest? Shown him wearing one in episode 1. Dollars to doughnuts McAdams hippie father is the killer. He doesn't want the train going through the city. Might as well stop watching folks. Good call on the vest, he's had one one most of his scenes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 I'm also really digging the portrayal of LA here. Most shows and movies focus on the glitz and glamor of SoCal, but LA is a completely fragmented city politically and spatially. The exploration of some of these niche, seedy little parts is a fresh way of looking at things. There really are all of these trashy little casinos sprinkled in between abandoned industrial complexes and whatnot. And I like how the camerawork is constantly conveying the sprawl and how ridiculously car-cultured LA is these days. Little things too, like McAdams and Kitsch not even hearing of Venci until they had met Farrell. That's a realistic thing. Venci's fictional but there are so many little parts of the metropolitan area that you really do become oblivious to even bothering trying to figure it out after a while. Mike Davis wrote a great book about LA called City of Quartz, and this season is starting to remind me of some of the things he touches on. Thus far, purely as a portrayal of the city, I'd put it right up with Chinatown and LA Confidential. Wasn't that a quartz rock on the Vinci mayors desk that the director made sure we saw McAdams notice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 Farrell's IMDB has him appearing in all 8 episodes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 Please tell me Farrell's character isn't dead and his vest held up and the killer got interrupted and had to leave after the second shot. Was rooting for his character. His ex wife is typical vindictive b who uses a mans kids to punish him. WTF kind of crazy are you talking about? He's an alcoholic, drug-abusing, dirty cop, with extremely violent tendencies, and she hints at him having a violent past. She herself is a rape victim, so the fact that she's not allowing herself to be victimized further by being tethered to this hot mess makes her anything BUT a "vindictive b". She's protecting herself and her kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 WTF kind of crazy are you talking about? He's an alcoholic, drug-abusing, dirty cop, with extremely violent tendencies, and she hints at him having a violent past. She herself is a rape victim, so the fact that she's not allowing herself to be victimized further by being tethered to this hot mess makes her anything BUT a "vindictive b". She's protecting herself and her kid. Calm your t!ts. You're acting like a father who goes on a bender and beats the living snot out of a bullies fathers with brass knuckles on his door step and says to the child, "if you ever bully another kid again, I'll but **** your father with your moms headless coprse on the god damn lawn"..."12 my ass, **** you"....shouldnt be trusted around children. Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted June 29, 2015 Author Share Posted June 29, 2015 Wasn't that a quartz rock on the Vinci mayors desk that the director made sure we saw McAdams notice? 'Twas. But I can't figure out if that was a Davis nod or if it was because it reeeeeally looked like a vagina. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenwichjetfan Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 'Twas. But I can't figure out if that was a Davis nod or if it was because it reeeeeally looked like a vagina. I completely thought it had to do with a vagina. Didn't even think about it as a quartz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snell41 Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 WTF kind of crazy are you talking about? He's an alcoholic, drug-abusing, dirty cop, with extremely violent tendencies, and she hints at him having a violent past. She herself is a rape victim, so the fact that she's not allowing herself to be victimized further by being tethered to this hot mess makes her anything BUT a "vindictive b". She's protecting herself and her kid. I am the ultimate supporter of father's rights when it comes to divorce and kids, but man even I can't support hias character lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 I walked away very meh about last night. Especially after watching the first episode again prior to it coming on. The dialogue in this show so far is choppy, lame and kind of sh*tty really. Everything involving Kitsch is terrible. Like, hard to watch terrible. McAdams isnt much better. And the whole show is just filled with cheesy lines that are just terrible and forced and pointless that really dont build the character the way the writers think it does. The e-cig conversation? My god was that bad. "I came to close to sucking the robots dick", what? stfu. Its a good story, so I'm intrigued but this isnt a great show, by any means. It leaves a lot to be desired. And it doesnt hold a candle to the first season, like not even in the same universe from an acting and dialogue perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted June 29, 2015 Author Share Posted June 29, 2015 I completely thought it had to do with a vagina. Didn't even think about it as a quartz. Yeah. I'm hesitant about trying to be to conclusive about stuff like that with 5 episodes to go. People got into that with Breaking Bad and it was just sad to see. Millions of man hours dedicated to figuring out the symbolism of Walt's jacket or something, and what that meant for the future, then the season carries on and it doesn't mean sh*t. Some guy is going to write a 10 page analysis of that quartz and then it will turn out to just be some meaningless nod to vag that Pizzolato put in as a gag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 Bullying is a serious issue with kids these days. Farrell did the right thing. Or would you prefer he beat his own kids like A-Pete or kill dogs like Vick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 'Twas. But I can't figure out if that was a Davis nod or if it was because it reeeeeally looked like a vagina. My initial thought was the vagina, didn't want to say it and have you all think I'm a creep. My wife looked at me like "wut?" when I said it out loud at home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 I walked away very meh about last night. Especially after watching the first episode again prior to it coming on. The dialogue in this show so far is choppy, lame and kind of sh*tty really. Everything involving Kitsch is terrible. Like, hard to watch terrible. McAdams isnt much better. And the whole show is just filled with cheesy lines that are just terrible and forced and pointless that really dont build the character the way the writers think it does. The e-cig conversation? My god was that bad. "I came to close to sucking the robots dick", what? stfu. Its a good story, so I'm intrigued but this isnt a great show, by any means. It leaves a lot to be desired. And it doesnt hold a candle to the first season, like not even in the same universe from an acting and dialogue perspective. My take on the e-cig conversation was that suddenly Farrell wanted to put his dick in a woman, and discussing the phalic nature of the e-cig and how she could "pull it off" was the advance of a broken man with broken logic about the torments of intimacy. It has been kind of choppy though. Do you watch Ray Donovan? You'd love it. Every episode is architected like an episode of SOA. Basically the same drama ride, but it goes from white trash on motocycles to white trash in Hollywood with Mercedes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 Bullying is a serious issue with kids these days. Farrell did the right thing. Or would you prefer he beat his own kids like A-Pete or kill dogs like Vick? You're an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 My take on the e-cig conversation was that suddenly Farrell wanted to put his dick in a woman, and discussing the phalic nature of the e-cig and how she could "pull it off" was the advance of a broken man with broken logic about the torments of intimacy. It has been kind of choppy though. Do you watch Ray Donovan? You'd love it. Every episode is architected like an episode of SOA. Basically the same drama ride, but it goes from white trash on motocycles to white trash in Hollywood with Mercedes. I <3 Ray Donovan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 Bullying is a serious issue with kids these days. Farrell did the right thing. Or would you prefer he beat his own kids like A-Pete or kill dogs like Vick? Oh my Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenwichjetfan Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 Yeah. I'm hesitant about trying to be to conclusive about stuff like that with 5 episodes to go. People got into that with Breaking Bad and it was just sad to see. Millions of man hours dedicated to figuring out the symbolism of Walt's jacket or something, and what that meant for the future, then the season carries on and it doesn't mean sh*t. Some guy is going to write a 10 page analysis of that quartz and then it will turn out to just be some meaningless nod to vag that Pizzolato put in as a gag. Oh yea, I gave up on all of that stuff after The Wire. I'm even over the whole going to IMDB to check for casting clues. I like to enjoy everything that the show has to offer, when it has to offer it. For me, Jon Snow and Ray Velcoro are dead until the shows proves otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 Holy sh*t. He must be alive, even though to watch it you'd think he must be dead. The character has too much potential to be killed off so early. This is a slower build up but I'm really enjoying it. Had low expectations going in and I'm shocked it's getting a lot of negative reviews because it's not season 1. It's a different format ffs and I though this episode was even better. McAdam's character is developing nicely and the gay dude, with his trashy Gillian Darmody mother obviously has some dark history, although the mystery better not be that he's gay, because come on... I think Vaughn has been brilliant. He's getting his character's insecurities across brilliantly. Thought he was by far and away the best performer in the last episode. I'm intrigued as to how they'll have Velcoro survive. I mean he must survive. That shot was close enough to split him in two. Edit: Oh and that theme that I hated so much last week. Has grown on me, to say the least. Now rocking it full time on the Ipod. I'm a fickle mother****er. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotcheryifyouCan Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 im guessing the bird dude who shot ray is the therapist that ray and mcadams talked to earlier who is none other then rick springfield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrissey Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 im guessing the bird dude who shot ray is the therapist that ray and mcadams talked to earlier who is none other then rick springfield nope, it's mcadams hippie father, sorry.. I solved it already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 nope, it's mcadams hippie father, sorry.. I solved it already. I think it's Vince Vaughn's assistant who sort of mockingly interacts with him, despite being an obvious subordinate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrissey Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Holy sh*t. He must be alive, even though to watch it you'd think he must be dead. The character has too much potential to be killed off so early. This is a slower build up but I'm really enjoying it. Had low expectations going in and I'm shocked it's getting a lot of negative reviews because it's not season 1. It's a different format ffs and I though this episode was even better. McAdam's character is developing nicely and the gay dude, with his trashy Gillian Darmody mother obviously has some dark history, although the mystery better not be that he's gay, because come on... I think Vaughn has been brilliant. He's getting his character's insecurities across brilliantly. Thought he was by far and away the best performer in the last episode. I'm intrigued as to how they'll have Velcoro survive. I mean he must survive. That shot was close enough to split him in two. Edit: Oh and that theme that I hated so much last week. Has grown on me, to say the least. Now rocking it full time on the Ipod. I'm a fickle mother****er. really? I think he's been the weak link by far. that opening scene with the ceiling stain was warm garbage. this kind of role isn't for him. can't buy him as that character at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted June 30, 2015 Author Share Posted June 30, 2015 Oh yea, I gave up on all of that stuff after The Wire. I'm even over the whole going to IMDB to check for casting clues. I like to enjoy everything that the show has to offer, when it has to offer it. For me, Jon Snow and Ray Velcoro are dead until the shows proves otherwise. Look at the look on her face. It's gotta just be because it looks like a vagina and that dude was so creepy looking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenwichjetfan Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Look at the look on her face. It's gotta just be because it looks like a vagina and that dude was so creepy looking. Watched the episode again last night...honestly in love with this show. The pace of the first two episodes of this season is completely different from the first two of last season, yet just as entertaining. Farrell was again on top of his game, and that scene with his ex-wife outside the mall was terrific. Two great lines from Ray: "I really do" - when he agreed with the lieutenant that dualities must be affected. "I support feminism, mostly because of my body image issues" - baaaaahahaha Vince is hard to buy in his role. I'm trying to give him the benefit of the doubt because you can tell he's trying, and he's actually been better than I expected- but that fender bender scene is the one scene so far where he's truly shined. I would much rather see him in that type of slick talking, aggressive ego role, than the passive/contemplative role we've seen so far. Rachel's part in this story is starting to grow on me, and I really want to see where her ****ed up past meets her broken present. Taylor's part still sucks, although it seems like he's being set up for a big role this coming week where we see more about his past and look into his troubles. Regardless of each individual story line, I'm far more interested in these four characters' background and broken psyche than I am in uncovering the actual mystery of Ben Caspere. Maybe that's why I'm so drawn to this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Vince is hard to buy in his role. I'm trying to give him the benefit of the doubt because you can tell he's trying, and he's actually been better than I expected- but that fender bender scene is the one scene so far where he's truly shined. I would much rather see him in that type of slick talking, aggressive ego role, than the passive/contemplative role we've seen so far. I feel like he uncomfortable in his own skin as a "legit" business man doing "legit" business, hence the second-guessing about whether he should have gotten the country club, and such. I think the picture being painted was that the "cleaned up, legit" version of him doesn't work. It's awkward, it exposes too many of his insecurities. I expect that as he reverts to his criminal ways to get his money back, we'll see the other side of his personality emerge. I also thought the scene where he talked about his Dad locking him in the basement was good, just written in a way that dragged out too much. He handled it alright though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Watched the episode again last night...honestly in love with this show. The pace of the first two episodes of this season is completely different from the first two of last season, yet just as entertaining. Farrell was again on top of his game, and that scene with his ex-wife outside the mall was terrific. Two great lines from Ray: "I really do" - when he agreed with the lieutenant that dualities must be affected. "I support feminism, mostly because of my body image issues" - baaaaahahaha Vince is hard to buy in his role. I'm trying to give him the benefit of the doubt because you can tell he's trying, and he's actually been better than I expected- but that fender bender scene is the one scene so far where he's truly shined. I would much rather see him in that type of slick talking, aggressive ego role, than the passive/contemplative role we've seen so far. Rachel's part in this story is starting to grow on me, and I really want to see where her ****ed up past meets her broken present. Taylor's part still sucks, although it seems like he's being set up for a big role this coming week where we see more about his past and look into his troubles. Regardless of each individual story line, I'm far more interested in these four characters' background and broken psyche than I am in uncovering the actual mystery of Ben Caspere. Maybe that's why I'm so drawn to this season. I think McAdams is the most difficult to buy into on the show due to her past roles but even she has been good. Vince Vaughn is doing what he does best which is being himself. I actually like the political backdrop of the story with LA's City of Industry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 'Twas. But I can't figure out if that was a Davis nod or if it was because it reeeeeally looked like a vagina. Vagina. Always vagina. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 To echo some sentiments, I'm digging the show on its own merits while desperately avoiding comparisons to S1. Vaughn is trying way too hard, but he hit his stride as he became more unhinged in E2. His opening monologue thing with the rat story was not something Vince Vaughn is capable of pulling off. McAdams and Kitsch are fine, but it's 100% Farrell's show (obviously). The whole season is going to ride on how much we buy into his redemption. As far as Pizzolato's storytelling, it's not what he does well. He makes his characters say interesting things, but there's no real plan for most of it. It's a lot of sassy words signifying little, then explication, then a payoff of the explication. In the great shows, few words or scenes are wasted. With TD, it's, Grim philosophical conversations with increasingly cynical retorts...then a clue(!)...which brings them to a house with another clue!...then, brooding [fade to black] Which is fine. If the stylization is good enough, you'll forgive a little roundabout storytelling. Like when a hot chick is telling you a story about how her cat was missing for three days but ended up being in the attic the whole time. That's True Detective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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