HessStation Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 It's a short deal. I made the argument first on yearly average salary. You guys didn't accept that. We looked at average guaranteed per year. Not what you guys were hoping to see either. Now we are back at some sort of average yearly value discussion. It does not matter. It's a short deal. Few if any escalators. Probably not much guaranteed on year two. It come back to what is a guy with his talent supposed to make yearly on a short deal. Therefore I would venture to strongly guess the comparable yearly salaries were the leading guide. In short, you put together a failed argument to prove paying Chris Johnson $4-5M this year is a bad idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizard King Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 If u say it really slow w hand gestures maybe he'll get it. Take one of the swords and commit hari Kari. I can't watch you do this to yourself any longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizard King Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 In short, you put together a failed argument to prove paying Chris Johnson $4-5M this year is a bad idea. No idiot. I said $4 it's fair. You said just pay him 5. I explained to you many different ways why that's not right and how it would be setting the wrong precedent as a front office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 Take one of the swords and commit hari Kari. I can't watch you do this to yourself any longer. And you still haven't considered signing bonus and front loaded contracts. You first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 No idiot. I said $4 it's fair. You said just pay him 5. I explained to you many different ways why that's not right and how it would be setting the wrong precedent as a front office. LOL at your $1M line in the sand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizard King Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 LOL at your $1M line in the sand. Don't lol so quickly. It looks like LAD saw that he signed 4.25. Stick to mafia! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 Don't lol so quickly. It looks like LAD saw that he signed 4.25. Stick to mafia! Yeah 4-5M sounds great. Like I said. You were the one that gave me a garbage list of players making under $4M in 2014 as some kind of sign he was being over paid. The only two players that looked like possible better options were Spiller, still on a rookie contract and Charles...which I debunked. So, I win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 Don't lol so quickly. It looks like LAD saw that he signed 4.25. Stick to mafia! More salt to your wound? Frank Gore signed a 3 for 20M in 2011 with ANNUAL cap hits from 6-7M. Average Salary 6.4M...at basically the same age at CJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 Frank Gore 2014 Salary at 30 years old 2014: 3,300,000 base 3,150,000 misc 6,450,000 cap hit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizard King Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 Yeah 4-5M sounds great. Like I said. You were the one that gave me a garbage list of players making under $4M in 2014 as some kind of sign he was being over paid. So, I win. Ehhhh, wrong: how do I eat crow? All is said was quiviling over $1M was a joke when u have 23M to spend. Whether it's 2 for 7.6 or 10 who cares. You said pay the man that extra million a year. Yeah, so, that difference apparently matters to all parties involved. Sounds like CJ wasn't worth that extra million to the NY Jets. Sounds like it anyways. What do I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizard King Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 Frank Gore 2014 Salary at 30 years old 2014: 3,300,000 base 3,150,000 misc 6,450,000 cap hit Oh God. I won't even begin to get into the difference with you between a three year deal and a two year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 Ehhhh, wrong: You said pay the man that extra million a year. Yeah, so, that difference apparently matters to all parties involved. Sounds like CJ wasn't worth that extra million to the NY Jets. Sounds like it anyways. What do I know. You're clearly a man who's lost an argument and grasping at straws. I'm sensitive to that. I don't need an apology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 Oh God. I won't even begin to get into the difference with you between a three year deal and a two year. You wouldn't know how because you don't even know what your arguing about anymore. You've changed the context multiple times already. Here, grab my hand. It's not worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizard King Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 You're clearly a man who's lost an argument and grasping at straws. I'm sensitive to that. I don't need an apology. I'll let you out of this gracefully Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAD_Brooklyn Posted April 16, 2014 Author Share Posted April 16, 2014 Take a peek at what you'll get for under $4 million and come back to me. http://www.spotrac.com/rankings/nfl/running-back/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 Profootballtalk reports Chris Johnson's two-year contract with the Jets has a base value of $8 million. Another $1 million is available through incentives. It falls right in line with what we would have expected. The top of the 2014 market before Johnson signed was Donald Brown's $3.5 million annually from the Chargers. Johnson was by far the best back to hit free agency this offseason, and he gets $4 million per year. This is by no means a sign Johnson will carry the load for the Jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 I'll let you out of this gracefully Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 Whats the point then? You want an argument I will give you one you seem like a fair weather fan who would have something to bitch about even if the Jets won the Super Bowl. I'm not complaining about the signing either. We're miles apart on level of comprehension, so I won't even begin. Once in a while, I'll just mock you for being a reactionary lady-boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 Who are the best guards in the draft and how do we get them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 I won't even begin to get into the difference with you between a three year deal and a two year. I know this one... A year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizard King Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 I know this one... A year? Proud of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 Who are the best guards in the draft and how do we get themzach Martin at 18 and I find slats wherever he is to see his face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 zach Martin at 18 and I find slats wherever he is to see his face. I'm kind of into going oline rd 1. Lewans a dream but hell..we can deeam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizard King Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 Hahahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAD_Brooklyn Posted April 16, 2014 Author Share Posted April 16, 2014 Who are the best guards in the draft and how do we get them Last year I scream for us to draft Warford in the second but we opt to go with Geno. He ended up going to the Lions in the 3rd round, which was a few spots ahead of us and we had to settle for the next best thing in Winter in a pick I just hates. Although he went in the 3rd and happens to play guard, he was a top 10 rookie throughout the year. This year Gabe Jackson is similar to Warford. Yankey, Richardson and Thomas (ACL) are the others behind Xavier Su'a-Filo in the G rankings. Can't go wrong with Yankey or Jackson although I prefer the latter. Unless we can grab a OLB or TE prospect with it in the second, I would have no problem picking up Jackson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAD_Brooklyn Posted April 16, 2014 Author Share Posted April 16, 2014 The Jets landed running back Chris Johnson on Wednesday, ending a brief free agent stint that didn’t feature overwhelming interest around the league in Johnson’s services. Johnson spoke to Jim Wyatt of the Tennessean after signing his contract and he had some of those teams on his mind when discussing his plans for the upcoming season. Johnson said he’s going to draw motivation from those who think he doesn’t have the same spark he had when he was running for more than 2,000 yards for the Titans. “I have a fresh start. Now I am going to go out there with a chip on my shoulder,” Johnson said. “I know a lot of people are doubting me. I want to prove everybody wrong who has doubts in me. I am very excited about [joining the Jets]. It’s a team on the rise and I want to make them better. … I still have it.” Johnson joins Chris Ivory, Bilal Powell and Mike Goodson in the Jets backfield at the moment, although there’s a good chance they’ll part ways with Goodson now that Johnson is in the fold. How things will shake out in terms of playing time remains to be seen, but he new Jet said he’s already spoken to offensive coordinator Marty Mornhinweg about the different ways he’ll be used in 2014. “I think I’m going to fit in pretty well,” Johnson said, via the team’s website. “Just talking to him and to Rex, who’s a guy that likes to run the ball, I think I’m going to fit in very well. We talked about all those things, catching out of the backfield, getting the ball to me in space.” Johnson had 42 catches last season, one fewer than Jets team leader Jeremy Kerley, and his four receiving touchdowns were as many as Jets leader Jeff Cumberland, which underscores the need for more offensive talent on the roster. The Jets have added that in Johnson and wide receiver Eric Decker. With more likely to come in the draft, the Jets will look a lot different offensively than they did last season and that’s a step in the right direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 Rich Cimini @RichCimini Chris Johnson tells @jwyattsports: "I have a fresh start. Now I am going to go out there with a chip on my shoulder." #nyj 32m Beat Writer / Columnist Rich Cimini @RichCimini More Chris Johnson: "I know a lot of people are doubting me. I want to prove everybody wrong who has doubts in me." (via @jwyattsports). 31m Beat Writer / Columnist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 We still have cap space to bring back Santonio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYJetsVets91 Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 If he can hit 1k again that's all I'm asking for... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 Kimberley A. Martin @KMart_LI RT @ESPNStatsInfo: % of Chris Johnson runs going for 20+ yards 2009 6% 2010 4% 2011 4% 2012 3% 2013 2% 2m Beat Writer / Columnist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 We still have cap space to bring back Santonio. Think your kidding, but Man I have a bad feeling this might be a post draft addition. Maybe early summer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 Think your kidding, but Man I have a bad feeling this might be a post draft addition. Maybe early summer He's a former captain you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAD_Brooklyn Posted April 16, 2014 Author Share Posted April 16, 2014 walterfootball.com/freeagents2014recap.php Jets sign RB Chris Johnson (2 years, $8 million): D Grade I hope Rex Ryan enjoyed his time coaching the Jets because his fate has been sealed. He will be fired at the end of this season in the wake of the Chris Johnson signing. On the bright side, the Jets are likely to have a top-two selection next spring, as seen here in my 2015 NFL Mock Draft. This is a terrible signing on so many levels. First of all, Johnson is not a good player. He frequently dances around behind the line of scrimmage and has too many negative runs. He doesn't have his elite speed anymore - he turns 29 in September - so there is no more upside with all of his downside. Johnson is also terrible on third downs because he's atrocious in pass protection. Second, Johnson is an awful person to have in the locker room because he throws his teammates and coaching staff under the bus whenever he struggles. Instead of taking the blame himselves (Emmitt Mock is coming soon!) - most of which he deserves - he spreads it around, creating a horrible vibe. Third, Johnson, like the quarterback the Jets just signed, is a coach killer. Not only is he bad to have around teammates, as mentioned, but he happens to be an extremely overrated commodity. He's still a big name, so the media will hype up the Jets entering this season. Offseason hype plus regular-season disappointment is a recipe for coaches being fired, so Ryan will be the latest victim of CJ2YPC and the new quarterback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizard King Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 Think your kidding, but Man I have a bad feeling this might be a post draft addition. Maybe early summer Please no. It's been such a nice off season so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 walterfootball.com/freeagents2014recap.php Jets sign RB Chris Johnson (2 years, $8 million): D Grade I hope Rex Ryan enjoyed his time coaching the Jets because his fate has been sealed. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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