Villain The Foe Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 I think Idzik's moves are based on the contracts currently given to the coaching staff. Rex Ryan is on a 1 year extension. I dont think that Idzik is setting Ryan up for failure, but I do feel that Idzik is trying to keep untied cap space in case Ryan isnt here next year. If Idzik tied up all of the cap with multi-year contracts on players that favors Ryans style and for whatever reason the jets dont prosper and Rex is released then the Jets are in a situation where they have a new coach coming in with a new coaching staff and players that might not fit the scheme of the new coach. I think this makes sense given that guys like Wilkerson hasnt been given a new deal. Wilkerson isnt going anywhere so why tie up new money on him. I do believe that Idzik will draft based on what can help Rex, but I feel like Idzik is leaving a safety valve available in case he has to hire a new coaching staff. For this reason, I now understand why when you hire a new GM you do not force him to keep a HC. Its unfair to both parties. I dont believe the conspiracy that Idzik is trying to undermine Rex. Rex was the HC of a team that every "credible expert" thought would be the worst team in the league and for what its worth they may have been right based on the talent and in ways based on the relationship forced on Rex and agreed upon by Idzik. Rex finished the season in the middle of the pack and beat some teams that fielded better talent on Sunday. Rex Ryan is being put to the test, which I believe in the long run will benefit him as a coach in the NFL because he's learning how to develop young players as well as learning to out coach teams that field better talent. Im not of the mindset that Idzik dropped the ball during FA, I do feel that he's looking for dollar value players with upside. I also think that Idzik is looking at this "deep draft" as an opportunity to provide very good players for Rex at rookie prices, and if things dont work out then Idzik has these young players under rookie contracts while keeping cap room to provide FA players to his new coaching staff if that comes about. To conclude, if people want to see a bit more action from the Jets in FA then the HC needs not to be on a 1 year extension. You dont invest your cap into multi-year deals and guaranteed money on players for a coach on a 1 year extension. Thats like paying a female escort for services then trying to marry her. I think Idzik and Rex both have the best interest of the Jets in mind, but both are not committed to one another enough in order for their intent to come to fruition. Idzik is trying to redevelop the entire roster yet Ryan is on borrowed time. The one mistake here was not giving Rex a multiyear deal after the Dolphins game. They should have either given him a multi-year contract or let him walk. What do you guys think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack48 Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 I am resigned to the fact of Rex being here but I felt and feel that you do not hire a GM and not let him pick a coach. It could still work of course, if Geno makes giant strides. I feel the D will be better this year with upgrades at LB and safety, and I think they will get those. It is really hard for rookie QBs in this league, especially coming out of a totally college offense, and more especially being expected to complete passes to a group of turdmuffins like the ones we had here last year. We shall see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 I don't think Rex earned a multi-year deal, therefore should not have been given one. I think he earned not getting fired, but I wasn't even convinced he earned the paper-extension that he got. It's been presented that you can't do that and coaches can't ever coach the last year of their contracts, but I think that logic is senseless. Everyone still views Rex as a lame-duck coach if he doesn't produce, so the extension was a head-scratcher for me. All it did was guarantee Rex more money from Woody (which I'm fine with). Thing is he was already under contract for 2014 and the extension doesn't mean we're keeping him around any longer than not offering an extension. So I don't agree with the logic, but that's me. I agree about the silliness of Idzik sabotaging Rex. Idzik is in year 2 of his first GM job. His own job isn't secure enough to tank his 2nd season. If the Jets went 2-14 this season, Idzik would (appropriately) be tossed into the street with Rex. I don't think he's keeping away from certain FAs because his HC is a lame duck of sorts. I think he's keeping away from the ones he has because he doesn't view them as being worth what it would have taken to sign them. Also I think he wants to build through the draft and fill the last holes with high priced FAs, not the other way around. It is further the opposite of this strategy if he does so as he enters a very deep draft while holding onto 12 picks. Idzik's idea (or what it seems to be to me) is to get the best players possible when you have this many areas that could use upgrading, and avoid drafting for need. More appropriately, he wants to avoid avoiding a draftee because he isn't in an area of need. He showed with the Richardson pick that he's going to take the best player he can get his hands on, whether the position is on his "we need this bady" list or not. Good post/thread, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 I understand, support and am cautiously optimistic about the approach as I see it the results could be better I don't think idzik is much of a salesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 I understand, support and am cautiously optimistic about the approach as I see it the results could be better I don't think idzik is much of a salesman Sold Decker on Geno Smith being a QB that would showcase his talents. That's quite the bottle of snake oil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Sold Decker on Geno Smith being a QB that would showcase his talents. That's quite the bottle of snake oil. meh, I think decker is working on being a celebri-couple and making a ton on Madison avenue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 meh, I think decker is working on being a celebri-couple and making a ton on Madison avenue This isn't 1957. In the internet age, a player can make a ton of money marketing himself without being in/around NYC. If he wants to be visible, he'll be visible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 This isn't 1957. A player can make a ton of money marketing himself without being in/around NYC. true but his little lady started her career in NYC, and I just get the feeling that was a big part of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eboozer Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 I think Idzik's moves are based on the contracts currently given to the coaching staff. Rex Ryan is on a 1 year extension. I dont think that Idzik is setting Ryan up for failure, but I do feel that Idzik is trying to keep untied cap space in case Ryan isnt here next year. If Idzik tied up all of the cap with multi-year contracts on players that favors Ryans style and for whatever reason the jets dont prosper and Rex is released then the Jets are in a situation where they have a new coach coming in with a new coaching staff and players that might not fit the scheme of the new coach. I think this makes sense given that guys like Wilkerson hasnt been given a new deal. Wilkerson isnt going anywhere so why tie up new money on him. I do believe that Idzik will draft based on what can help Rex, but I feel like Idzik is leaving a safety valve available in case he has to hire a new coaching staff. For this reason, I now understand why when you hire a new GM you do not force him to keep a HC. Its unfair to both parties. I dont believe the conspiracy that Idzik is trying to undermine Rex. Rex was the HC of a team that every "credible expert" thought would be the worst team in the league and for what its worth they may have been right based on the talent and in ways based on the relationship forced on Rex and agreed upon by Idzik. Rex finished the season in the middle of the pack and beat some teams that fielded better talent on Sunday. Rex Ryan is being put to the test, which I believe in the long run will benefit him as a coach in the NFL because he's learning how to develop young players as well as learning to out coach teams that field better talent. Im not of the mindset that Idzik dropped the ball during FA, I do feel that he's looking for dollar value players with upside. I also think that Idzik is looking at this "deep draft" as an opportunity to provide very good players for Rex at rookie prices, and if things dont work out then Idzik has these young players under rookie contracts while keeping cap room to provide FA players to his new coaching staff if that comes about. To conclude, if people want to see a bit more action from the Jets in FA then the HC needs not to be on a 1 year extension. You dont invest your cap into multi-year deals and guaranteed money on players for a coach on a 1 year extension. Thats like paying a female escort for services then trying to marry her. I think Idzik and Rex both have the best interest of the Jets in mind, but both are not committed to one another enough in order for their intent to come to fruition. Idzik is trying to redevelop the entire roster yet Ryan is on borrowed time. The one mistake here was not giving Rex a multiyear deal after the Dolphins game. They should have either given him a multi-year contract or let him walk. What do you guys think? One of the "Cool Girls" hacked Villain's account. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 true but his little lady started her career in NYC, and I just get the feeling that was a big part of it She could live in Montana and get nonstop media coverage. She doesn't have to be "seen" in public where she lives. Take a trip to the city on a record company's private jet, do something that will make headlines, fly home, make 200 tweets about it (ideally while getting into a "feud" with another celeb). They don't need to live here to do this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted March 21, 2014 Author Share Posted March 21, 2014 One of the "Cool Girls" hacked Villain's account. Idzik just Ninja'd my account. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eboozer Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Does anyone know when the compensatory draft picks are announced? I remember a thread discussing NFL offseason schedule. It had the comp picks slated for March 17th(IIRC) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Does anyone know when the compensatory draft picks are announced? I remember a thread discussing NFL offseason schedule. It had the comp picks slated for March 17th(IIRC) March 23-26 during the owners' meetings. Says so in a bunch of articles online. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eboozer Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 March 23-26 during the owners' meetings. Says so in a bunch of articles online. Maybe the way I Googled it was the problem. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets Voice of Reason Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 http://www.newyorkjets.com/videos/videos/Idzik-%E2%80%98Were-Trying-to-Build-Sustainable-Success/f18367ac-3398-423c-8f49-5f59aac72c6c I think that interview shows a little bit about his approach. It's about value, flexibility, and building "sustainable success", i.e. taking the long-view on building the team. In general, all his moves so far have shown that he is big on minimizing risk, whether that is through cap management or maximizing the amount of information you have on a player. I mean, I think the Rex factor takes place in the sense that they might have conflicting motivations. Rex knows he has a short leash and wants to win now to secure his job. Idzik wants to take the long term view to build a champion. What's promising for us is that Idzik isn't exactly caving in to Rex demands. I know this because we'd have Revis and/or DRC if that were the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eboozer Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 If this is the Jets approach with 8 of their 12 picks I'd be happy. Add in a few more solid picks and Idzik will have taken the 1st step in repairing our broken relationship. Not sure if Cooks would be the guy I'd take, but not knowing who else was available @ 18, I guess I'd have to be happy they took a WR. A reach @ 18 for a slot guy, but I like the rest of the mock. http://thejetpress.com/2014/03/20/new-york-jets-7-round-mock-draft-brandin-cooks-kyle-fuller-cj-fiedorowicz/ There is no denying it, the 2014 NFL Draft is huge for the New York Jets. The Jets will likely have 12 picks in the draft once the compensatory picks are awarded to teams. The Jets have filled some needs in free agency, but many of the holes on the roster will be fixed with the draft. Expect there to be many scenarios in which people try to predict the picks second year General Manager John Idzik will make for the Jets. This is my early prediction for who John Idzik may pick in all seven rounds, barring any trades.Round 1 Pick 18- WR Brandin Cooks, Oregon State- Don’t believe the notion that the Jets cannot draft Cooks because they already have a slot guy in Jeremy Kerley and signed Eric Decker. Simply put, the Jets need all the offensive weapons they can get. Cooks would be a tremendous addition to the Jets offense. A trio of Cooks, Kerley, and Decker suddenly gives the Jets a very respectable group of wide receivers.Round 2 Pick 49- CB Kyle Fuller Virginia Tech- Fuller has flown under the radar throughout the combine process. But in my opinion, Fuller is easily a top 5 cornerback in this draft. With the Jets having a big hole to fill at cornerback, Fuller has the potential to step right in and start opposite Dee Milliner if needed.Round 3 Pick 80- TE CJ Fiedorowicz Iowa- The Jets will also need to address the tight end position, even after bringing back Jeff Cumberland. Adding Fiedorowicz will give Geno Smith another receiving threat, and will also help the running game due to his ability to block. The former Iowa tight end would be a solid pick for the Jets in the third round.Round 4 Pick 100- OG/OT Billy Turner North Dakota State- The Jets still have a hole at the right guard spot, and even though they brought back Willie Colon, the Jets could still use some depth on the line. Adding Turner would give the Jets some much needed depth on the offensive line.Round 4 Pick 111- OLB Adrian Hubbard Alabama- The Jets bringing back Calvin Pace should not stop them from getting younger at the OLB position. Hubbard would be a nice complementary player who can come in and rush the pass rusher on the outside. Hubbard needs to improve in stopping the run, but he would be a solid 4th round pick.Round 5 Pick 142- De’Anthony Thomas- The Jets have been needing to give a boost to the punt returner and kick returner spots. Adding the speedster Thomas would fill those holes right away. Thomas would also provide good depth at RB, and can also be used as a slot receiver due to his speed, even though he is undersized.Round 6 Pick 189- S Vinnie Sunseri Alabama- Sunseri is coming off a rough leg injury that kept him out of action for majority of the 2013 season at Alabama. Sunseri was one of the leaders of the Crimson Tide defense, and would be a quality 6th round pick for the Jets who could use the depth at the safety position.Round 7- QB Logan Thomas Virgina Tech- I fully expect the Jets to add a QB in free agency, whether it is Mike Vick, who is reportedly visiting the Jets this weekend or another veteran. But I fully expect them to draft one as well. Taking a chance on Logan Thomas this late in the draft would not be a bad idea for the Jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 The only thing I know is this: anything bad that happens this season is not Rex's fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 The only thing I know is this: anything bad that happens this season is not Rex's fault. And anything good that happens won't be a result of his coaching. Amirite? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SickJetFan Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 My thoughts on the jets approach... ... Hmm.. ... Hmmm .... Think I will paint the entire house come sept... ... Hmmm ... When I think idziot...i think of deer and headlights ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 idziot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 The only thing I know is this: anything bad that happens this season is not Rex's fault. so then JIF hacked your s\account Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SickJetFan Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 That is f#$%kg awesome!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 I think Idzik's moves are based on the contracts currently given to the coaching staff. Rex Ryan is on a 1 year extension. I dont think that Idzik is setting Ryan up for failure, but I do feel that Idzik is trying to keep untied cap space in case Ryan isnt here next year. If Idzik tied up all of the cap with multi-year contracts on players that favors Ryans style and for whatever reason the jets dont prosper and Rex is released then the Jets are in a situation where they have a new coach coming in with a new coaching staff and players that might not fit the scheme of the new coach. I think this makes sense given that guys like Wilkerson hasnt been given a new deal. Wilkerson isnt going anywhere so why tie up new money on him. I do believe that Idzik will draft based on what can help Rex, but I feel like Idzik is leaving a safety valve available in case he has to hire a new coaching staff. For this reason, I now understand why when you hire a new GM you do not force him to keep a HC. Its unfair to both parties. I dont believe the conspiracy that Idzik is trying to undermine Rex. Rex was the HC of a team that every "credible expert" thought would be the worst team in the league and for what its worth they may have been right based on the talent and in ways based on the relationship forced on Rex and agreed upon by Idzik. Rex finished the season in the middle of the pack and beat some teams that fielded better talent on Sunday. Rex Ryan is being put to the test, which I believe in the long run will benefit him as a coach in the NFL because he's learning how to develop young players as well as learning to out coach teams that field better talent. Im not of the mindset that Idzik dropped the ball during FA, I do feel that he's looking for dollar value players with upside. I also think that Idzik is looking at this "deep draft" as an opportunity to provide very good players for Rex at rookie prices, and if things dont work out then Idzik has these young players under rookie contracts while keeping cap room to provide FA players to his new coaching staff if that comes about. To conclude, if people want to see a bit more action from the Jets in FA then the HC needs not to be on a 1 year extension. You dont invest your cap into multi-year deals and guaranteed money on players for a coach on a 1 year extension. Thats like paying a female escort for services then trying to marry her. I think Idzik and Rex both have the best interest of the Jets in mind, but both are not committed to one another enough in order for their intent to come to fruition. Idzik is trying to redevelop the entire roster yet Ryan is on borrowed time. The one mistake here was not giving Rex a multiyear deal after the Dolphins game. They should have either given him a multi-year contract or let him walk. What do you guys think? Villain if Idzik is holding back money so as not to fully support Rex and his scheme like you mention in your first paragraph (for various reasons) wouldnt that be exactly what you say idzik is not doing in your second paragraph I mean dont you have to do everything at your disposal to have the Coach and the team succeed ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 The only thing I know is this: anything bad that happens this season is not Rex's fault. Wrong We SCIENTIFICALLY know that everything bad will happen, again, and that it is will all be Rex's doing. #Boylemmetellya #DefenseDon'tWinChampionships Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted March 21, 2014 Author Share Posted March 21, 2014 Villain if Idzik is holding back money so as not to fully support Rex and his scheme like you mention in your first paragraph (for various reasons) wouldnt that be exactly what you say idzik is not doing in your second paragraph I mean dont you have to do everything at your disposal to have the Coach and the team succeed ? Not necessarily. I dont think Idzik is undermining Rex. Like I said towards the end of my post, its hard provide multi year deals on players to a coach on a 1 year extension. This is why I think that Idziks approach is really draft based and getting low cap/high value guys and drafting for the BAP. I think that if Rex was "the coach" here on out then free agency could be approached differently. What happens if Rex is fired and all that cap money is tied up in players that the new coaching staff had no influence in picking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoicsentry Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 You know this speculation existed about Mrs. Decker before the off-season even began, and now here we are. Decker makes his first and only trip to the Jets, where there's no QB? Doesn't even look around elsewhere? Seems suspicious at best. As for Rex vs. Idzik, there's no reason why Rex must be fired if he doesn't make the playoffs this year. That is part of the GM's calculation, sure, but he knows what team he's giving Rex this season and so does Woody. I don't think Idzik is secure enough in his GM job to purposefully sabotage Rex and thus irritate Mr. Johnson. For all we know, Idzik could have met with Rex and discussed this strategy with him in advance and made his task all about being competitive and developing the team next year as opposed to securing a playoff spot. In this way, he would be giving Rex a certain kind of expectation but that expectation just might not include playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 You know this speculation existed about Mrs. Decker before the off-season even began, and now here we are. Decker makes his first and only trip to the Jets, where there's no QB? Doesn't even look around elsewhere? Seems suspicious at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornJetsFan1983 Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 I don't think Rex earned a multi-year deal, therefore should not have been given one. I think he earned not getting fired, but I wasn't even convinced he earned the paper-extension that he got. It's been presented that you can't do that and coaches can't ever coach the last year of their contracts, but I think that logic is senseless. Everyone still views Rex as a lame-duck coach if he doesn't produce, so the extension was a head-scratcher for me. All it did was guarantee Rex more money from Woody (which I'm fine with). Thing is he was already under contract for 2014 and the extension doesn't mean we're keeping him around any longer than not offering an extension. So I don't agree with the logic, but that's me. I agree about the silliness of Idzik sabotaging Rex. Idzik is in year 2 of his first GM job. His own job isn't secure enough to tank his 2nd season. If the Jets went 2-14 this season, Idzik would (appropriately) be tossed into the street with Rex. I don't think he's keeping away from certain FAs because his HC is a lame duck of sorts. I think he's keeping away from the ones he has because he doesn't view them as being worth what it would have taken to sign them. Also I think he wants to build through the draft and fill the last holes with high priced FAs, not the other way around. It is further the opposite of this strategy if he does so as he enters a very deep draft while holding onto 12 picks. Idzik's idea (or what it seems to be to me) is to get the best players possible when you have this many areas that could use upgrading, and avoid drafting for need. More appropriately, he wants to avoid avoiding a draftee because he isn't in an area of need. He showed with the Richardson pick that he's going to take the best player he can get his hands on, whether the position is on his "we need this bady" list or not. Good post/thread, though. Excellent post, hit the right points, in addition isn't it nice to have a GM that want to build a stable and talented roster.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornJetsFan1983 Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 If this is the Jets approach with 8 of their 12 picks I'd be happy. Add in a few more solid picks and Idzik will have taken the 1st step in repairing our broken relationship. Not sure if Cooks would be the guy I'd take, but not knowing who else was available @ 18, I guess I'd have to be happy they took a WR. A reach @ 18 for a slot guy, but I like the rest of the mock. http://thejetpress.com/2014/03/20/new-york-jets-7-round-mock-draft-brandin-cooks-kyle-fuller-cj-fiedorowicz/ There is no denying it, the 2014 NFL Draft is huge for the New York Jets. The Jets will likely have 12 picks in the draft once the compensatory picks are awarded to teams. The Jets have filled some needs in free agency, but many of the holes on the roster will be fixed with the draft. Expect there to be many scenarios in which people try to predict the picks second year General Manager John Idzik will make for the Jets. This is my early prediction for who John Idzik may pick in all seven rounds, barring any trades. Round 1 Pick 18- WR Brandin Cooks, Oregon State- Don’t believe the notion that the Jets cannot draft Cooks because they already have a slot guy in Jeremy Kerley and signed Eric Decker. Simply put, the Jets need all the offensive weapons they can get. Cooks would be a tremendous addition to the Jets offense. A trio of Cooks, Kerley, and Decker suddenly gives the Jets a very respectable group of wide receivers. Round 2 Pick 49- CB Kyle Fuller Virginia Tech- Fuller has flown under the radar throughout the combine process. But in my opinion, Fuller is easily a top 5 cornerback in this draft. With the Jets having a big hole to fill at cornerback, Fuller has the potential to step right in and start opposite Dee Milliner if needed. Round 3 Pick 80- TE CJ Fiedorowicz Iowa- The Jets will also need to address the tight end position, even after bringing back Jeff Cumberland. Adding Fiedorowicz will give Geno Smith another receiving threat, and will also help the running game due to his ability to block. The former Iowa tight end would be a solid pick for the Jets in the third round. Round 4 Pick 100- OG/OT Billy Turner North Dakota State- The Jets still have a hole at the right guard spot, and even though they brought back Willie Colon, the Jets could still use some depth on the line. Adding Turner would give the Jets some much needed depth on the offensive line. Round 4 Pick 111- OLB Adrian Hubbard Alabama- The Jets bringing back Calvin Pace should not stop them from getting younger at the OLB position. Hubbard would be a nice complementary player who can come in and rush the pass rusher on the outside. Hubbard needs to improve in stopping the run, but he would be a solid 4th round pick. Round 5 Pick 142- De’Anthony Thomas- The Jets have been needing to give a boost to the punt returner and kick returner spots. Adding the speedster Thomas would fill those holes right away. Thomas would also provide good depth at RB, and can also be used as a slot receiver due to his speed, even though he is undersized. Round 6 Pick 189- S Vinnie Sunseri Alabama- Sunseri is coming off a rough leg injury that kept him out of action for majority of the 2013 season at Alabama. Sunseri was one of the leaders of the Crimson Tide defense, and would be a quality 6th round pick for the Jets who could use the depth at the safety position. Round 7- QB Logan Thomas Virgina Tech- I fully expect the Jets to add a QB in free agency, whether it is Mike Vick, who is reportedly visiting the Jets this weekend or another veteran. But I fully expect them to draft one as well. Taking a chance on Logan Thomas this late in the draft would not be a bad idea for the Jets. It will be nice to see what Idzik scouting guys come up with....we have been missing alot on the few picks we do get for a few years...yeah sure we have got some good ones too, but hope to see our 3rd 4th and 5th type guys actually can play. It seems like we have been way to comfortable with project guys, sure you can take one here or there but hopefully this guys will just pick safe guys that can come in this year and contribute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kleckineau Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 If there was a GIF of the month award. this is the winner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eboozer Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 It will be nice to see what Idzik scouting guys come up with....we have been missing alot on the few picks we do get for a few years...yeah sure we have got some good ones too, but hope to see our 3rd 4th and 5th type guys actually can play. It seems like we have been way to comfortable with project guys, sure you can take one here or there but hopefully this guys will just pick safe guys that can come in this year and contribute. If somehow the Jets trade for DeSean, WR# 1 is no longer a 1st rd. need. CB becomes the priority, with TE close behind. I'm hoping that the teams linked to him the most are SF, Pats and Jets... If Kelly trades him to NE, SF it would be a mistake. They draft lower and they may have to face a motivated DeSean in the playoffs. Go Jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 I think Idzik's moves are based on the contracts currently given to the coaching staff. Rex Ryan is on a 1 year extension. I dont think that Idzik is setting Ryan up for failure, but I do feel that Idzik is trying to keep untied cap space in case Ryan isnt here next year. If Idzik tied up all of the cap with multi-year contracts on players that favors Ryans style and for whatever reason the jets dont prosper and Rex is released then the Jets are in a situation where they have a new coach coming in with a new coaching staff and players that might not fit the scheme of the new coach. I think this makes sense given that guys like Wilkerson hasnt been given a new deal. Wilkerson isnt going anywhere so why tie up new money on him. I do believe that Idzik will draft based on what can help Rex, but I feel like Idzik is leaving a safety valve available in case he has to hire a new coaching staff. For this reason, I now understand why when you hire a new GM you do not force him to keep a HC. Its unfair to both parties. I dont believe the conspiracy that Idzik is trying to undermine Rex. Rex was the HC of a team that every "credible expert" thought would be the worst team in the league and for what its worth they may have been right based on the talent and in ways based on the relationship forced on Rex and agreed upon by Idzik. Rex finished the season in the middle of the pack and beat some teams that fielded better talent on Sunday. Rex Ryan is being put to the test, which I believe in the long run will benefit him as a coach in the NFL because he's learning how to develop young players as well as learning to out coach teams that field better talent. Im not of the mindset that Idzik dropped the ball during FA, I do feel that he's looking for dollar value players with upside. I also think that Idzik is looking at this "deep draft" as an opportunity to provide very good players for Rex at rookie prices, and if things dont work out then Idzik has these young players under rookie contracts while keeping cap room to provide FA players to his new coaching staff if that comes about. To conclude, if people want to see a bit more action from the Jets in FA then the HC needs not to be on a 1 year extension. You dont invest your cap into multi-year deals and guaranteed money on players for a coach on a 1 year extension. Thats like paying a female escort for services then trying to marry her. I think Idzik and Rex both have the best interest of the Jets in mind, but both are not committed to one another enough in order for their intent to come to fruition. Idzik is trying to redevelop the entire roster yet Ryan is on borrowed time. The one mistake here was not giving Rex a multiyear deal after the Dolphins game. They should have either given him a multi-year contract or let him walk. What do you guys think? Folks forget this is way he was trained,,build thru draft, make good trades sending draft picks for guys like marshaawn Lynch/harvin, and THEN when team is ready for legit SB run, THEN you spend money in FA like Sealltle did in 2013 and this year (jared Allen??) etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexiRoll6 Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 I think Idzik's moves are based on the contracts currently given to the coaching staff. Rex Ryan is on a 1 year extension. I dont think that Idzik is setting Ryan up for failure, but I do feel that Idzik is trying to keep untied cap space in case Ryan isnt here next year. If Idzik tied up all of the cap with multi-year contracts on players that favors Ryans style and for whatever reason the jets dont prosper and Rex is released then the Jets are in a situation where they have a new coach coming in with a new coaching staff and players that might not fit the scheme of the new coach. I think this makes sense given that guys like Wilkerson hasnt been given a new deal. Wilkerson isnt going anywhere so why tie up new money on him. I do believe that Idzik will draft based on what can help Rex, but I feel like Idzik is leaving a safety valve available in case he has to hire a new coaching staff. For this reason, I now understand why when you hire a new GM you do not force him to keep a HC. Its unfair to both parties. I dont believe the conspiracy that Idzik is trying to undermine Rex. Rex was the HC of a team that every "credible expert" thought would be the worst team in the league and for what its worth they may have been right based on the talent and in ways based on the relationship forced on Rex and agreed upon by Idzik. Rex finished the season in the middle of the pack and beat some teams that fielded better talent on Sunday. Rex Ryan is being put to the test, which I believe in the long run will benefit him as a coach in the NFL because he's learning how to develop young players as well as learning to out coach teams that field better talent. Im not of the mindset that Idzik dropped the ball during FA, I do feel that he's looking for dollar value players with upside. I also think that Idzik is looking at this "deep draft" as an opportunity to provide very good players for Rex at rookie prices, and if things dont work out then Idzik has these young players under rookie contracts while keeping cap room to provide FA players to his new coaching staff if that comes about. To conclude, if people want to see a bit more action from the Jets in FA then the HC needs not to be on a 1 year extension. You dont invest your cap into multi-year deals and guaranteed money on players for a coach on a 1 year extension. Thats like paying a female escort for services then trying to marry her. I think Idzik and Rex both have the best interest of the Jets in mind, but both are not committed to one another enough in order for their intent to come to fruition. Idzik is trying to redevelop the entire roster yet Ryan is on borrowed time. The one mistake here was not giving Rex a multiyear deal after the Dolphins game. They should have either given him a multi-year contract or let him walk. What do you guys think? I think Rex should have been canned WHATEVER the Jets record was. Iggy needs to have a guy as a HC that he is in line with philosophically and Rex Ryan IS NOT THAT GUY. Johnson is so in love with Rex that he should have made Iggy the cap guy and named Rex GM and HC. That way the HC and GM are on the same page. Then you would have seen the Jets NOT sign Decker, but we would have Talib, Revis, Verner, DR-C, and Davis signed to a crowded secondary while nothing would have been done for the offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexiRoll6 Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 You know this speculation existed about Mrs. Decker before the off-season even began, and now here we are. Decker makes his first and only trip to the Jets, where there's no QB? Doesn't even look around elsewhere? Seems suspicious at best. As for Rex vs. Idzik, there's no reason why Rex must be fired if he doesn't make the playoffs this year. That is part of the GM's calculation, sure, but he knows what team he's giving Rex this season and so does Woody. I don't think Idzik is secure enough in his GM job to purposefully sabotage Rex and thus irritate Mr. Johnson. For all we know, Idzik could have met with Rex and discussed this strategy with him in advance and made his task all about being competitive and developing the team next year as opposed to securing a playoff spot. In this way, he would be giving Rex a certain kind of expectation but that expectation just might not include playoffs. If the object of your team is NOT to make the playoffs then why play the games? I disagree with ANYONE who says the Jets building for the long term does NOT include making the playoffs. Now they may not (I certainly don't expect it) the way things are going but Iggy may pull a rabbit out of the hat yet and get both Vick and DeSean Jackson. That would upgrade the offense and allow the team to draft DB's galore in May. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoicsentry Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 If the object of your team is NOT to make the playoffs then why play the games? I disagree with ANYONE who says the Jets building for the long term does NOT include making the playoffs. Now they may not (I certainly don't expect it) the way things are going but Iggy may pull a rabbit out of the hat yet and get both Vick and DeSean Jackson. That would upgrade the offense and allow the team to draft DB's galore in May. You don't have to convince me that Idzik should have been more aggressive this offseason. You're preaching to the choir. I just don't think it's a fair expectation to demand that he make the playoffs with this roster. It's certainly possible for him to do so, but it's not exactly a fair fight until Idzik improves the roster more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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