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Brian Bassett, TheJetsBlog.com

A few weeks ago we were asked where the depth of the 2014 NFL Draft class aligns with the Jets needs. Our intent was to write a two-part article. The first would address the generalizations learned from a survey of the depth of the upcoming 2014 NFL Draft class, while the second took a more practical player-level approach. The more we wrote, the more we realized this was going to turn into a series.

Since we’ve already surveyed the depth of this draft, it’s time to talk about the talent that’s contained in this class. Read yesterday’s article on cornerbacks here. Next up? Edge setters and edge rushers.

DEFENSIVE END / OUTSIDE LINEBACKER

Bassett’s Baseless Projection: One pick used before the end of the sixth round. Expected special teams and backup work in 2014.

Three Names of Note: Jeremiah Attaochu (6’3″ 253 lbs, Georgia Tech), Adrian Hubbard (6’6″ 257 lbs, Alabama), Michael Sam (6’2″ 261 lbs Missouri)

Analysis: In the last five years, during the lead up to the NFL Draft, experts love linking Rex Ryan to some of the top pass-rushing linebackers. Having coached in Baltimore in the halcyon days of Terrell Suggs and Adalius Thomas it is understandable. But year after year, Rex has never required the team to draft a pure outside linebacker – in any round since Vernon Gholston was taken before Rex Ryan even arrived back in 2008. An argument can be made that Quinton Coples can fill the role, but so far he’s best served with his hand in the dirt. Calvin Pace’s continued presence this year only underscores the point. Ryan and his GMs have been happy to bring Calvin Pace back year after year to set the edge and stuff the run and provide upside to the pass rush when the play allows. If you don’t understand the unheralded importance of Calvin Pace, read this.

With Wilkerson, Coples, Richardson and Harrison in place up front, the Jets don’t need a top talent on the outside to make this defense work. They don’t need a linebacker who can drop in coverage, sack the passer set the edge and stuff the run. The need someone who can maybe do two and half of those things. Last year Calvin Pace racked up 10 sacks for the first time in his career, largely because of him getting more opportunity to rush the quarterback due to the injury to Antwan Barnes and thanks to the double teams his defensive linemen faced. With 12 draft picks, there’s no better year to use a middle to late round pick on a player whom the Jets might be able to groom for a season or two to eventually take over Calvin Pace’s important role as the strong side (SAM) linebacker. The player need be willing to get dirty, not always seek out the glory stats of sacks, tackles for loss or even tackles. But what the edge-setter does is crucial to allowing a player like David Harris a clean (and likely almost certain) shot at the ballcarrier. It is Pace’s job to set the edge by overpowering a blocking tight ends or linemen to effectively wall off the running back from bouncing the play outside, and redirecting the play back inside to the reading linebacker for a clean tackle.

Name Dropping: While names like Anthony Barr, Khalil Mack and Jadaveon Clowney dominate the headlines, it is the players later on that might provide the perfect complement for what the Jets need on defense. While we’re sure the Jets would be happy to find a ready-made starter for the 2014 season to take over Calvin Pace’s role without skipping a beat, the likelihood of that is very low. So considering that, look for the Jets to get serious about players between the fourth and sixth rounds where the Jets could find a diamond in the rough that will pair with their existing front seven. Should the Jets go after a Day Two prospect, it might mean that Calvin Pace’s future is more clouded than we originally thought.

On the earlier side, Jeremiah Attaochu (projected 2nd or third round) has the long arms and range to make plays all over the field. He’s quick off the snap and has showed improvement in the last few years at holding his assignments against the run. While Attaochu might yet be a little impatient, he’s getting better as a edge-setter and run stopper. Will Clarke (3rd round) has shown some promise as both a pass rusher and run-stuffer during his time at West Virginia. While he might never be a top pass rusher, he’s demonstrated strong anchoring skills to lock out blockers.

Adrian Hubbard (4th round) played at Alabama and is a jack of all trades. He has demonstrated good ability in tackling the ball carrier, dropping into coverage and in getting around the edge in pass situations. That said, he might be untested in doing the dirty work that a player like Pace does. Stanford’s Josh Mauro (4th round) might be limited athletically but will hustle and has the grit along with quickness to to set the edge with long arms.

Michael Sam (5th – 6th round) has been a big storyline this offseason, but regardless could be a good fit for the Jets. Jets DL Sheldon Richardson has voiced his support of Sam and having played together at Mizzou knows how fierce a competitor Sam is. Sam has been knocked for his speed and his lack of ability to drop into coverage, but coverage is an overrated trait from outside linebackers in the Rex Ryan scheme. Sam might not be an edge setter for the Jets but his speed could allow him to be a perfect situational rusher. Sam could be a nice value pick late in the draft where the Jets have a handful of fifth and sixth rounders.

Later down, look for the Jets to take a flier on a player like Devon Kennard or Tyler Starr (both 5th – 6th rounders)

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What does the 2014 NFL Draft positional depth means for the Jets?

March 28th, 2014 10:29 am

Brian Bassett, TheJetsBlog.com

A few weeks ago, on one of the Spreecasts that Corey and I did due to the craziness at SNY around Mets spring training, a listener/commenter asked me where the sweet spots are at any position in the 2014 NFL Draft.  It was a great question.  While I had a sense about the answers, I unfortunately didn’t have any real evidence.  But I loved the idea as a post and have been thinking about it for weeks now.  

 

It has taken me time to tinker, research and display the information I came up with, but we think you will like the results.  Be sure to add your thoughts in the comments.

The Process:  After a lot of noodling, I thought one of the quickest ways to shortcut the process would be to hijack someone else’s deep research on the 2014 NFL Draft. I love CBS Sports top 1000 prospect list and use it all the time, so I took the their prospect rankings as a starting point.  I then made sure that each ranking corresponded to the correct round’s total draft picks while taking into account the news about compensatory picks.  After, I did some pivot table magic (sorting and cross-tabulation) to come up with how many players at a given position project to be drafted in any given round.  For example, want to know how many offensive tackles project to be taken in the second round?  Just look at the table below.

Here are the results with a color coded “heat map” to demonstrate where there are higher/lower frequencies of players in a given round.  After the jump are some of my general conclusions and how it might pertain to the Jets on May 8-10.

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Need Supply — The best teams try not to draft for need, but ignoring need is dangerous as well.  For example the Jets need a second starting wide receiver and Rex Ryan, Marty Mornhinweg, John Idzik and Terry Bradway have shown a pattern of attending the Pro Days of likely receivers drafted before the third round.  In no particular order, the Jets have needs at the following positions: CB, DE/OLB, FS, OT, RB, TE, WR.  If you start weighting where the need is based on filling out their 2014 roster, I’d place Rounds 1-3 emphasis on WR, TE, FS and CB.  I’d place Rounds 3-5 emphasis on DE/OLB, OT and RB.  That seems to match the Jets needs as they head into the draft season very well.

Just Round the Corner – A lot of hue and cry went up about the Jets letting Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie (after Vontae Davis, after Alterraun Verner, after Darrelle Revis, etc.) slip through their fingers.  I was among the inconsolable at the time, but just look at the table above!!!  Only WR rivals the number of corners projecting to be drafted.  Even when you add together all offensive linemen likely to be drafted together does it barely surpass (five starting OL spots compared to two CB on an NFL roster) … that should be an indication of just how strong the draft is at corner.  At the end of the fourth round, 20/33 cornerbacks project to be drafted.  For the Jets, while drafting a first round talent like Darqueze Dennard would be a slick addition, the Jets have five six draft picks before the end of the fourth round, where the class is at its absolute deepest.  The Jets could draft a system corner with some of the traits they are looking for before the end of the fourth round whom they could groom into a larger role in time.  The Seahawks have done well  in drafting deep at cornerback … can the Jets demonstrate an ability to find corner talent that projects well for them?  It might be the most economical investment of resources and yield the greatest long-term gain and pairing for Dee Milliner.

Address the Outside, Episode VI – It never fails that every year since Rex Ryan came to New York that he is widely expected to have his team draft an outside linebacker in the first round to boost his external pass rush.  Since then, Ryan has been happy to bring Calvin Pace back year after year to set the edge, stuff the run while using situational players to rush the passer.  Ryan would rather place an emphasis on cornerbacks and defensive linemen for his system due to the abundance of the spread formation in the NFL, where non-coverage linebackers consistently feel the squeeze.  With the Sons of Anarchy in place, I think the Jets can get away with a later round player to groom as an eventual replacement to Calvin Pace’s role while injecting some youth into the situational pass rush until such a time.

Stone Free – There’s not a lot of talented free safeties in this year’s draft class and the Jets prospects of drafting a coverage safety seems a hit or miss proposition.  If the stars align, they might draft a safety, but due to the overall lack of talent at the spot don’t expect the Jets to reach for a player either.  That doesn’t seem to be John Idzik’s way.  If they do draft such a player?  It would most likely come in the first or fourth rounds.

Receiver rich — One of the big talking points of this draft over the last few months is how deeply talented the receiver position is.  Looking at the data this way shows just how deep the class in fact is.  There haven’t been six WRs drafted in the first round since 2009, but beyond just the first round look at how consistently high the frequency of receivers stays compared to other positions throughout the draft.  The Jets could feasibly find a starter through the draft’s first three rounds easily and then even pick up some more later as special teamers or project players thanks to this year’s glut of 102 underclassmen who declared for the draft.

Deep in the Backfield — From what we hear, the Jets are intently looking to upgrade their running back position this offseason.  The Jets haven’t placed high emphasis on the position via free agency.  Idzik and the Jets were curious, but seem to be letting MJD find another team.  Their hesitance to sign MJD to $3 million per year is understandable; running back has become one of the most disposable positions in the last ten years.  Between Chris Ivory and Bilal Powell neither are playmaking threats via the pass, and so the Jets are intently looking for a player who can come in on third down in the model of Gio Bernard was with the Bengals in 2013.  To justify gameday activation, we expect the Jets would want that player to have value as a returner too.  This draft has plenty of talent between the second and fifth rounds and so the Jets don’t need to rush to find their man.

In the second part of this study, we’ll take all this and apply it to specific players.  Add your thoughts in the comments!

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2014 Draft Depth: Where could the Jets draft a cornerback?

April 2nd, 2014 12:58 pm

NCAA Football: Senior Bowl

Brian Bassett, TheJetsBlog.com

A few weeks ago we were asked where the depth of the 2014 NFL Draft class aligns with the Jets needs. Our intent was to write a two-part article. The first would address the generalizations learned from a survey of the depth of the upcoming 2014 NFL Draft class, while the second took a more practical player-level approach. The more we wrote, the more we realized this was going to turn into a series.

Since we’ve already surveyed the depth of this draft, it’s time to talk about the talent that’s contained in this class. First up? Cornerback.

CORNERBACK

Bassett’s Baseless Projection: One pick before fifth round, who then is starting before the end of the 2014 season.

Three Names of Note: Stanley Jean-Baptiste (6’3′ 218 lbs, Nebraska), Keith McGill (6’3″ 11lbs, Utah), Bashaud Breeland (5’11″ 197 lbs, Clemson)

Analysis: Drafting Dee Milliner with his first pick of the 2013 NFL Draft proved straight away that John Idzik is not just copying John Schneider’s blueprint for success. While Schneider did draft safety Earl Thomas (along with Russell Okung) in the first round of Schneider’s 2010 (first) draft, all of Seattle’s cornerbacks have come in the fourth round or later. With names like Richard Sherman, Jeremy Lane and Tharold Simpson, it’s hard to argue with Seattle’s results; there’s value in drafting system cornerbacks deeper in the Draft. The quality prospects in the second, third and fourth rounds is impressive. The corners might need some molding before becoming an every down player, but by drafting in that window, the Jets have the chance to “sustainably succeed” by controlling the salary of yet another starting quality cornerback for years to come. Like the Seahawks, the Jets have a turbocharged defensive line and have already used two first round picks on corners in the last five years; putting a premium on the NFL’s top corner prospects might be on the wane for the Jets.

After losing Darrelle Revis and Antonio Cromartie in back-t0-back seasons, no one will say the Jets secondary is Mr. Right. Even so, their group currently constitutes more than enough of the qualities to be Mr. Right-Nows to make it work in the short-term paired with the strength of their defensive line. The Jets still don’t have a proper second cornerback on their depth chart and with six draft picks prior to the end of the fourth round, the Jets picks match up nicely with the sweet spot at cornerback in the coming the NFL Draft.

Name Dropping: The Jets could easily add an elite cornerback at the top of the draft like Justin Gilbert or Darqueze Dennard. While Gilbert has more athletic upside, both project well at the next level as longtime starting players on the outside with the fluidity and physicality required. Dennard and Gilbert could be gone by the time the Jets pick at 18, but drafting either would be an easy boost to a defense in which adding a solid second starter at corner would tie up all the loose ends. If those players are still on the board when the Jets pick comes, it might be hard to turn either down but the Jets have pressing needs on offense.

Pierre Desir (projected 2-3 round) might be one of the most intriguing prospects of this second tier. He played at Lindenwood and will need time to adjust to the NFL, but is the most athletic, physical and of course raw player in the group. He might need the most time to adjust and transition and come with the most risk, but upside. Stanley Jean-Baptiste (3rd round) is loaded with physical talent and can play both press-man and off-man coverage equally well, but would need to be a more physical cornerback to play for the Jets. Similarly, Keith McGill (3rd round) has all the fluidity and can play in press coverage but needs to play with a little less hesitance. Having close ties to Clemson football through his son Seth, we expect that Rex Ryan will lobby on Day Two for Clemson’s Bashaud Breeland. Breeland had a bad pro day due to an issue with his shoes, but is an athletic, fluid, and aggressive cover corner with range and the willingness to play the run. While Breeland could benefit from an NFL strength program and some technique refinement, he might be a nice fit for the Jets in either the second or third round.

The trio of Florida defensive backs is interesting. Marcus Roberson is the best of the group (2nd round) with the fluidity, patience, recovery speed and physical aggression. Roberson looks the part of the prototypical rangy, athletic NFL cornerback. Still, Roberson’s technique needs refining; he can get grabby in coverage and tends to be more hesitant against the run. Louchiez Purifoy (3rd round) is something of a jack-of-all-trades master-of-none. While he has athleticism and has worked on offfense, defense and special teams, his projection to the NFL is something of a mystery. Jaylen Watkins (4th round) is moving quickly up draft boards, but likely as a projected switch to safety. Similarly to Watkins, Virginia Tech’s Antone Exum (4th round) might be asked to transition to safety in the NFL.

As a last ditch effort at upgrading their secondary, the Jets might draft Deion Belue from Alabama early on Day Three. While Belue might lack prototypical size, he comes out of an excellent program (see Dee Milliner, et al) and has the aggression needed to play at the next level … it’s just that his upside is substantially less then the previously mentioned players.

Be sure to add your thoughts about the depth of the cornerback position in the comments!

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I thought the off season was over ?

We pretty much have settled for a C- in FA... so now I set my sights on the Draft, and hope beyond hope, that the kick in the "horse" teeth Mr. Idzik took has focused him, and his talent evaluators, on the up coming draft ( I think that was a run-on sentence)

 

Any way.... I forget the past and look to the future.

 

PS. Hope we pass on CJ1,000

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that will save the jets...no sh*t...bitches....!
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Hubbard in the mid rounds would be nice. I like his upside, the frame is ideal, and hes played alot of LBer. Excellent prospect for Ryan, think he could thrive here even more so than most. Reminds me of Karlos Dansby a little.

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Obviously, Nolan Nawrocki thinks this kid is cocky for no apparent reason, lol.

Perfect size for an OLB in Rex's system... hopefully, he can be coached up into a T. Suggs type player.

Would be great if Calvin could take a kid like this and show him how to be a Pro.

I would love this pick in Rd. 4

 

6'6"Height
34 1/2"Arm Length
257LBS.Weight
9 1/4"Hands
4.69/40yd


Overview

2013: Played in all 13 games and made 12 starts. 2012: Played in all 14 games and made 13 starts. 2011: Played in nine games as a reserve. 2010: Redshirted. High school: Was an Under Armour All-American in Georgia.

Analysis

Strengths
Exceptional length and overall size for a rush linebacker. Good hand strength to leverage the edge. Flashes pass-rush ability -- nice bend and balance. Flattens down the line and is athletic enough to string out plays to the sideline. Is strong enough to set the edge, shed and defend the run. Good take-on strength and anchor -- benchpresses tight ends. Nimble-footed enough to carry tight ends down the field (see LSU). Already graduated.

 

Weaknesses
Lacks elite edge speed, burst and explosion. Does not make plays and too often disappears for stretches. Instincts are still developing -- can be lured by play-action and misdirection. Average career sack production (10 sacks). Has a quirky personality, inflated opinion of his ability and carries a sense of entitlement that could be difficult to manage and require a patient positional coach.
Bottom Line
A long-bodied, athletic rush linebacker with the base strength desired in a 4-3 left defensive end, Hubbard's greatest physical trait is his core functional strength and ability to leverage the edge and defend the run. Is still developing as a pass rusher and offers the scheme versatility and upside to interest any defense. Has starter traits, but has yet to reach the impact level he thinks he makes. Has upside if the light bulb comes on.

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Marcus Smith and Jeremiah Attouchu. I'd draft either one, preferably both.

I'd also add Trent Murphy, DE/OLB, Stanford

Height: 6-5. Weight: 250.

40 Time: 4.86.

Projected Round (2014): 2-3.

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Obviously, Nolan Nawrocki thinks this kid is cocky for no apparent reason, lol.

Perfect size for an OLB in Rex's system... hopefully, he can be coached up into a T. Suggs type player.

Would be great if Calvin could take a kid like this and show him how to be a Pro.

I would love this pick in Rd. 4

6'6"Height

34 1/2"Arm Length

257LBS.Weight

9 1/4"Hands

4.69/40yd

Overview

2013: Played in all 13 games and made 12 starts. 2012: Played in all 14 games and made 13 starts. 2011: Played in nine games as a reserve. 2010: Redshirted. High school: Was an Under Armour All-American in Georgia.

Analysis

Strengths

Exceptional length and overall size for a rush linebacker. Good hand strength to leverage the edge. Flashes pass-rush ability -- nice bend and balance. Flattens down the line and is athletic enough to string out plays to the sideline. Is strong enough to set the edge, shed and defend the run. Good take-on strength and anchor -- benchpresses tight ends. Nimble-footed enough to carry tight ends down the field (see LSU). Already graduated.

Weaknesses

Lacks elite edge speed, burst and explosion. Does not make plays and too often disappears for stretches. Instincts are still developing -- can be lured by play-action and misdirection. Average career sack production (10 sacks). Has a quirky personality, inflated opinion of his ability and carries a sense of entitlement that could be difficult to manage and require a patient positional coach.

Bottom Line

A long-bodied, athletic rush linebacker with the base strength desired in a 4-3 left defensive end, Hubbard's greatest physical trait is his core functional strength and ability to leverage the edge and defend the run. Is still developing as a pass rusher and offers the scheme versatility and upside to interest any defense. Has starter traits, but has yet to reach the impact level he thinks he makes. Has upside if the light bulb comes on.

Booz...theres no name on this.

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Booz...theres no name on this.

Sorry!

Adrian Hubbard OLB Alabama.

His size is very intriguing. Needs a guy Like Rex to make him into a star.

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Sorry!

Adrian Hubbard OLB Alabama.

His size is very intriguing. Needs a guy Like Rex to make him into a star.

No prob, thanks for the post.

Granted he can cut that "disappears for stretches" s#it out.

We've had those guys for years.

Have you read/seen anything good regarding Shembo from ND?...He looked ok the couple times Ive seen him...pretty comparable to Hubbard.

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No prob, thanks for the post.

Granted he can cut that "disappears for stretches" s#it out.

We've had those guys for years.

Have you read/seen anything good regarding Shembo from ND?...He looked ok the couple times Ive seen him...pretty comparable to Hubbard.

Agreed. I'm a huge ND fan and have been surprised how little Shembo is discussed as a quality Day 2/3 pick. High motor and character. If he ran in the 4.6's I think he'd be discussed more. A little short at 6'1" but that could be a reason he falls to us in the 4th if Hubbard is gone

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james gayle from VA Tech kid is fast of the edge and strong,i like him with our last 4th ran the the 4o in 4.70

Prototypical size for an OLB in Rex's system. Needs to set the edge better. That's 1st priority in a Rex system.

James Gayle DE Virginia Tech

6'4"Height

32 3/8"Arm Length

259LBS.Weight

9 5/8"Hands

Overview

2013: Third-team All-ACC pick . Started all 13 games. 2012: Second-team All-ACC selection. Played in all 13 games with 11 starts. 2011: Second-team All-ACC selection. Started all 13 games he played in. 2010: Played in all 14 games and made two starts. 2009: Redshirted.

Analysis

Strengths

Excellent height-weight-speed ratio. Looks the part and has weight-room strength. Explosive athlete with rare leaping ability for his size. Good balance and edge burst and enough flexibility to turn the corner. Dogged in pursuit and ranges all over the field to make tackles. Fllattens and crashes down the line. Strong wrap tackler. Durable three-year starter. Has NFL bloodlines (uncle, Shaun, was a Pro Bowl safety for the Bears).

Weaknesses

Average eyes and instincts. Questionable football intelligence. Short on bulk and anchor strength to play with his hand in the dirt -- soft edge setter. Not equipped to shadow in man coverage and is unnatural playing in reverse. Limited scheme versatility. Could require short leash and extra reps.

Bottom Line

Explosive, high-motor see-and-go reactor whose calling card is his ability to pressure the edge. Does not play to his weight-room numbers against the run and lacks desirable length and smarts, projecting as a situational 3-4 rush linebacker.

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Prototypical size for an OLB in Rex's system. Needs to set the edge better. That's 1st priority in a Rex system.

James Gayle DE Virginia Tech

6'4"Height

32 3/8"Arm Length

259LBS.Weight

9 5/8"Hands

Overview

2013: Third-team All-ACC pick . Started all 13 games. 2012: Second-team All-ACC selection. Played in all 13 games with 11 starts. 2011: Second-team All-ACC selection. Started all 13 games he played in. 2010: Played in all 14 games and made two starts. 2009: Redshirted.

Analysis

Strengths

Excellent height-weight-speed ratio. Looks the part and has weight-room strength. Explosive athlete with rare leaping ability for his size. Good balance and edge burst and enough flexibility to turn the corner. Dogged in pursuit and ranges all over the field to make tackles. Fllattens and crashes down the line. Strong wrap tackler. Durable three-year starter. Has NFL bloodlines (uncle, Shaun, was a Pro Bowl safety for the Bears).

Weaknesses

Average eyes and instincts. Questionable football intelligence. Short on bulk and anchor strength to play with his hand in the dirt -- soft edge setter. Not equipped to shadow in man coverage and is unnatural playing in reverse. Limited scheme versatility. Could require short leash and extra reps.

Bottom Line

Explosive, high-motor see-and-go reactor whose calling card is his ability to pressure the edge. Does not play to his weight-room numbers against the run and lacks desirable length and smarts, projecting as a situational 3-4 rush linebacker.

good work bud, but do you think that under rexs system he will learn and grow into a better plkayer?
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good work bud, but do you think that under rexs system he will learn and grow into a better plkayer

 

 

Most Defensive players improve if they buy into Rex's system. Turning into a Suggs has a lot to do with work ethic, smarts and a sheer will to win.

These are the things that separate the few from the many. All these day 2/3 players are within a physical whisker of each other talent wise. It's those intangibles that separate the JAG's from the very good players.. 

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Most Defensive players improve if they buy into Rex's system. Turning into a Suggs has a lot to do with work ethic, smarts and a sheer will to win.

These are the things that separate the few from the many. All these day 2/3 players are within a physical whisker of each other talent wise. It's those intangibles that separate the JAG's from the very good players..

well said
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Trent Murphy from Standford is a stud. Probably not the combine warrior that's intriguing to most scouts but as far as doing it all he looks like the sure thing as he can drop back and rush off the edge. Also as someone brought up that other prospect from Georgia Tech but he's no longer getting evaluated as a second round pick but more as a late 1st.

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Trent Murphy from Standford is a stud. Probably not the combine warrior that's intriguing to most scouts but as far as doing it all he looks like the sure thing as he can drop back and rush off the edge. Also as someone brought up that other prospect from Georgia Tech but he's no longer getting evaluated as a second round pick but more as a late 1st.

Agree on both statements. Attachou (GT) could sneak into bottom 1st/early 2nd.

Murphy is stout at the point of attack, can set the edge and could be perfect for Rex's system

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james gayle from VA Tech kid is fast of the edge and strong,i like him with our last 4th ran the the 4o in 4.70

Seen him first hand down here in UMiami...had a sack but was pretty quiet the rest of the game. Doesnt do anything exceptionally well...his best game was against ECU where he had 2 sacks.

Id be a little more likely to dislike the pick as a 5th.

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Agree on both statements. Attachou (GT) could sneak into bottom 1st/early 2nd.

Murphy is stout at the point of attack, can set the edge and could be perfect for Rex's system

I really like Attachou...I think the kid is the truth.

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I'd also add Trent Murphy, DE/OLB, Stanford

Height: 6-5. Weight: 250.

40 Time: 4.86.

Projected Round (2014): 2-3.

 

Not as a pass rusher. I wouldnt add him to that mix. He doesnt have explosion off the line and when I watched his tape he always seem like he's one of the slower guys on the field. He rarely shows any pass rushing moves to get to the QB and he's too often defeated by his blocker which forces him to change from rushing to backing off to play coverage. He does this because he simply couldnt beat his man to the QB. 

 

Check out his game against Oregon. Im not seeing anything that I feel would add to the pass rush for the Jets. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjMD4sp7fi0#t=250

 

This is another game against Washington. Check this vid out but particularly the 3:06 mark. Watch how he is stopped at the point of contact and look how terrible his footwork is. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ox_dOyeoLA#t=187

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Not as a pass rusher. I wouldnt add him to that mix. He doesnt have explosion off the line and when I watched his tape he always seem like he's one of the slower guys on the field. He rarely shows any pass rushing moves to get to the QB and he's too often defeated by his blocker which forces him to change from rushing to backing off to play coverage. He does this because he simply couldnt beat his man to the QB. 

 

Check out his game against Oregon. Im not seeing anything that I feel would add to the pass rush for the Jets. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjMD4sp7fi0#t=250

 

This is another game against Washington. Check this vid out but particularly the 3:06 mark. Watch how he is stopped at the point of contact and look how terrible his footwork is. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ox_dOyeoLA#t=187

 

 

agree he looks slow and not into it.  Gayle doesnt play to his clocked speed and looks weak and all the others seem too small for Rex system

 

I like Marcus Smith, Trevor Reilly, or Kareem Martin.  

 

 

I really like Chris Borland but he would be more of a luxury pick ILB - he is a little slow but he got the moves and the heart

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agree he looks slow and not into it.  Gayle doesnt play to his clocked speed and looks weak and all the others seem too small for Rex system

 

I like Marcus Smith, Trevor Reilly, or Kareem Martin.  

 

 

I really like Chris Borland but he would be more of a luxury pick ILB - he is a little slow but he got the moves and the heart

I love Chris Borland. He's like salt, very irritating to the offense. His alleged "small size" means nothing, the kid knows the game of football and he can tackle his behind off. If we found a way to get him with one of our three 4th rounders that would be beast mode. I doubt it though. Give him a year under David Harris and let Harris walk at the end of the year in order to pick up some comp picks! Borland is also a very good blitzer up the middle as well. 

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Seen him first hand down here in UMiami...had a sack but was pretty quiet the rest of the game. Doesnt do anything exceptionally well...his best game was against ECU where he had 2 sacks.

Id be a little more likely to dislike the pick as a 5th.

this guy fights double teams in just about every down i think he wont get out the 4th he is a project. in 2 or 3 years he will be a stater, depht
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My favorite non-first round 34 OLB/DE...

 

Chris Smith, Arkansas 6'1 265, 4.71 forty, 28 reps, 37" vertical, 121" broad, 4.46 20YS 

22 sacks 30.5 TFL in the SEC in 3 years including 8.5 sacks as a Sr. and 9.5 as a Jr. 

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....for those who don't know of him, imo, think Larmarr Woodley. 

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http://thejetsblog.com/nyjets/2014-draft-depth-where-could-the-jets-draft-a-edge-rusher/#more-84013

Brian Bassett, TheJetsBlog.com

 

Stanford’s Josh Mauro (4th round) might be limited athletically but will hustle and has the grit along with quickness to to set the edge with long arms.

 

 

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Gee. I'm surprised he looked like this. 

 

I like Clarke, but he is too inconsistent to pick early. 

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