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Fair enough.  Hey, everyone's entitled to an opinion but I think it's a matter of volume.  The # of posts that have been generated every day about how horrible things are has grown exponentially.  The first few times, hey, whatever; Jets fans complaining is nothing that should draw attention.  But it's nonstop.  More and more and more and more and more.  When the same people regurgitate the same opinion it gets on others' nerves.  And to read the way it comes across, one can practically hear the - let's call them "critics" - screaming from their keyboards.

 

And for some, it's based on not spending money for the sake of spending it IMO.  Like I should feel more comfortable about a so-so RT if he cost $6M/year instead of about half that.  Or the barrage of complaints about not signing someone like Pettigrew to a $5M/year contract to make sure his prior team didn't one-up us.  

 

Idzik has 1 year of GMing under his belt.  Even if you like him so far, as I do, you still can't give him a full grade.  I think things he's done that have been very good get brushed aside as though anyone would have done exactly the same thing and gotten exactly the same results (like getting a higher first round pick for Revis, with 1 suitor, when the guy needs a new $16M/year contract to keep him).  I think this is a convenient stance to take, and some of the same complainers were pissed he didn't take a 2nd & something else the next season, as was TB's alleged top offer, when they thought Idzik had overplayed his hand.  Also it's convenient to overlook, by the non-moves, all the bad moves that were not made.  Non-moves are never compared to bad moves in hindsight; they're only compared to moves that would have been tremendous boons to the franchise for years.  Talk about a convenient position to take.

 

I think those complaining - and hey, I complain plenty - are taking no less of a know-everything position than those who don't share the opinion.  That if money is available, then it must be spent right away.  My opinion is this is what got us into a hole that's taking us 3 years to climb out of (when you count the last year of Tannenbaum's tenure).  Top players are worth top money.  Mediocre ones are not.  At the same time, a team that isn't a realistic contender right now has little business forking over $12M/year on a 1 year contract for a CB no matter how many years he once played for the Jets.  I think you are very mistaken that Revis would have jumped on a deal as you described, but that's my opinion.  That if he would have accepted that, then he wouldn't have required even a 1 year team option in NE to cost them some $25M.  He wants to get back up to $16M asap, and is betting on himself on a 1 year deal in NE while 100% healthy the whole season.  If he'd take $12-13M/year for an extended deal NE could have given him that.  If that's truly what he wanted then he wouldn't have jumped at NE's 1 year deal before taking a few days to shop around as a FA.  Last, I think it is an even bigger reach to believe that Idzik made that call - the call to not call - on his own.  It's a non-move I agree with, and it isn't because I have any affinity for the non-self-made man that is Woody Johnson.

 

I think his draft last year was good with the obvious exceptions of his OL picks.  But they were all just rookies, and one of them (Campbell) was known to be a project from day 1.  Smith was a value pick at a position of obvious need.  Mornhinweg thinks he'll turn out ok (or that's what he sold Eric Decker anyway), and it's tough to expect immediate results from him based on his prior experience, limited snaps with starters last summer, and then an injury that limited him in the final weeks of his first NFL summer.  He'll either improve or he won't.  But I can hardly argue with the value of the pick, particularly in a piss poor QB draft.  The rest of the offseason was filling stop-gap players with his limited resources.  Also a rebuilding team needs draft picks, and it seems he wanted to max out on compensatory picks, which means not signing true UFAs when cut players will do as well (e.g. Willie Colon).

 

This year we really had one MASSIVE need, and that was at receiver.  I say only 1 massive need because it was a unit we needed multiple players for.  For that, you have to do better than just drafting, since the odds of drafting and starting 2 rookie WRs is as close to zero as it is for Mark Sanchez to win the NFL MVP award this season (or ever).  We have other areas of need, but they're a lot easier to find productive veterans for later IMO.  Guard, a 3rd corner, a safety, a 3rd down back better than Powell, a TE...these positions I'd rather see what we can get in the draft from our mountain of picks, before we over-commit to huge dollars for a veteran who isn't a long-term solution anyway (like either corner NE signed) or frankly isn't good enough to justify the dollars it would have taken to get him (Howard, Pettigrew, and maybe DRC).  I'm sure we're not done in free agency yet.  I just think he had a plan to really use his loads of draft picks in a loaded draft to further build the team.  What interrupts that is throwing huge dollars at players who aren't really that good, or who are temporary indulgences like Revis.  So we signed the biggest name available at the biggest need position.  We may yet sign another, but if we don't I really won't get into an uproar with such a deep WR draft coming up in a month.

 

But it's all just opinion.  Some people who come here for a release, or for a break from busy lives, or just for entertainment.  It's annoying to them to see thread after thread about a singular opinion (that we have so much cap room and have no patience to not spend it heavily right away).  How could a person seriously get ANGRY about not signing Austin Howard for over $6M/yr, Brandon Pettigrew for over $4M/yr, or both? Really? That's who some want locked in as the Jets' starter for the next 3 seasons? The same complaint about not signing them will turn into a complaint for having signed & locked into them for so much, and it wouldn't take until mid-season.  Wasn't long ago people were furious with our GM for not sealing the deal on Asomugha. I think we know how that one would have turned out for us.

 

Your last sentence sounds good, but it seems to only be a valid opinion - for critics - if one is critical.  You can know he's terrible but you can't know that he isn't.  It's tough to read this board the past few days and come away with thinking the angry folks feel anything but that.  Maybe I'm just less critical because I don't see the Jets as true contenders until it's known that we have a true asset at the QB position.  Until then, frankly, it's hard for me to get excited about who we supposedly lost out on.  

 

And someday I'll learn to hit the "Post" button in between my thoughts.  Someday.  

my thoughts exactly

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Sperm's post was brilliant. There is one thing that I want to add. People have said we have to apend 89.9% of our cap this year. They are wrong. You have to spend 89.9% of your cap over a 4 year period. We can move a lot more space into next year's offseason which is looking like a much better fa class.

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Fair enough.  Hey, everyone's entitled to an opinion but I think it's a matter of volume.  The # of posts that have been generated every day about how horrible things are has grown exponentially.  The first few times, hey, whatever; Jets fans complaining is nothing that should draw attention.  But it's nonstop.  More and more and more and more and more.  When the same people regurgitate the same opinion it gets on others' nerves.  And to read the way it comes across, one can practically hear the - let's call them "critics" - screaming from their keyboards.

 

And for some, it's based on not spending money for the sake of spending it IMO.  Like I should feel more comfortable about a so-so RT if he cost $6M/year instead of about half that.  Or the barrage of complaints about not signing someone like Pettigrew to a $5M/year contract to make sure his prior team didn't one-up us.  

 

Idzik has 1 year of GMing under his belt.  Even if you like him so far, as I do, you still can't give him a full grade.  I think things he's done that have been very good get brushed aside as though anyone would have done exactly the same thing and gotten exactly the same results (like getting a higher first round pick for Revis, with 1 suitor, when the guy needs a new $16M/year contract to keep him).  I think this is a convenient stance to take, and some of the same complainers were pissed he didn't take a 2nd & something else the next season, as was TB's alleged top offer, when they thought Idzik had overplayed his hand.  Also it's convenient to overlook, by the non-moves, all the bad moves that were not made.  Non-moves are never compared to bad moves in hindsight; they're only compared to moves that would have been tremendous boons to the franchise for years.  Talk about a convenient position to take.

 

I think those complaining - and hey, I complain plenty - are taking no less of a know-everything position than those who don't share the opinion.  That if money is available, then it must be spent right away.  My opinion is this is what got us into a hole that's taking us 3 years to climb out of (when you count the last year of Tannenbaum's tenure).  Top players are worth top money.  Mediocre ones are not.  At the same time, a team that isn't a realistic contender right now has little business forking over $12M/year on a 1 year contract for a CB no matter how many years he once played for the Jets.  I think you are very mistaken that Revis would have jumped on a deal as you described, but that's my opinion.  That if he would have accepted that, then he wouldn't have required even a 1 year team option in NE to cost them some $25M.  He wants to get back up to $16M asap, and is betting on himself on a 1 year deal in NE while 100% healthy the whole season.  If he'd take $12-13M/year for an extended deal NE could have given him that.  If that's truly what he wanted then he wouldn't have jumped at NE's 1 year deal before taking a few days to shop around as a FA.  Last, I think it is an even bigger reach to believe that Idzik made that call - the call to not call - on his own.  It's a non-move I agree with, and it isn't because I have any affinity for the non-self-made man that is Woody Johnson.

 

I think his draft last year was good with the obvious exceptions of his OL picks.  But they were all just rookies, and one of them (Campbell) was known to be a project from day 1.  Smith was a value pick at a position of obvious need.  Mornhinweg thinks he'll turn out ok (or that's what he sold Eric Decker anyway), and it's tough to expect immediate results from him based on his prior experience, limited snaps with starters last summer, and then an injury that limited him in the final weeks of his first NFL summer.  He'll either improve or he won't.  But I can hardly argue with the value of the pick, particularly in a piss poor QB draft.  The rest of the offseason was filling stop-gap players with his limited resources.  Also a rebuilding team needs draft picks, and it seems he wanted to max out on compensatory picks, which means not signing true UFAs when cut players will do as well (e.g. Willie Colon).

 

This year we really had one MASSIVE need, and that was at receiver.  I say only 1 massive need because it was a unit we needed multiple players for.  For that, you have to do better than just drafting, since the odds of drafting and starting 2 rookie WRs is as close to zero as it is for Mark Sanchez to win the NFL MVP award this season (or ever).  We have other areas of need, but they're a lot easier to find productive veterans for later IMO.  Guard, a 3rd corner, a safety, a 3rd down back better than Powell, a TE...these positions I'd rather see what we can get in the draft from our mountain of picks, before we over-commit to huge dollars for a veteran who isn't a long-term solution anyway (like either corner NE signed) or frankly isn't good enough to justify the dollars it would have taken to get him (Howard, Pettigrew, and maybe DRC).  I'm sure we're not done in free agency yet.  I just think he had a plan to really use his loads of draft picks in a loaded draft to further build the team.  What interrupts that is throwing huge dollars at players who aren't really that good, or who are temporary indulgences like Revis.  So we signed the biggest name available at the biggest need position.  We may yet sign another, but if we don't I really won't get into an uproar with such a deep WR draft coming up in a month.

 

But it's all just opinion.  Some people who come here for a release, or for a break from busy lives, or just for entertainment.  It's annoying to them to see thread after thread about a singular opinion (that we have so much cap room and have no patience to not spend it heavily right away).  How could a person seriously get ANGRY about not signing Austin Howard for over $6M/yr, Brandon Pettigrew for over $4M/yr, or both? Really? That's who some want locked in as the Jets' starter for the next 3 seasons? The same complaint about not signing them will turn into a complaint for having signed & locked into them for so much, and it wouldn't take until mid-season.  Wasn't long ago people were furious with our GM for not sealing the deal on Asomugha. I think we know how that one would have turned out for us.

 

Your last sentence sounds good, but it seems to only be a valid opinion - for critics - if one is critical.  You can know he's terrible but you can't know that he isn't.  It's tough to read this board the past few days and come away with thinking the angry folks feel anything but that.  Maybe I'm just less critical because I don't see the Jets as true contenders until it's known that we have a true asset at the QB position.  Until then, frankly, it's hard for me to get excited about who we supposedly lost out on.  

 

And someday I'll learn to hit the "Post" button in between my thoughts.  Someday.  

 

Don't you ever change one damn bit, Sperm.  You're special just the way you are.  And I'm totally not saying that just because I want to make sure there still continues to be at least one other person on this board who can ramble on for as long as I can.

 

Seriously though, I read every damn word of this diatribe and agree with all of it.  Very well said.

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It's amazing how there are about 10 or so people on this board who are convinced that they are God's gift to knowing football. They spew their opinions as undeniable facts and bash, ignore and brag, mock, everyone who does not agree with them. When proven wrong, or questioned they turn hostile, or go on the attack. Are all Jets boards like this?  

I am a gift to football mock drafts around the world. I spew, bash and correct mispellers. I once predicted that a WR would be good, and since then I've been labeled a gift to Jetnation by jetnationers. I ignore "Idzig" bashers and correct people who falsely disagree with my awesomeness. I am questioned, but im NEVER proven wrong (unless im am proven wrong, um....nevermind). After my Alshon Jeffery prediction Jetnation looks to me for all things wide receivers (The next two good ones are Jordan Matthews from Vanderbilt and Cody Latimer from Indiana). When Jetnation doesnt look to me for an answer I offer my answer anyway. Did I already say that I am a gift to all football mock drafts around the world?

 

As for hostility. Im not hostile, I just keep seeing new bloggers doing the same thing over and over again expecting to get a different result. Asking if all jet forums are the same. It makes me feel like this. 

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I blame JoeWillie78. Not specifically, but there are certain posters that have let a tone be set by being so one-note and obnoxious that they engender this type of response and it's started to creep into all interactions on the board.

 

There is also a lot of good natured ball breaking that happens between familiar posters that can be misinterpreted if you are not sure whether you are "in" or not.

 

And then there are the wiseasses. There's some of that too. So overall, you get what we have here now.

Wow, I leave and get blamed for the downfall of JN.

 

I swear, I don't know where that PLANE is.

 

By the way, Cornell 11  Yale 9 in LAX.

 

Geno Smith sucks

 

Rex Ryan couldn't coach a girls softball team.

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Wow, I leave and get blamed for the downfall of JN.

 

I swear, I don't know where that PLANE is.

 

By the way, Cornell 11  Yale 9 in LAX.

 

Geno Smith sucks

 

Rex Ryan couldn't coach a girls softball team.

We were just worried about you.  Thought maybe you OD'ed on that Coors stuff

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I think it's natural for fansite discussions to get overly detailed (maybe heated), and I simply don't get involved.  

 

Team Managers have to make about 3 decisions in the next month. (the exact number not my point)

 

Fansites however, have commentary happening 24/7.  We see dozens of 'topics' a day about people who have maybe 1 or 2 notable things to do all week.  It's inevitable that we're discussing, overdiscussing and over-overdiscussing the team's activities.

 

People are going to argue about whether Decker's contract leaves enough cap space for green toilet paper in the locker room.  I just step back and take it with a grain of salt.

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Fair enough.  Hey, everyone's entitled to an opinion but I think it's a matter of volume.  The # of posts that have been generated every day about how horrible things are has grown exponentially.  The first few times, hey, whatever; Jets fans complaining is nothing that should draw attention.  But it's nonstop.  More and more and more and more and more.  When the same people regurgitate the same opinion it gets on others' nerves.  And to read the way it comes across, one can practically hear the - let's call them "critics" - screaming from their keyboards.

 

And for some, it's based on not spending money for the sake of spending it IMO.  Like I should feel more comfortable about a so-so RT if he cost $6M/year instead of about half that.  Or the barrage of complaints about not signing someone like Pettigrew to a $5M/year contract to make sure his prior team didn't one-up us.  

 

Idzik has 1 year of GMing under his belt.  Even if you like him so far, as I do, you still can't give him a full grade.  I think things he's done that have been very good get brushed aside as though anyone would have done exactly the same thing and gotten exactly the same results (like getting a higher first round pick for Revis, with 1 suitor, when the guy needs a new $16M/year contract to keep him).  I think this is a convenient stance to take, and some of the same complainers were pissed he didn't take a 2nd & something else the next season, as was TB's alleged top offer, when they thought Idzik had overplayed his hand.  Also it's convenient to overlook, by the non-moves, all the bad moves that were not made.  Non-moves are never compared to bad moves in hindsight; they're only compared to moves that would have been tremendous boons to the franchise for years.  Talk about a convenient position to take.

 

I think those complaining - and hey, I complain plenty - are taking no less of a know-everything position than those who don't share the opinion.  That if money is available, then it must be spent right away.  My opinion is this is what got us into a hole that's taking us 3 years to climb out of (when you count the last year of Tannenbaum's tenure).  Top players are worth top money.  Mediocre ones are not.  At the same time, a team that isn't a realistic contender right now has little business forking over $12M/year on a 1 year contract for a CB no matter how many years he once played for the Jets.  I think you are very mistaken that Revis would have jumped on a deal as you described, but that's my opinion.  That if he would have accepted that, then he wouldn't have required even a 1 year team option in NE to cost them some $25M.  He wants to get back up to $16M asap, and is betting on himself on a 1 year deal in NE while 100% healthy the whole season.  If he'd take $12-13M/year for an extended deal NE could have given him that.  If that's truly what he wanted then he wouldn't have jumped at NE's 1 year deal before taking a few days to shop around as a FA.  Last, I think it is an even bigger reach to believe that Idzik made that call - the call to not call - on his own.  It's a non-move I agree with, and it isn't because I have any affinity for the non-self-made man that is Woody Johnson.

 

I think his draft last year was good with the obvious exceptions of his OL picks.  But they were all just rookies, and one of them (Campbell) was known to be a project from day 1.  Smith was a value pick at a position of obvious need.  Mornhinweg thinks he'll turn out ok (or that's what he sold Eric Decker anyway), and it's tough to expect immediate results from him based on his prior experience, limited snaps with starters last summer, and then an injury that limited him in the final weeks of his first NFL summer.  He'll either improve or he won't.  But I can hardly argue with the value of the pick, particularly in a piss poor QB draft.  The rest of the offseason was filling stop-gap players with his limited resources.  Also a rebuilding team needs draft picks, and it seems he wanted to max out on compensatory picks, which means not signing true UFAs when cut players will do as well (e.g. Willie Colon).

 

This year we really had one MASSIVE need, and that was at receiver.  I say only 1 massive need because it was a unit we needed multiple players for.  For that, you have to do better than just drafting, since the odds of drafting and starting 2 rookie WRs is as close to zero as it is for Mark Sanchez to win the NFL MVP award this season (or ever).  We have other areas of need, but they're a lot easier to find productive veterans for later IMO.  Guard, a 3rd corner, a safety, a 3rd down back better than Powell, a TE...these positions I'd rather see what we can get in the draft from our mountain of picks, before we over-commit to huge dollars for a veteran who isn't a long-term solution anyway (like either corner NE signed) or frankly isn't good enough to justify the dollars it would have taken to get him (Howard, Pettigrew, and maybe DRC).  I'm sure we're not done in free agency yet.  I just think he had a plan to really use his loads of draft picks in a loaded draft to further build the team.  What interrupts that is throwing huge dollars at players who aren't really that good, or who are temporary indulgences like Revis.  So we signed the biggest name available at the biggest need position.  We may yet sign another, but if we don't I really won't get into an uproar with such a deep WR draft coming up in a month.

 

But it's all just opinion.  Some people who come here for a release, or for a break from busy lives, or just for entertainment.  It's annoying to them to see thread after thread about a singular opinion (that we have so much cap room and have no patience to not spend it heavily right away).  How could a person seriously get ANGRY about not signing Austin Howard for over $6M/yr, Brandon Pettigrew for over $4M/yr, or both? Really? That's who some want locked in as the Jets' starter for the next 3 seasons? The same complaint about not signing them will turn into a complaint for having signed & locked into them for so much, and it wouldn't take until mid-season.  Wasn't long ago people were furious with our GM for not sealing the deal on Asomugha. I think we know how that one would have turned out for us.

 

Your last sentence sounds good, but it seems to only be a valid opinion - for critics - if one is critical.  You can know he's terrible but you can't know that he isn't.  It's tough to read this board the past few days and come away with thinking the angry folks feel anything but that.  Maybe I'm just less critical because I don't see the Jets as true contenders until it's known that we have a true asset at the QB position.  Until then, frankly, it's hard for me to get excited about who we supposedly lost out on.  

 

And someday I'll learn to hit the "Post" button in between my thoughts.  Someday.  

This deserved its own thread. 

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It's amazing how there are about 10 or so people on this board who are convinced that they are God's gift to knowing football. They spew their opinions as undeniable facts and bash, ignore and brag, mock, everyone who does not agree with them. When proven wrong, or questioned they turn hostile, or go on the attack. Are all Jets boards like this?

You are right. Learn how to play the game and get under their skin.

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Wow, I leave and get blamed for the downfall of JN.

 

I swear, I don't know where that PLANE is.

 

By the way, Cornell 11  Yale 9 in LAX.

 

Geno Smith sucks

 

Rex Ryan couldn't coach a girls softball team.

 

You somehow made all the other bad posters go away. I want to hang you on hook and never turn you off. 

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What I don't understand is the need to start incessant thread after thread of complaints that are roughly about the same thing. As much as I disagree with the viewpoint that the Jets are just acting like morons by being passive in FA, I'm fine with people having differing viewpoints, But please stop using this site as your personal blog to bitch about how you think the FO are morons. It's not special, it makes you look like a two-year-old whining.

 

 

 

If you pay a landscaper to take care of your yard and he sits around doing squat, letting the plants die... are you going to sit in your house and do nothing or get on the guys a$$ about screwing up?

 

Why is it OK for people to come on here, with their rose colored glasses and just mindlessly praise Idzik for his Paralysis... saying it's uncanny wisdom?

 

It's called "Ying AND Yang"   and

 

Newton's Third Law

 

For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.

u2l4a2.gifThe statement means that in every interaction, there is a pair of forces acting on the two interacting objects.

 

For every "Kool-Aid drinking Idzik Zombie" there is a " Sky is Falling Pissed-off Maniac"

 

It's the way of the world!

 

Get used to it!!

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If you pay a landscaper to take care of your yard and he sits around doing squat, letting the plants die... are you going to sit in your house and do nothing or get on the guys a$$ about screwing up?

Why is it OK for people to come on here, with their rose colored glasses and just mindlessly praise Idzik for his Paralysis... saying it's uncanny wisdom?

It's called "Ying AND Yang" and

Newton's Third Law

For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.

u2l4a2.gifThe statement means that in every interaction, there is a pair of forces acting on the two interacting objects.

For every "Kool-Aid drinking Idzik Zombie" there is a " Sky is Falling Pissed-off Maniac"

It's the way of the world!

Get used to it!!

So, get on it. Go visit izdik and tell him how unhappy you are. In your scenario you would be going on an agriculture forum complaining incessantly about your gardener.

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If you pay a landscaper to take care of your yard and he sits around doing squat, letting the plants die... are you going to sit in your house and do nothing or get on the guys a$$ about screwing up?

 

Why is it OK for people to come on here, with their rose colored glasses and just mindlessly praise Idzik for his Paralysis... saying it's uncanny wisdom?

 

It's called "Ying AND Yang"   and

 

Newton's Third Law

 

For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.

u2l4a2.gifThe statement means that in every interaction, there is a pair of forces acting on the two interacting objects.

 

For every "Kool-Aid drinking Idzik Zombie" there is a " Sky is Falling Pissed-off Maniac"

 

It's the way of the world!

 

Get used to it!!

 

 

Except that when you pay a landscaper to do a job, doing nothing is NEVER what you're paying him to do.  Sometimes a GM's job is to NOT do things, unlike a landscaper who is never asked to stop and think of the long-term future instead of mowing the now foot-high lawn.

 

A good GM should know when to make a move, when to make a move but only at a certain price, and when to go "all in" if enough pieces are there.

 

People used to complain every single season, every single offseason, and especially after every loss, that we weren't building enough through the draft, then filling the few remaining holes in FA and spend big doing it.  Well we still have more than a few holes (and a few more that aren't holes per se, but we sure could use upgrades).  Building through the draft doesn't mean drafting a class and giving them 1 season to show something, and if they aren't good as rookies then ditch them and spend all-out in FA and never give those guys 2nd seasons.  

 

Well we got that now.  And the complaints are even bigger than before.

 

If we were in NE's position, with a great QB (even if he's not as great as he once was), and enough elsewhere to say they have a good chance of winning a SB this year if they had this or that player here or there.  BB is a defensive guy who keeps getting knocked out of the playoffs because his defense is letting them down. Then he sees Seattle shut down the #1 offense ever, and accepts that he sucks ass at drafting CBs, and signs 2 ready-now corners.  It's smart for him because of the situation NE is in.  

 

Those same moves are not smart for us because we aren't remotely in their situation.  We don't have a sure thing with 1-3 years left.   We have a 2nd year never-was who we hope takes 10 steps forward from his rookie season, since that's what will be required for him to just be average.  Going all-in on Geno Smith is no smarter than Tannenbaum going all-in on Mark Sanchez.  It is doing the exactly same thing.  Exactly.  And that's what people want? And that is what passes for "smart" GMing now?

 

We're supposed to be happy when the team's GM doesn't pay top dollar or above-average dollar for below-average talent.  We're supposed to be happy that the GM wants to build through the draft, and give those draft picks more than 1 rookie season to show they're as good as seasoned veterans.  This was suppposed to be the answer to prayers that people have asked for for years.  Now it's a source of misery. lol

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