faba Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 It is hard for me to imagine he will get away with his moves from college days in the NFL where the guys are bigger and faster- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 Has there ever been a QB prospect who threw at his pro day sans helmet and pads and went on to have a successful NFL career? I know there must be a few, but I can't even think of one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 So does anyone know did any Jets representatives attend this today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 So does anyone know did any Jets representatives attend this today? Rex was there in a Tarkenton throwback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 He can play though... If you're a GM, you're betting your job on Manziel though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanInDenver Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 He looks perfect without offensive lineman in front of him. But once you put them there you kindda wonder how is able to see the field! Anyways as the draft approaches the entire state of Texas would want the Texans to draft him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 If you're a GM, you're betting your job on Manziel though? If I'm a GM with a deadline to win and no QB...why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 interesting article comparing Manziel and Willy http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10527486/broadway-joe-johnny-football-following-parallel-paths Joe Namath has heard the comparisons between himself and Johnny Manziel, perhaps the most controversial player in the upcoming NFL draft. Among the obvious things they share are hip nicknames, a lust for off-field fun and an iconic victory that catapulted their celebrity into the stratosphere. For Broadway Joe, of course, it was making good on his guarantee the Jets would beat Baltimore in Super Bowl III. For Johnny Football, it was the dramatic way he and Texas A&M beat defending national champ Alabama, Namath's alma mater, when Manziel was a redshirt freshman in 2012. No one saw that upset coming, either. Everything that has happened since for Manziel flows from that thunderclap moment. When Namath, who has been paying close attention, is asked what advice he'd give Manziel one bon vivant to another, he says, "I've not met Johnny. But if we're in the same neighborhood or proximity, I am going to make a point of getting in touch!" Could he imagine how a big night on the town in New York City might unfurl for him and Manziel? "Well, we'd probably have a good meal and talk a lot of football," Namath said with a laugh. "And the rest of it, I'm not sure. I don't think I could keep up with that young guy anymore. That cat would just be getting going. And I'd probably have to get back and go to sleep by 10." Namath, who started laughing raucously again, didn't specify whether he meant 10 p.m. or a.m. Namath laughs loud and often all the time, by the way. He still has a vibrant view of life and football and the characters who play it -- something that should've been clear to anyone who saw Namath walk out for the coin flip at Super Bowl XLVIII in New Jersey a few weeks back still rocking the sort of Super Fly fur parka he wore as a player in the '70s. (This coat had its own Twitter account, @joenamathscoat, which had nearly 1,000 followers by the game's third quarter.) He's 70 years old now, but still talks in punched-up syllables and exclamation points -- "Oh yeah! Ab-SO-LUTE-ly!" -- all the time. He still has that distinctive western Pennsylvania accent and rascal's laugh and glint in his eye. He still has that gift for parsing the details out of his stories so he leaves just enough to the imagination. Even now, decades since he threw his last pro pass, his celebrity remains so lodged in the imagination he recently signed a deal to endorse the Joe Namath Rapid Grill, "the official tailgating grill" of the Pro Football Hall of Fame. A more authentic endorsement was never struck. He also keeps his NFL knowledge current by appearing as a regular guest during the season on ESPN 98.7 FM in New York. And his straight-shooting takes on the league -- and especially the Jets -- often make news. So if there are any punches to be pulled about Manziel, Namath is not your man. But he is qualified to speak about the A&M quarterback because, in a lot of ways, Namath already traveled the path that seems to lie ahead of Manziel, starting with being the No. 1 pick in the draft for a lousy team. The expectations for instant success. The hope that his gunslinger's charisma can lift the team beyond its limitations. Fears that injury, as in Namath's case, will cut short a career before Manziel can wring all of the magic out of his 5-foot-11¾, 207-pound frame. [+] Enlarge Joe Amon/The Denver Post/Getty ImagesJoe Namath has not lost his flair for the dramatic as his appearance at the Super Bowl in a fur coat (and his championship ring) showed. "Yes, his size makes it more difficult," said Namath, who was 6-2. "But have you seen that cat run?" Manziel's outsized personality is the other thing that shadows him. NFL teams still aren't sure if he's the second coming of scrambler extraordinaire Fran Tarkenton -- or a buyer-beware tease like Ryan Leaf, a draft bust whose incorrigible personal demons nullified whatever physical gifts he had. But when Namath looks at Manziel, he independently echoes much of what master NFL talent evaluator Bill Polian said this week. Namath sees Manziel as a kid whose sophomoric fun has too much overshadowed what else he is. Namely? A quarterback teammates and coaches respect and respond to, a playmaker who has the off-the-charts competitiveness and self-belief to keep bringing his team roaring back, back, back, back like he did in that Alabama win. Or in A&M's bowl victory over Duke this season. Polian, who became acquainted with Manziel firsthand when his son worked as an A&M assistant coach, actually called Manziel a "gym rat" the other day and lauded his professionalism when it comes to studying the playbook and the game. If that's true, Namath says, than the doubts about whether Manziel can be a pocket passer could evaporate, too. "Can he be a pocket passer? I know he can!" Namath boomed. "Pocket passers, of course, develop if they've got the men-TAL-i-ty. One of the important things about being a pocket passer is how you analyze the defense, how your mind is working, how you're anticipating things and reading defenses and knowing mentally where your receivers are and how they may adjust. So, the mind plays a major role for any quarterback." Namath thinks the more valid concern is Manziel's average height. "It's a fact that the taller you are, the better vision you have downfield, and even the taller guys occasionally have to look through the cracks, in between players," Namath said. "So a lot of people would say, 'Well, if the linemen and linebackers get their hands up, they can bat the ball down.' And that's true. That could be a problem. "But man, they've been bigger than him in college, too. And he's done just beautifully, hasn't he? He's exciting. He's electric. And I think he's going to be a major star." Manziel's stats in two college seasons are unimpeachable, all right. But there is still the sense that Manziel won't be able to restrain himself off the field. Or that he truly is the entitled, "arrogant little p---k" that he was accused of being this week on CBS Sports radio by Barry Switzer (of all people, the man who once ran a so-called bandit program at Oklahoma that produced three national titles but also a certain Mohawk-wearing loudmouth named Brian Bosworth). Manziel comes from a privileged background. Already, he counts celebrities such as Drake and LeBron James as friends. Photos of Manziel living it up in Vegas as an undergrad or clenching a fat, lit sparkler between his teeth went viral. Alarms were set off by an ESPN the Magazine storyin which his parents feared his drinking could send his game off the rails after he won the Heisman Trophy. Last summer, the NCAA also scrutinized whether he did paid autograph sessions but ultimately suspended him for only one-half of one game. But whereas Manziel has spent a lot of time and effort the past year (and especially at the scouting combine last week) trying to re-cast his image to NFL teams as a man who brings on-field intangibles but has put his youthful off-field indiscretions behind him, Namath says he didn't encounter any attempts to stifle his personality when he graduated to pro football. "Quite the contrary!" Namath said with a laugh. "But mine was a unique situation," Namath explained, "because it [the American Football League] was a young league, and one of our owners, you may recall, believed in the star system because he had come from Music Corporation of America, and stars and entertainment and all that. He was the president of the Jets, one of the five owners that bought the Titans, a guy named David A. 'Sonny' Werblin. And he knew that stars sold tickets. It was he who took me around under his wing, he and Mrs. Werblin. And I loved the both of them. "So you see, it was he that introduced me to New York! He told me this is the greatest city in the world with the greatest people in the world, and he wanted me to get out there and get to know it! And -- ha ha ha -- I appreciated his guidance. I still do to this day. He was right! I don't know that Mr. Werblin ever gave me any bad advice." But before that, Namath, unlike Manziel, did not come from a life of privilege. He was one of four sons born to a Hungarian steel mill worker in Beaver Falls, Pa., and he says his zest for going toward excitement -- the creation moment when he, like Manziel, became aware his athletic ability was going to unlock an existence for him that was different and more exciting than the life he knew -- was first whetted his junior year of college. Namath says Alabama was about to play Oklahoma in the Orange Bowl on New Year's Day, and Bear Bryant gave the team a four-day holiday break that Namath used to travel home for Christmas. "I'll never forget it because my three brothers drove me up to the Pittsburgh Airport and it was snowing snowflakes the size of silver dollars, man," Namath said, laughing. "Then I got on that plane and it landed in Miami and that door opened and I started to come out on the top of the steps and I stopped! I just STOPPED! I stopped and just looked around, you know, because it was WARM! And there were green trees -- palm trees! And red flowers, you know? In January! "I had discovered the tropics." And a lot more pleasures since. Namath allows that Manziel has made mistakes. But he quickly adds if he were to give any pointers to Johnny Football about how to navigate athletic stardom, especially in today's social media-saturated world, it would be to mimic a more modern-day New York hero, Derek Jeter. The Yankees' 39-year-old shortstop has somehow managed to discreetly juggle his playboy off-field life with a wholesome image as a gentleman and a winner. Even more than Michael Jordan before him, Jeter is an absolute virtuoso at saying a lot and being seen out on the town while revealing nothing. "Johnny is a young guy, you see, and yes, he's had a difficult time early on," Namath said. "But experience is a great teacher." When asked how he would've fared in this era of cell phone cameras and Twitter, Namath says, "I think you learn where you can best maneuver for the kind of social liberties or privacy that you'd like. And I would have learned. But first, you know -- heh heh heh -- I think I would've stumbled around --" Pause. "-- and gotten in a lot of trouble." Namath is laughing again and now you can't help it -- soon you are, too. So, if he had to sum up what Broadway Joe can teach Johnny Football? "Let the man be himself!" Namath roared. "If I were one of these owners or coaches looking at this cat, you know what I'd say? Don't change a thing!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 when asked why he was wearing pads by Gil Brandt of NFL.com, Manziel had the perfect answer. "Isn't the game played with them on?" Manziel said. He put the helmet and pads on to avoid looking like an 8th grader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 He put the helmet and pads on to avoid looking like an 8th grader. He looks like a Manning brother that Archie threw out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 If I'm a GM with a deadline to win and no QB...why not? Because the bust factor is monolithic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 Anyone who reads that entire article can get f'ed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 Because the bust factor is monolithic? I disagree with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 He put the helmet and pads on to avoid looking like an 8th grader. Lmfao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 He put the helmet and pads on to avoid looking like an 8th grader. tough but fair. It should be noted the QB who won the SB this year was tiny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonehands Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 From Twitter: Greg Gabriel @greggabe 41m Analysts are talking Manzi's arm vs Bortles. My take.. Manziel's is good. Bortles is average Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 tough but fair. It should be noted the QB who won the SB this year was tiny. He was also a third rounder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonehands Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 I am impressed with Manziel's arm strength versus what I saw at times in games, but that footwork in the GIF that Bitonti posted leaves a lot to be desired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 He was also a third rounder. that should have gone much much higher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 Is Russell Wilson Russell Wilson because he puts in work and doesn't act like a rock star or is he just that good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 I disagree with that. I think it'd be easier to explain to your owner how you missed with Bortles than it'll be to explain how you missed with Manziel. Forgetting the size limitations and his game, is Manziel going to be that FILO guy? Or is he going to be leaving practice at the buzzer so he can go pound supermodels? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 when asked why he was wearing pads by Gil Brandt of NFL.com, Manziel had the perfect answer. "Isn't the game played with them on?" Manziel said. It's also typically played against opposing defenses, but sure, the pads is the important part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 #FILOguy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaborJet Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 Yeah, he'll be a Jet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 I think it'd be easier to explain to your owner how you missed with Bortles than it'll be to explain how you missed with Manziel. Forgetting the size limitations and his game, is Manziel going to be that FILO guy? Or is he going to be leaving practice at the buzzer so he can go pound supermodels? Finding out if he can compete off the field as well as he does on it is the million dollar question. The talent, although unorthodox, is there IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 And Bortles is a backup IMO... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 Finding out if he can compete off the field as well as he does on it is the million dollar question. The talent, although unorthodox, is there IMO. I guess. I'd just hate to be the GM that gambles on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rillo Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 Can't see this guy being good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 what's not to like? btw the pro day in helmet and pads was a baller move here's a gif of him hitting Evans super deep I really do not see how anyone can say he does not have a strong enough arm- I have questions about him but not that He has a below average NFL arm and will struggle making those intermediate to deep throws in a messy pocket. This is the prime example of his deep throws: scrambling and having to drive his entire body to make that throw. He can still make a lot of them, but you're not going to see these throws when he's stuck in a collapsing pocket and not allowed to step forward or scramble out of it. Take away his personality, his name etc. and you're left with a sub-six foot, 200 pound QB with a below average NFL arm and decent athleticism. I think he could make it, if he's allowed to sit for a few years like Romo, but any team drafting him in the first is just asking for a mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 Manziel does not have a weak arm. That's false. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 So does anyone know did any Jets representatives attend this today? FYI 2014-03-27 16:14:36 UTC Jets GM John Idzik attending Johnny Manziel pro day. Also catching a look at WR Mike Evans. #nyj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 I guess. I'd just hate to be the GM that gambles on him. The QB's suck in this draft. The unknown with Manziel is intriguing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 Go back if you can and watch some of the throws Manziel was making at Alabama two years ago. He was driving the ball outside of the numbers to the white receiver who had to retire because of concusiions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 Manziel does not have a weak arm. That's false. He has a below average NFL arm, that's not false. It is an NFL arm, but it's average at best. Watch him just plant and throw without being able to scramble and drive his body into it, it's not a positive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanInDenver Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 FYI 2014-03-27 16:14:36 UTC Jets GM John Idzik attending Johnny Manziel pro day. Also catching a look at WR Mike Evans. #nyj I wonder if the real reason for attending the pro day is Mike Evans ? I wont be surprised if at this point the JETS have an objective of acquiring a game changing playmaker in the receiving corps one way of the other, either via trade or draft. They seemed to have offered(rumors) a 4th and a 5th round pick for DeSean but that did not please the Eagles. I wonder if someone like Mike Evans is available say at the 12th or 13th position in the draft the JETS trade up and use up a couple picks they have. If they are not successful i wont be surprised if they trade a 3rd for DeSean Jackson. Not saying that would be the right thing to do. But it could be a result of Woody's pressure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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