The Jets REAL free agent haul thus far

[Jetsfan80]

Let's assume that all of the players I listed below were ALL on other rosters last season, how would you feel about free agency in that case? 

 

 

(NOTE:  I have bolded players that are either virtual locks or likely candidates to make 53-man roster.  Most of the players who signed "futures contracts" automatically received 3 year, $1.53M deals with no signing bonuses.)

 

 

Free Agent Gains

 

QB Matt Simms (signed to 1 year deal, $495,000)

WR Eric Decker (5 years, $36.26M, $15M guaranteed, ability to cut/trade in 2016)

WR David Nelson (1 year, $645K)

WR Mike Campbell (1 year, $495K)

TE Jeff Cumberland (3 years, $3.7M, $1M guaranteed)

TE Konrad Reuland (ERFA, contract unknown)

TE Colin Anderson (3 years, $1.53M)

C Jacolby Ashworth (3 years, $1.53M)

C Dalton Freeman (3 years, $1.53M)

RG Willie Colon (1 year, $2M)

OT Patrick Ford (3 years, $1.53M)

RT Breno Giacomini (4 years, up to $19.25M, up to $7M guaranteed, ability to cut/trade in 2016)

DT T.J. Barnes (3 years, $1.53M)

DL Leger Douzable (1 year, $1M, $250K guaranteed)

DL Tevita Fenau (3 years, $1.53M)

LB Tim Fugger (3 years, $1.53M)

OLB Calvin Pace (2 years, $5M)

CB Darrin Walls (2 years, $1.9M, $350K guaranteed)

CB Ras-I Dowling (2 years, $1.23M)

CB Ellis Lankster (2 years, $1.63M, $155K guaranteed)

CB Johnny Patrick (1 year, $700K, $55K guaranteed)

CB Lowell Rose (3 years, $1.53M)

CB Nick Taylor (2 years, $930K)

FS Brandon Hardin (1 year, $420K)

FS Rontez Miles (3 years, $1.53M)

K Nick Folk (4 years, $12M, $2.1M guaranteed)

 

 

Total cap number 2014 (for bolded players only):  $21.02M

 

 

Yeah, Idzik hasn't been active at all this offseason!  He ONLY signed 12 guys who will be impact players on the 2014 roster.  What a lousy GM.

 

Once again, Idzik is proving that the best way to improve your roster is by doing so internally, not depending on other teams' players.  Sign your own, draft your own, occasionally pick up a few UFA's from other teams if they fit your scheme, can help you long-term, and can be cut a couple years down the road if they don't work out.

[SouthernJet]

Let's assume that all of the players I listed below were ALL on other rosters last season, how would you feel about free agency in that case? 

 

 

(NOTE:  I have bolded players that are either virtual locks or likely candidates to make 53-man roster.  Most of the players who signed "futures contracts" automatically received 3 year, $1.53M deals with no signing bonuses.)

 

 

Free Agent Gains

 

QB Matt Simms (signed to 1 year deal, $495,000)

WR Eric Decker (5 years, $36.26M, $15M guaranteed, ability to cut/trade in 2016)

WR David Nelson (1 year, $645K)

WR Mike Campbell (1 year, $495K)

TE Jeff Cumberland (3 years, $3.7M, $1M guaranteed)

TE Konrad Reuland (ERFA, contract unknown)

TE Colin Anderson (3 years, $1.53M)

C Jacolby Ashworth (3 years, $1.53M)

C Dalton Freeman (3 years, $1.53M)

RG Willie Colon (1 year, $2M)

OT Patrick Ford (3 years, $1.53M)

RT Breno Giacomini (4 years, up to $19.25M, up to $7M guaranteed, ability to cut/trade in 2016)

DT T.J. Barnes (3 years, $1.53M)

DL Leger Douzable (1 year, $1M, $250K guaranteed)

DL Tevita Fenau (3 years, $1.53M)

LB Tim Fugger (3 years, $1.53M)

OLB Calvin Pace (2 years, $5M)

CB Darrin Walls (2 years, $1.9M, $350K guaranteed)

CB Ras-I Dowling (2 years, $1.23M)

CB Ellis Lankster (2 years, $1.63M, $155K guaranteed)

CB Johnny Patrick (1 year, $700K, $55K guaranteed)

CB Lowell Rose (3 years, $1.53M)

CB Nick Taylor (2 years, $930K)

FS Brandon Hardin (1 year, $420K)

FS Rontez Miles (3 years, $1.53M)

K Nick Folk (4 years, $12M, $2.1M guaranteed)

 

 

Total cap number 2014 (for bolded players only):  $21.02M

 

 

Yeah, Idzik hasn't been active at all this offseason!  He ONLY signed 12 guys who will be impact players on the 2014 roster.  What a lousy GM.

 

Once again, Idzik is proving that the best way to improve your roster is by doing so internally, not depending on other teams' players.  Sign your own, draft your own, occasionally pick up a few UFA's from other teams if they fit your scheme, can help you long-term, and can be cut a couple years down the road if they don't work out.

yup, sea model,, draft/trades using accumulated draft pick sand schieder then spent FA big$ on 'needs' in year 4 (2013) of his reign when Sea was SB ready. 

[stoicsentry]

Let's assume that all of the players I listed below were ALL on other rosters last season, how would you feel about free agency in that case? 

Yeah, Idzik hasn't been active at all this offseason!  He ONLY signed 12 guys who will be impact players on the 2014 roster.  What a lousy GM.

 

 

I would still feel disappointed. Do you look at all the bottom tier players that every team re-signs, or only the Jets ones? Because other teams are signing these kinds of special teams/backup players back to their rosters as well.

 

Matt Simms will be an "impact player" on the 2014 roster? The 3rd string QB is going to be an "impact player"? Douzable and Ras-I-Dowling are going to be "impact players"? David Nelson?

 

OK, tell me who a non-impact player is.

[slats]

Yeah, Idzik hasn't been active at all this offseason!  He ONLY signed 12 guys who will be impact players on the 2014 roster.  What a lousy GM.

  

Is it your contention now that guys like Matt Simms and Ras-I Dowling will be impact players for the Jets this year? o_0

yup, sea model,, draft/trades using accumulated draft pick sand schieder then spent FA big$ on 'needs' in year 4 (2013) of his reign when Sea was SB ready.

The more you repeat this, the more I'm reminded of when Mangini/Tannenbaum were going to be Belichick/Pioli south.

[Jetsfan80]

-1 stud (Decker)

-1 pro bowl-caliber kicker

- A # 2 TE with Julius Thomas-esque measurables and upside

- The starting right side of the line

- 2 corners with potential to start across from Milliner on the outside

- A dime corner

- A nice # 4 receiver

- A versatile D-lineman for the rotation

- A veteran OLB who still wins a lot of battles at the point of attack

- A # 3/4 QB with some upside

 

All at bargain prices.  Not bad.  And of those 12 players, I'd argue that half of them will still be helping this team in 2016.

[stoicsentry]

-1 stud (Decker)

-1 pro bowl-caliber kicker

- A # 2 TE with Julius Thomas-esque measurables and upside

- The starting right side of the line

- 2 corners with potential to start across from Milliner on the outside

- A dime corner

- A nice # 4 receiver

- A versatile D-lineman for the rotation

- A veteran OLB who still wins a lot of battles at the point of attack

- A # 3/4 QB with some upside

 

All at bargain prices.  Not bad.  And of those 12 players, I'd argue that half of them will still be helping this team in 2016.

 

I never thought that I would be saying this to someone else, but you have got to be the biggest, most flamboyant Jets homer ever.

[Jetsfan80]

 Is it your contention now that guys like Matt Simms and Ras-I Dowling will be impact players for the Jets this year? o_0

 

Simms perhaps not, though just 1 year ago folks around here were clamoring for him to START.  What changed?

 

But Dowling was a former 2nd round pick who simply hasn't been able to stay healthy.  We have no idea if he can play or not.  Making him a very low risk, high reward type signing.

[stoicsentry]

You're starting to remind me of a guy I know that's a Bills fan and every year he tells me this is the year that the Bills are going to finally break their playoff drought. Every year, he's wrong.

[Jetsfan80]

I never thought that I would be saying this to someone else, but you have got to be the biggest, most flamboyant Jets homer ever.

 

Where am I wrong there?

[Jetsfan80]

You're starting to remind me of a guy I know that's a Bills fan and every year he tells me this is the year that the Bills are going to finally break their playoff drought. Every year, he's wrong.

 

Except that the Jets have actually made the playoffs in this decade, and can very easily do so again. 

[slats]

Simms perhaps not, though just 1 year ago folks around here were clamoring for him to START.  What changed?

 

But Dowling was a former 2nd round pick who simply hasn't been able to stay healthy.  We have no idea if he can play or not.  Making him a very low risk, high reward type signing.

Simms perhaps not? Most of them perhaps not, unless you use the word "impact" differently than most English speakers. We can hope and dream that one of Dowling/Walls/Lankster will make an impact, but odds are that none of them do. If the Jets draft a QB anywhere, Simms will be lucky to make the roster. Colon and Giacomini are jags, one the Jets tried to upgrade from, the other a consolation prize after losing another, slightly better jag to the Raiders. A #4 WR will not make an impact in the Jets passing game, neither will a #2 TE.

So Decker, Douzable, Pace, and a kicker. I think I'm pushing it with Douzable. And the kicker. Probably Pace, too.

But carry on.

[Jetsfan80]

Simms perhaps not? Most of them perhaps not, unless you use the word "impact" differently than most English speakers. We can hope and dream that one of Dowling/Walls/Lankster will make an impact, but odds are that none of them do. If the Jets draft a QB anywhere, Simms will be lucky to make the roster. Colon and Giacomini are jags, one the Jets tried to upgrade from, the other a consolation prize after losing another, slightly better jag to the Raiders. A #4 WR will not make an impact in the Jets passing game, neither will a #2 TE.

So Decker, Douzable, Pace, and a kicker. I think I'm pushing it with Douzable. And the kicker. Probably Pace, too.

But carry on.

 

Colon was listed by every publication as a top 10 free agent guard before the offseason began (some even top 5), and Giacomini is an upgrade over Howard, for a lot less money, based on both PFF's and FO's advanced statistics.

 

I don't think that qualifies either as "JAGs". Who would you have preferred we sign at those 2 spots?

[slats]

Colon was listed by every publication as a top 10 free agent guard before the offseason began (some even top 5), and Giacomini is an upgrade over Howard, for a lot less money, based on both PFF's and FO's advanced statistics.

 

I don't think that qualifies either as "JAGs". Who would you have preferred we sign at those 2 spots?

Colon is an injury/penalty risk every time he steps on the field, Giacomini is a penalty risk. Both guys are average at best. I suspect you know this. Calling them impact players is ridiculous. If you can't make your point without hyperbole, it's probably not worth trying to make.

[T0mShane]

-1 stud (Decker)

-1 pro bowl-caliber kicker

- A # 2 TE with Julius Thomas-esque measurables and upside

- The starting right side of the line

- 2 corners with potential to start across from Milliner on the outside

- A dime corner

- A nice # 4 receiver

- A versatile D-lineman for the rotation

- A veteran OLB who still wins a lot of battles at the point of attack

- A # 3/4 QB with some upside

All at bargain prices. Not bad. And of those 12 players, I'd argue that half of them will still be helping this team in 2016.

Dude. Reaching.

[T0mShane]

yup, sea model,, draft/trades using accumulated draft pick sand schieder then spent FA big$ on 'needs' in year 4 (2013) of his reign when Sea was SB ready.

Let's be real, the Seattle "model" only worked because the lucked into Russell Wilson. If Idzik does one thing that Seattle did, it'll be throwing a lot of resources at the QB position. I think they sign Vick, then use one of their thirds on a QB that can challenge for the starting job immediately, and if Bortles or Bridgewater slides in Rd 1, they'll take one of them.

[JiFtheOracle]

-1 stud (Decker)

-1 pro bowl-caliber kicker

- A # 2 TE with Julius Thomas-esque measurables and upside

- The starting right side of the line

- 2 corners with potential to start across from Milliner on the outside

- A dime corner

- A nice # 4 receiver

- A versatile D-lineman for the rotation

- A veteran OLB who still wins a lot of battles at the point of attack

- A # 3/4 QB with some upside

 

All at bargain prices.  Not bad.  And of those 12 players, I'd argue that half of them will still be helping this team in 2016.

 

lmfao

[JiFtheOracle]

Let's be real, the Seattle "model" only worked because the lucked into Russell Wilson. If Idzik does one thing that Seattle did, it'll be throwing a lot of resources at the QB position. I think they sign Vick, then use one of their thirds on a QB that can challenge for the starting job immediately, and if Bortles or Bridgewater slides in Rd 1, they'll take one of them.

 

This.   Seattle never even reached .500 until they found Wilson. 

[slats]

Let's be real, the Seattle "model" only worked because the lucked into Russell Wilson. If Idzik does one thing that Seattle did, it'll be throwing a lot of resources at the QB position. I think they sign Vick, then use one of their thirds on a QB that can challenge for the starting job immediately, and if Bortles or Bridgewater slides in Rd 1, they'll take one of them.

Basically.

I wish they'd do something at QB that doesn't involve Vick. I'll be a little surprised if they take a QB before the fourth round (they only have one third), as it sounds like they're hoping Geno is their Wilson. That could easily be smoke, though.

[T0mShane]

Basically.

I wish they'd do something at QB that doesn't involve Vick. I'll be a little surprised if they take a QB before the fourth round (they only have one third), as it sounds like they're hoping Geno is their Wilson. That could easily be smoke, though.

I'm not liking the Vick thing, either. It only made sense if they went on a spending spree and loaded up for a two-year run. But, now that it appears Idzik is willing to go long-term, Vick just muddies the water.

[Pac]

I'm not liking the Vick thing, either. It only made sense if they went on a spending spree and loaded up for a two-year run. But, now that it appears Idzik is willing to go long-term, Vick just muddies the water.

 

How does getting the best FA QB left muddy waters?  Idzik just unceremoniously dumped Cro without batting an eye.  What makes you think he'll have any special allegiance to Vick?  Especially when it's pretty clear he'll be serving the backup/mentor role.

[Pac]

lmfao

 

80 lost his mind sometime around week 9 this past season.  I pay less attention to his football posts than I do his mafia posts.  So pretty much not at all.

[T0mShane]

How does getting the best FA QB left muddy waters? Idzik just unceremoniously dumped Cro without batting an eye. What makes you think he'll have any special allegiance to Vick? Especially when it's pretty clear he'll be serving the backup/mentor role.

Vick's presence is a PR nightmare, but it's also a mistake to give Rex that option if/when he decides he's done waiting around for Smith to develop (Week 3?)

[Mo Lew]

^{I want some of what Jetsfan 80 is smoking.....}

[Lizard King]

How does getting the best FA QB left muddy waters?  Idzik just unceremoniously dumped Cro without batting an eye.  What makes you think he'll have any special allegiance to Vick?  Especially when it's pretty clear he'll be serving the backup/mentor role.

Do you really want Mike Vick in Rex's ear for 17 + weeks telling him to pull Geno?

[Pac]

Vick's presence is a PR nightmare, but it's also a mistake to give Rex that option if/when he decides he's done waiting around for Smith to develop (Week 3?)

 

Rex isn't playing Vick unless Idzik signs off on it.

 

I'm not particularly worried about the PR nightmare.  People act as if this team has a sterling reputation or something.  They already laugh at the Jets..  a little more press won't matter.

 

Not to mention Idzik will address the signing and subsequent questions in spectacularly boring fashion which should immediately douse any flames Mehta is hoping to ignite.

[Pac]

Do you really want Mike Vick in Rex's ear for 17 + weeks telling him to pull Geno?

 

not sure if serious?

 

by all accounts Vick has been a model teammate the last few years. 

[19andOhWait]

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a disposition or tendency to look on the more favorable side of events or conditions and to expect the most favorable outcome.

2.

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3.

the belief that goodness pervades reality.

4.

the doctrine that the existing world is the best of all possible worlds.

[T0mShane]

Rex isn't playing Vick unless Idzik signs off on it.

Rex says he wants to play Vick. Idzik says no. Rex has Smith hand off 50 times. "Anonymous sources" say that Idzik is holding the team back. Success.

I'm not particularly worried about the PR nightmare.

Because you're Latino, obv.

People act as if this team has a sterling reputation or something. They already laugh at the Jets.. a little more press won't matter.

And Lindsay Lohan should do more coke.

Not to mention Idzik will address the signing and subsequent questions in spectacularly boring fashion which should immediately douse any flames Mehta is hoping to ignite.

Worked wonders so far.

[Jetsfan80]

Just trying to counter all the excessive negativity with some excessive homerism. Haters.

[CrazyCarl40]

Just trying to counter all the excessive negativity with some excessive homerism. Haters.

Couldn't be done unless you had an atom bomb of homerism.

[JiFtheOracle]

Just trying to counter all the excessive negativity with some excessive homerism. Haters.

 

Sure...like you're not dead serious.

 

GFY

[Jetsfan80]

Sure...like you're not dead serious.

GFY

Don't worry. If Vick is signed I won't be around for a long time. Still <3 you though.

[Larz]

the only good free agent signing is for a contract over $50 million

 

everybody knows this

[JiFtheOracle]

Don't worry. If Vick is signed I won't be around for a long time. Still <3 you though.

 

I already wanted Vick...now, I need him.

[Pac]

Rex says he wants to play Vick. Idzik says no. Rex has Smith hand off 50 times. "Anonymous sources" say that Idzik is holding the team back. Success.

Because you're Latino, obv.

And Lindsay Lohan should do more coke.

Worked wonders so far.

 

Have you taken your meds today?  Your ramblings are usually more refined.