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And you are 100% entitled to that opinion and should be allowed to do so without ridicule. However, by the same token, I think those who have different vantage points than yourself, should be allowed to actively root for their team, without having others cast moral aspersions upon them.  We watch one of the most brutal and savage sports on television, where grown men put their bodies on the line to physically abuse other men, for the sake of pure entertainment value. We observe these acts with our young children, parents and spouses. We constantly surround ourselves with violence strictly for recreation and enjoyment.  

 

I utilize football as a way to relax from my everyday life and if I'm capable of separating what these men do off-the-field, for what they do on it, I don't think I should have to be talked down to, criticized or have it questioned which way my moral compass points. 

 

I despise Vick as a person, the same way I do Sam Hurd for putting drugs in the hands of hundreds of adults and non-adults in the greater Chicago area. However, if the NFL deems him fit to return to playing, then I will root for my team the same way that I've done over the years, which I feel I should be able to do without being questioned.  The same way yourself, and the others should be allowed to not watch without criticism. 

 

Well said, and I agree completely.

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See you when Vick is gone. Signed a washed up scumbag, screw this team.   The New York Jets have signed Michael Vick. Don't let this happen quietly. Look your dog in the eyes tonight and imagine M

i'm not gonna abandon the jets because i love football and i cant root for a differetn team. i will, however, be rooting daily for a career ending injury to vick.

I'm openly rooting for him to have a career year and take the Jets to the Super Bowl.   To each his own, I guess.

Well said, and I agree completely.

 

Hey, at least in the season off you'll be more productive and won't have to deal with being pissed off every other Sunday. I'm always amazed at how much I get done during the bye weeks or the months following the Super Bowl. I always felt that being a sports fan makes you go grey, bald or take years off your life.

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And you are 100% entitled to that opinion and should be allowed to do so without ridicule.

That's bull. People who have a real problem with Vick should be ridiculed and put on blast. They should be made to justify their views as I chastise them and attempt to deconstruct what they're saying by asking them to compare Michael Vick to what I deem as similar things, even though they're not, and they should be labeled as overly sensitive ninny liberal nipplewads. Why? Because anyone who has a problem with my favorite football team on the internet should be treated that way. I simply can't handle the thought of someone else being upset over something that doesn't upset me, therefore I need to be a big man with a gun and make other people feel like sh*t. If I don't do this, I can't justify my own existence and get over my own insecurities. Kthx.

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That's bull. People who have a real problem with Vick should be ridiculed and put on blast. They should be made to justify their views as I chastise them and attempt to deconstruct what they're saying by asking them to compare Michael Vick to what I deem as similar things, even though they're not, and they should be labeled as overly sensitive ninny liberal nipplewads. Why? Because anyone who has a problem with my favorite football team on the internet should be treated that way. I simply can't handle the thought of someone else being upset over something that doesn't upset me, therefore I need to be a big man with a gun and make other people feel like sh*t. If I don't do this, I can't justify my own existence and get over my own insecurities. Kthx.

 

dude dogs arent people

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That's bull. People who have a real problem with Vick should be ridiculed and put on blast. They should be made to justify their views as I chastise them and attempt to deconstruct what they're saying by asking them to compare Michael Vick to what I deem as similar things, even though they're not, and they should be labeled as overly sensitive ninny liberal nipplewads. Why? Because anyone who has a problem with my favorite football team on the internet should be treated that way. I simply can't handle the thought of someone else being upset over something that doesn't upset me, therefore I need to be a big man with a gun and make other people feel like sh*t. If I don't do this, I can't justify my own existence and get over my own insecurities. Kthx.

 

Solid usage of nipplewads. What's interesting though, and not all that relevant to the topic at hand, is that I always viewed Liberals as more cat people than dog people. 

 

 

Joking aside, I guess when it comes down to it, I don't have an undying need to have people feel the same way about things as I do.  If people want to gp ahead and watch the Jets with Vick, awesome, if they boycott watching the Jets because he's now a member, good for them. Hell, if people want to burn or wear his jersey, it doesn't really effect me. I think so long as people aren't condemning or criticizing others for their choices, regardless of which they choose, it's fine. I just don't like anyone making moral judgement on people they don't know, based off of a decision to watch or not watch a sporting event.

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but you eat buffalo wings thats the same thing

 

Worse I'd say.  The American buffalo, or great American bison if you prefer, is a North American species of bison that once freely roamed the grasslands of North America in massive herds, but nearly became extinct due to a combination of commercial hunting and slaughter in the 20th century to fulfill a new food-craze sweeping the nation, known simply as "the buffalo wing." If it weren't for the recent introduction of bovine immunity crossed over from domestic cattle and the fine work of vegetarians everywhere, this majestic beauty would have been slaughtered at the very hands of the buffalo wing consumer. 

 

So in reality, one could argue that buffalo-wing eaters directly lead to the near extinction of one of our great species. I think there's a lesson here for all of us.

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That's bull. People who have a real problem with Vick should be ridiculed and put on blast. They should be made to justify their views as I chastise them and attempt to deconstruct what they're saying by asking them to compare Michael Vick to what I deem as similar things, even though they're not, and they should be labeled as overly sensitive ninny liberal nipplewads. Why? Because anyone who has a problem with my favorite football team on the internet should be treated that way. I simply can't handle the thought of someone else being upset over something that doesn't upset me, therefore I need to be a big man with a gun and make other people feel like sh*t. If I don't do this, I can't justify my own existence and get over my own insecurities. Kthx.

 

do you EAT meat!! WELL DOOO YOU?!?

 

//logic'd

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Lotta posters I've known for quite some time acting like pretty big douchebags the past 24 hours. I wish I could say that it's funny, but given the reasons, it's definitely not.

Not sure which side of the aisle you're on, but if I'm included on this list I will wear that badge with pride.

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You're not. Congrats!

Personally, I disagree with your take but I don't think anyone can say that you're wrong, a wack job, or ultra sensitive nut. If you felt thdifference? way about cats, I might think so, but not dogs.

Dogs hold a special place in our society and they are often humanized by even non dog owners.

We all have our own righteous ambiguities. For instance, fittingly, CTM brought up molestation in the other Vick thread as a moral equivalent. Ever seen Jeepers Creepers the horror flick? Well after I saw thst movie I learned that the director was a convicted child molester and registered sex offender in California. I vowed never to watch any of his other films and I haven't.

But I still would listen to Michael Jackson music even though I think its clear he did some terrible stuff. Is it because I liked Jackson's music before we learned the truth about him? If we were fans of Vick before would that make a difference?

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Personally, I disagree with your take but I don't think anyone can say that you're wrong, a wack job, or ultra sensitive nut. If you felt thdifference? way about cats, I might think so, but not dogs.

Dogs hold a special place in our society and they are often humanized by even non dog owners.

For me it has nothing to do with the type of animal. The man systematically tortured and maimed other living beings with his bare hands. Over and over and over and over. Not because he was mentally ill, not because of some cultural grey area, but for money, the absolute worst reason to engage in such behavior. He could have done the same to grasshoppers and I'd feel the exact same way. **** him.

We all have our own righteous ambiguities. For instance, fittingly, CTM brought up molestation in the other Vick thread as a moral equivalent. Ever seen Jeepers Creepers the horror flick? Well after I saw thst movie I learned that the director was a convicted child molester and registered sex offender in California. I vowed never to watch any of his other films and I haven't.

I vowed never to watch any of his other movies because that movie is 80 billion shades of horiawful.

But I still would listen to Michael Jackson music even though I think its clear he did some terrible stuff. Is it because I liked Jackson's music before we learned the truth about him? If we were fans of Vick before would that make a difference?

He wrote Thriller man. Thriller.

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We all have our own righteous ambiguities. For instance, fittingly, CTM brought up molestation in the other Vick thread as a moral equivalent. 

 

No, I did no such thing. Nothing is more sickening to me then child molestation. What Vick did is significantly less deplorable then what that scum at ND did, but just because Vick didn't top the charts doesn't mean he's worthy of forgiveness.

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For me it has nothing to do with the type of animal. The man systematically tortured and maimed other living beings with his bare hands. Over and over and over and over. Not because he was mentally ill, not because of some cultural grey area, but for money, the absolute worst reason to engage in such behavior. He could have done the same to grasshoppers and I'd feel the exact same way. **** him.

 

 Yeah, he was the Don King of dog fighting, but from a societal perspective I seriously doubt that if he was the Bob Arum of cock fighting that Vick would be the subject of such vitriol.

 

 

I vowed never to watch any of his other movies because that movie is 80 billion shades of horiawful.

 

This is true

 

He wrote Thriller man. Thriller.

That is a factor

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Yeah, he was the Don King of dog fighting, but from a societal perspective I seriously doubt that if he was the Bob Arum of cock fighting that Vick would be the subject of such vitriol.

Maybe. I can really only speak for myself. If you torture animals you're dead to me and I couldn't care less what happens to you.

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No, I did no such thing. Nothing is more sickening to me then child molestation. What Vick did is significantly less deplorable then what that scum at ND did, but just because Vick didn't top the charts doesn't mean he's worthy of forgiveness.

See thats the thing about forgiveness, it has less to do with what bad thing you did and more about your actions afterward. Granted some things are unforgiveable and i think thats what youre getting at with vick. For me its the big three that are completely unforgiveable: murder, rape, moleststion. Thg only way your write off a human life as unforgiveable is when that person has taken or destroyed another human life. Just my opinion.

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See thats the thing about forgiveness, it has less to do with what bad thing you did and more about your actions afterward. Granted some things are unforgiveable and i think thats what youre getting at with vick. For me its the big three that are completely unforgiveable: murder, rape, moleststion. Thg only way your write off a human life as unforgiveable is when that person has taken or destroyed another human life. Just my opinion.

Do you really think, if it had come down to it, Vick wouldn't have murdered someone? There's good reason why a good predictor of serial killers is if they tortured animals. Not having bare minimum respect for living things is a terrible thing to be from a moral or societal perspective.

You ought to revise your "Big 3" to a "Big 4", whether you care about animals or not.

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I'll watch b/c i watch football, but i won't put a dime into anything for this team.  And I'll root against them every single game.

Been a fan since 79 and sat through all the sh*tty coaches, draft picks, gm's, choke jobs, circuses....

 

 

This is my breaking point.  Hopefully vick takes a nice shot to the spleen and is laid out good.  Piece of sh*t.

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Goodell talked up Vick to Jets

By Bart Hubbuch

March 24, 2014 | 4:07am

 
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ORLANDO, Fla. — The Jets’ due diligence on Michael Vick — they even called NFL commissioner Roger Goodell for a reference — left them convinced Vick will be a positive influence both on Geno Smith and their locker room as a whole.

 

Owner Woody Johnson also said Sunday during the owners meetings that Vick wasn’t brought in just to be a mentor, setting the stage for the Jets’ third quarterback competition in as many years.

 

“We’re going to let it play out and see what happens,” Johnson said when asked if Smith were still the starter. “[Vick] has been with [current Jets offensive coordinator] Marty [Mornhinweg] before, so he knows a little bit about what we’re trying to accomplish. So it’s going to be interesting.”

 

Vick, 33, was signed to a one-year, $5 million deal on Friday at the same time the Jets showed fellow quarterback Mark Sanchez the door after four seasons.

 

Vick has struggled with injuries, lost his starting job with the Eagles to Nick Foles last season and hasn’t posted a quarterback rating better than 86.5 since 2010, but the Jets think he can revive his career with Gang Green.

 

Johnson also said the Jets — who were accused of coddling Sanchez — think the second-year Smith can use the motivation from veteran competition.

 

“We’re looking for the best player to help us compete with Geno, to develop Geno and improve the team,” Johnson said. “We picked a good player in Michael.”

 

“You always try to bring in a veteran [quarterback], particularly for a young guy. You want a veteran, a guy who’s been there. [Vick] has been around football a lot, so he can tell him a lot about what it’s like to play in the NFL. And I think that’s invaluable.”

 

Vick, of course, is also a controversial addition because of his conviction on dogfighting charges that caused him to spend nearly two years in federal prison.

 

Johnson said the Jets investigated Vick’s character thoroughly, to the point the owner spoke with Goodell — who helped guide Vick’s return to the league after his release from prison — and Eagles owner Jeffrey Lurie about the former NFL No. 1 overall pick.

 

Both men had nothing but good things to say about Vick, proclaiming him a changed man from his dogfighting days.

 

“I had a long conversation with commissioner Goodell about him, so I think he’ll be a real positive,” Johnson said. “We didn’t ask about Michael Vick in terms of his throwing motion. It was just in terms of a person.”

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Interesting that the very few posters we have had that will either be rooting against the Jets, or are done with the Jets, have been Jets fans for 800 years, but have not posted here until the the Vick rumors began

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I'll watch b/c i watch football, but i won't put a dime into anything for this team.  And I'll root against them every single game.

Been a fan since 79 and sat through all the sh*tty coaches, draft picks, gm's, choke jobs, circuses....

 

 

This is my breaking point.  Hopefully vick takes a nice shot to the spleen and is laid out good.  Piece of sh*t.

 

Please become a NASCAR fan.  We don't want you.  bye bye.

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Nah.  I root for the uniform, I don't have to root for a particular player.  Unless you count "rooting for a trip to the IR".

 

No one's forcing you to root for VIck. Rooting for injury is weird. 

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No one's forcing you to root for VIck. Rooting for injury is weird. 

 

Exactly, no one's forcing me to.  Which is why I'm not.  Pretty simple.

 

Yes, rooting for injury is weird.  But I'm not a perfect person.

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Exactly, no one's forcing me to.  Which is why I'm not.  Pretty simple.

 

Yes, rooting for injury is weird.  But I'm not a perfect person.

 

It's a lot easier in this world to be forgiving....just my .02 cents. 

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