Sperm Edwards Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 Man I can't wait to miss out on MJD because Idzik draws another "line in the sand"! He has gotten fat and slow. Period. I was stunned at how doughy he looked when i watched him last year. He's lost two steps, and is easily accounted for by defenses. There are UFA's with more promise than MJD. He's a dinosaur at his position and he hasn't taken care of himself like the Walter Paytons and Emmit Smiths or Curtis martins of the world did to prolong their careers. Forget the cost--he's not a great back anymore. And good backs can be had for league minimum. If the Jets don't sign MJD = Jets suck If the Jets do sign MJD = Jets suck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenseed4 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 Not saying you're wrong, but from this compilation I didn't see him get caught from behind unless he was slowed up by a defender first (or if he had to change directions to run laterally to avoid one first). It's subtle, and subjective. Specifically, the run around 1:20 he gets slowed down by the safety, but he also gets pursued by three defenders. Two of which look like they could have beat him in a foot race to the endzone, and a LB that likely could've stopped him as well. Two years ago, MJD takes that to the house. I still like what he would bring to the team in terms of a 1-2 punch with Ivory, and his being a receiving threat is how he could really resurrect his career here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoicsentry Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 If the Jets don't sign MJD = Jets suck If the Jets do sign MJD = Jets suck Idzik sucks either way Love my Jets though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenseed4 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 It boils down to this: MJD is an upgrade over Powell. He runs harder and faster; he's better up the middle, and can take it outside quicker. He is a plus pass-protector and doesn't tip off the defense as to whether it's a run/pass play. We could easily draft a prospect (or two, sh*t) but you never know how they'll fare against NFL level pass-rushers. That's a big concern if you have an injury prone QB and/or a second-year guy who holds the ball too long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenix_Jet Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 $3.5M per year gets 3.5 yards per attempt. I'm not good at math, someone help me out. It's part of the rebuild... Old washed up qb and old washed up running back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 It's part of the rebuild... Old washed up qb and old washed up running back. Can you save your outrage and disgust for when they actually do this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenix_Jet Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 But he does do a good show on fantasy football... So maybe he's worth it for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 Can you save your outrage and disgust for when they actually do this? Washed up LT was also a terrible move for us. We got rid of the great Thomas Jones, who moved on to KC so he could average 2.7 yards per carry less than his teammate on roughly the same # of carries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 Washed up LT was also a terrible move for us. We got rid of the great Thomas Jones, who moved on to KC so he could average 2.7 yards per carry less than his teammate on roughly the same # of carries. I ******* hate Thomas Jones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 I ******* hate Thomas Jones. You should challenge him to a fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 Not saying you're wrong, but from this compilation I didn't see him get caught from behind unless he was slowed up by a defender first (or if he had to change directions to run laterally to avoid one first). for a RB getting caught from behind means you just gained 20 Plus yards. I hope he joins us and gets caught from behind a whole lot. Why is it fans think everything in football is speed when its obviously NOT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 Idzik sucks either way Love my Jets though If the Jets get Drew and Desean and turn this offense into a dynamic one to go along with what will probably be a solid defense would Idzik still suck ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotcheryifyouCan Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 heres what it comes down to, would we be better off with ivory, mjd, and either goodson or powell (im assuming one would be cut if we get mjd), or better to go with ivory, powell, goodson, and draft a rb (shankey). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealG_Newt Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 MJD will go to Miami or Pittsburgh. I expect the loser of that battle will get Moreno. That leaves a very weak RB market. I like LeGarrette Blount if he can keep his attitude in check. But Idzik may draft an RB in the 3rd or 4th round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 MJD will go to Miami or Pittsburgh. I expect the loser of that battle will get Moreno. That leaves a very weak RB market. I like LeGarrette Blount if he can keep his attitude in check. But Idzik may draft an RB in the 3rd or 4th round. Id take Johnson,Moreno or Blount in that order any one improves the RB position here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenix_Jet Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 FYI... If you have a good o line, you can find rb's anywhere.... 6th round picks become stars w/ a good o line. No need to waste money on this old guy who's only getting fatter w/ low tread on his tires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsis Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 FYI... If you have a good o line, you can find rb's anywhere.... 6th round picks become stars w/ a good o line. No need to waste money on this old guy who's only getting fatter w/ low tread on his tires. I actually mostly agree with this sentiment. A good enough o-line will make average talents look great. Im not saying mjd is an outstanding talent but an outstanding talent with a good o-line can dominant time of possession and take over a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 I actually mostly agree with this sentiment. A good enough o-line will make average talents look great. Im not saying mjd is an outstanding talent but an outstanding talent with a good o-line can dominant time of possession and take over a game. So insert any RB with a good offensive line bottom line and decent goes to great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsis Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 So insert any RB with a good offensive line bottom line and decent goes to great. That's a bit of an over-generalization but yeah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirlancemehlot Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 I like Blount best. Minimal wear and tear, likes contact, with him and Ivory we could beat the sh*t out of defenses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 That's a bit of an over-generalization but yeah. what differentiates a great back from an ordinary back is vision. Finding the small hole and avoiding tackles . Not every back has that not by a long shot. Its the reason why Some backs run for 1800 + yards and others run for 1000 ... Put McCoy or Peterson on the Jets and you have a much different result than you had with Shonn Greene or Thomas Jones and while teams did not fear those two guys and were still able to shut down our crappy WR's with one of those elite type backs teams have no choice but to play you more straight up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsis Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 what differentiates a great back from an ordinary back is vision. Finding the small hole and avoiding tackles . Not every back has that not by a long shot. Its the reason why Some backs run for 1800 + yards and others run for 1000 ... Put McCoy or Peterson on the Jets and you have a much different result than you had with Shonn Greene or Thomas Jones and while teams did not fear those two guys and were still able to shut down our crappy WR's with one of those elite type backs teams have no choice but to play you more straight up. Agreed, Just look at Trent Richardson. That man has terrible ******* vision. No matter how good the holes are for INDY he runs into defenders. It's pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 Agreed, Just look at Trent Richardson. That man has terrible ******* vision. No matter how good the holes are for INDY he runs into defenders. It's pathetic. thats why just like everything else its so hard to judge college players. RB's usually run through gigantic holes, QB's usually play against totally outmatch opponents, and #WR's do the same. Richardson does have terrible vision he looks like a completely differt football player. The thing that gets me is teams still judge backs by speed and thats really not a good way to go about it. Arian Foster ran a slow 40 yet he makes people miss and he out runs players consistently. Teams need to judge football players not track atheletes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 thats why just like everything else its so hard to judge college players. RB's usually run through gigantic holes, QB's usually play against totally outmatch opponents, and #WR's do the same. Richardson does have terrible vision he looks like a completely differt football player. The thing that gets me is teams still judge backs by speed and thats really not a good way to go about it. Arian Foster ran a slow 40 yet he makes people miss and he out runs players consistently. Teams need to judge football players not track atheletes That's true, but for every Arian Foster, there's a Chris Johnson who wouldn't have been drafted in the first round if it wasn't for his blazing forty. Very rarely do teams use the combine as a sole measurement for their evaluation, but utilize it in addition to all the tape they've broken down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kleckineau Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 D Jax, Revis, MJD, DRC. Jets fans are like cats chasing a laser pointer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 for a RB getting caught from behind means you just gained 20 Plus yards. I hope he joins us and gets caught from behind a whole lot. Why is it fans think everything in football is speed when its obviously NOT. Yup. I saw him get tackled from behind, but he wasn't running at full speed when someone got close enough to him from behind. He's running left & right, or got slowed up by an earlier would-be tackler. He may be slower now than he was (and I'm sure he is), but that clip was not evidence of him running in the clear and getting chased down from behind. When Fred Jackson had that 60-yarder against us last season - the one where Richardson was celebrating because he thought Jackson was dropped back at the LOS - he ran in the clear for dozens of yards. Cromartie ran him down on what should have been an easy TD for Buffalo. THAT was an example of a RB getting caught from behind. MJD may have been caught in that same situation, but we didn't see any clip like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gun Of Bavaria Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 There's no way MJD is coming to the Jets.....you all realize that right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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