John Idzik’s Plan For The Jets

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New York Jets general manager John Idzik has been criticized for his laid back approach. In this short video, Courtney Aurillo discusses Idzik’s master plan for the Jets which involves looking for value in free agency and building through the draft.

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[Larz]

plan ?  you mean the one where has to give kerley 50 million next year because he was so stupid this year ?

 

plan

 

LOL

[T0mShane]

She's like the Rosetta Stone.

[GKnight83]

_{Since when is Decker a #1?  I mean usually X receivers are 1s, not Z receivers.}

[stoicsentry]

Patience, future, trust him, he knows all, he's perfect in every way just trust me, blablabla... it's the same lecture every time: believe without evidence.

[Jetknowledge]

He traded a 4th round pick on our starting running back, he drafted 7 players 1 was a droy 3 have bright futures and 5 started.

All that in his 1st draft, he haven't given out any outrageous contracts.

No losing season so far.

Decker can play the receiver position exceptionally, he doesn't need a title to contribute. Just accurate passes.

Mos fans of teams, even awful teams head into the next season with hope & faith. I see majority of jetnation doubting what little we have......

[Jetknowledge]

_{Since when is Decker a #1? I mean usually X receivers are 1s, not Z receivers.}

You do know a x plays the outside, and a z plays the slot rite?

A Z receiver will be lined up off the line of scrimmage. Due to his speed, the Z receiver will get to catch a large number of passes. Secondly, the Z receiver's position on the right side of the quarterback means that a right-handed quarterback will pass to him instead of across his body to another receiver. During a running play, the Z receiver will have the responsibility of blocking defenders. A Z receiver can be placed in the position between the split end and the left tackle, at which time he will be referred to as a "slot back". Even though the Z receiver is referred to as a "slot back" in this position, the Z receiver still has the exact same responsibility.

[Jetknowledge]

Patience, future, trust him, he knows all, he's perfect in every way just trust me, blablabla... it's the same lecture every time: believe without evidence.

If you actually watch the team you'll know there's tons of evidence.

[Jetknowledge]

plan ? you mean the one where has to give kerley 50 million next year because he was so stupid this year ?

plan

LOL

He wont, i honestly believe if we find a good draft prospect he'll let Kerley walk. And i like Kerley.

But hes short and not amazingly fast. And idzik likes speed &/or size

[GKnight83]

You do know a x plays the outside, and a z plays the slot rite?

A Z receiver will be lined up off the line of scrimmage. Due to his speed, the Z receiver will get to catch a large number of passes. Secondly, the Z receiver's position on the right side of the quarterback means that a right-handed quarterback will pass to him instead of across his body to another receiver. During a running play, the Z receiver will have the responsibility of blocking defenders. A Z receiver can be placed in the position between the split end and the left tackle, at which time he will be referred to as a "slot back". Even though the Z receiver is referred to as a "slot back" in this position, the Z receiver still has the exact same responsibility.

 

Yes, I know where X and Z receivers play.  Slot receivers are not #1's.  Just because they catch a lot of balls does not make them #1's.  That is why they make $6MM a year and not $10MM.  The X is considered the #1 because they stretch the field and demand double coverage.  They are the game changers.  The X is going to get the initial read at the line of scrimmage and if he is getting single coverage the QB will alter the route tree and blocking accordingly. The X is the receiver the Jets have been missing and the pundits are projecting the Jets will draft at 18.

 

Furthermore, the Z does not have to be the slot receiver either.  In a 3 receiver set, the Z is the #2 (Decker) with the Y or a RB being replaced for a slot (Kerley). 

[SouthernJet]

You do know a x plays the outside, and a z plays the slot rite?

A Z receiver will be lined up off the line of scrimmage. Due to his speed, the Z receiver will get to catch a large number of passes. Secondly, the Z receiver's position on the right side of the quarterback means that a right-handed quarterback will pass to him instead of across his body to another receiver. During a running play, the Z receiver will have the responsibility of blocking defenders. A Z receiver can be placed in the position between the split end and the left tackle, at which time he will be referred to as a "slot back". Even though the Z receiver is referred to as a "slot back" in this position, the Z receiver still has the exact same responsibility.

But in NFL/College playbooks, the slot is known as the 'Y' receiver (some just call slot still)

 

Types[edit]

While the general fan base and most commentators use the generic term wide receiver for all such players, specific names exist for most receiver positions:

• Split end (X or SE): A receiver on the line of scrimmage, necessary to meet the rule requiring seven such players at snap. Where applicable, this receiver is on the opposite side of the tight end. The split end is farthest from center on his side of the field.^[5]
• Flanker (Z or FL or 6 back): A receiver lining up behind the line of scrimmage. Frequently the team's featured receiver, the flanker uses the initial buffer between himself and a defender to avoid jamming, legal contact within five yards of the line of scrimmage. The flanker is generally on the same side of the formation as a tight end. As with the split end, this receiver is the farthest player from the center on his side of the field. The flanker is probably lined up just like a split end except that he is just behind the line of scrimmage, being in the backfield and not on the line.^[6]
• Slot receiver (Y or SL): A less-formal name given to receivers in addition to split ends and flankers (for example, tight-ends who line up wide). These receivers line up between the split end/flanker and the linemen. If aligned with a flanker, the slot receiver is usually on the line of scrimmage, and if with a split end, off the line of scrimmage. As with the flanker position, a featured receiver often takes a slot position with a split end to avoid jamming.^[6]
• Slot back: A receiver lining up in the offensive back field. Canadian and arena football allow them to take a running start at the line. They are usually larger players as they need to make catches over the middle. In American football slot backs are typically used in flexbone or other triple option offenses while Canadian football uses them in almost all formations.

[#27TheDominator]

I still say flanker. 

[Il Mostro]

I still say flanker. 

 

 

Flanker and split end are good enough for me, too.

[Il Mostro]

She's like the Rosetta Stone.

 

 

The words "empty vessel" immediately came to mind after watching this.

[dbatesman]

1. Let Rex down

2. ???

3. Profit

[Jetknowledge]

Yes, I know where X and Z receivers play. Slot receivers are not #1's. Just because they catch a lot of balls does not make them #1's. That is why they make $6MM a year and not $10MM. The X is considered the #1 because they stretch the field and demand double coverage. They are the game changers. The X is going to get the initial read at the line of scrimmage and if he is getting single coverage the QB will alter the route tree and blocking accordingly. The X is the receiver the Jets have been missing and the pundits are projecting the Jets will draft at 18.

Furthermore, the Z does not have to be the slot receiver either. In a 3 receiver set, the Z is the #2 (Decker) with the Y or a RB being replaced for a slot (Kerley).

Decker has the exact skill set to line up at wide receiver on any side of the field.

The title number 1 is b.s

Truth be told you need at least 2 productive receivers.

If you dont think he's good enough then thats your opinion but he can catch, beat press, & run the whole route tree. What side he lines up on doesn't matter.

[pedro55]

If you actually watch the team you'll know there's tons of evidence.

 

 You mean the same team who was blown out in 6 of 8 losses?   

 

 The evidence so far is he knows how to cut cap space,   and he drafted defensive players last year that Rex always seems to draft anyway,  so nobody knows if the guy knows how to build a winning team.   

 

 So far the evidence says it's the same Jets.  They draft defensive players well, but the offense sucks.  Lets hope this year is different.    That's the evidence so far.     And lets be real about Ivory.  The guy is a backup running back who ran for 800 yards and did nothing in the passing game.  Lets stop acting like Ivory is some all pro RB.  I mean the year before a crappy Greene had more rushing yards and receptions than Ivory.  And everybody thought Greene sucked.   But somehow a guy who did less was a great pickup?  Ok.

[GKnight83]

Decker has the exact skill set to line up at wide receiver on any side of the field.

The title number 1 is b.s

Truth be told you need at least 2 productive receivers.

If you dont think he's good enough then thats your opinion but he can catch, beat press, & run the whole route tree. What side he lines up on doesn't matter.

 

You referred to him as the #1.  Not me.  I agree you need 2 or more productive receivers.  I just made a point that he was not a slot receiver - you know, like you said.  I never said he was not good enough or what side he lines up on.  You are just running your mouth now trying to cover up the fact you have no clue what you are talking about. 

[GKnight83]

You do know a x plays the outside, and a z plays the slot rite?

A Z receiver will be lined up off the line of scrimmage. Due to his speed, the Z receiver will get to catch a large number of passes. Secondly, the Z receiver's position on the right side of the quarterback means that a right-handed quarterback will pass to him instead of across his body to another receiver. During a running play, the Z receiver will have the responsibility of blocking defenders. A Z receiver can be placed in the position between the split end and the left tackle, at which time he will be referred to as a "slot back". Even though the Z receiver is referred to as a "slot back" in this position, the Z receiver still has the exact same responsibility.

 

I was saying Decker is a Z my friend.  You know, the second receiver.  The Y can be the slot receiver if there is no TE.

[Lizard King]

I was saying Decker is a Z my friend.  You know, the second receiver.  The Y can be the slot receiver if there is no TE.

this guy's correct

[GKnight83]

I will help out a bit more.  The designation is dependent upon the set.

 

2-2 set.  2 receivers, 2 running backs.  If a slot receiver is on the field he is now filling the Z role.  You could possibly have a TE in the Z role too.

 

3-1 set.  3 receivers, 1 running back.  You have the X, Z, Y set up where the Y is either a TE or the slot.  You have the possibility of a X and two TEs (either in or one split out).  You can even have 3 TEs in a short yardage situation.

 

4-0 set.  4 receivers, empty backfield.  Any of the possible X, Z, Y, slot combinations.

[Gastineau Lives]

I will help out a bit more.  The designation is dependent upon the set.

 

2-2 set.  2 receivers, 2 running backs.  If a slot receiver is on the field he is now filling the Z role.  You could possibly have a TE in the Z role too.

 

3-1 set.  3 receivers, 1 running back.  You have the X, Z, Y set up where the Y is either a TE or the slot.  You have the possibility of a X and two TEs (either in or one split out).  You can even have 3 TEs in a short yardage situation.

 

4-0 set.  4 receivers, empty backfield.  Any of the possible X, Z, Y, slot combinations.

 

[Jetknowledge]

You mean the same team who was blown out in 6 of 8 losses?

The evidence so far is he knows how to cut cap space, and he drafted defensive players last year that Rex always seems to draft anyway, so nobody knows if the guy knows how to build a winning team.

So far the evidence says it's the same Jets. They draft defensive players well, but the offense sucks. Lets hope this year is different. That's the evidence so far. And lets be real about Ivory. The guy is a backup running back who ran for 800 yards and did nothing in the passing game. Lets stop acting like Ivory is some all pro RB. I mean the year before a crappy Greene had more rushing yards and receptions than Ivory. And everybody thought Greene sucked. But somehow a guy who did less was a great pickup? Ok.

he drafted with great value for each round, he didnt toss money around to anybody with a name, he braught in players to compete but hes not married to any contract he didnt inherit. What more can you ask, how those players play is on the coaches. Not to mention he was handicapped by the cap last year.

And Brian winters, Dee miliner, and geno smith struggled but still showed positives to have a bright future.

No need to comment on Sheldon obviously.

[Jetknowledge]

You referred to him as the #1. Not me. I agree you need 2 or more productive receivers. I just made a point that he was not a slot receiver - you know, like you said. I never said he was not good enough or what side he lines up on. You are just running your mouth now trying to cover up the fact you have no clue what you are talking about.

I never called him a 1, i said he can play the X. You said

_{Since when is Decker a #1? I mean usually X receivers are 1s, not Z receivers.}

I may have misunderstood what you meant, but i know exactly what im talking about and what I mean. He can line up and produce anywhere, no title describes his skill set.

[Il Mostro]

The JN brain trust is loaded with NFL coaching acumen.   

[bitonti]

I never called him a 1, i said he can play the X. You said

 

 

not only is Decker a 1, he's the highest paid player on the Jets right now. 

 

Breno is 4th, Vick is 5th and Dimitri Patterson is 10th. 

[Jetknowledge]

not only is Decker a 1, he's the highest paid player on the Jets right now.

Breno is 4th, Vick is 5th and Dimitri Patterson is 10th.

I didn't know that but i do know Wilkerson will be after extension

[SouthernJet]

I didn't know that but i do know Wilkerson will be after extension

yup, where much of the cap idzik 'isnt spending' is being saved for,,Mo, jeremy kerley etc

[bitonti]

I didn't know that but i do know Wilkerson will be after extension

 

yup, where much of the cap idzik 'isnt spending' is being saved for,,Mo, jeremy kerley etc

 

the way the rookie contracts are set up, it's not even smart to extend Mo until 2015. and they could franchise him. 

 

in other words they aren't saving the room for Mo. They have to spend to get up to the floor in future years on other ways (FA).

[GenoandtheJets]

His plan stinks of losing. Barely any freeagents signed. Setting Rex Ryan up to fail.thats my opinion

[NCJETSFAN]

He traded a 4th round pick on our starting running back, he drafted 7 players 1 was a droy 3 have bright futures and 5 started.

All that in his 1st draft, he haven't given out any outrageous contracts.

No losing season so far.

Decker can play the receiver position exceptionally, he doesn't need a title to contribute. Just accurate passes.

Mos fans of teams, even awful teams head into the next season with hope & faith. I see majority of jetnation doubting what little we have......

What 3 have bright futures?

[SouthernJet]

"The football offseason is like an event, a circus act, and fans in general want to see something," a longtime personnel executive said this week. "With John, he takes the air out of the balloon. It's not exciting, but he does it his way. You have to respect that." 

Idzik's way is similar to those of the Green Bay Packers, San Francisco 49ers and Seattle Seahawks, three successful organizations that rely on the draft more than free agency.

Their usual philosophy: Draft. Develop. Extend. In other words, use your money to re-invest in your homegrown talent. 

"He's modeling those organizations," the former personnel executive said of Idzik

[pedro55]

"The football offseason is like an event, a circus act, and fans in general want to see something," a longtime personnel executive said this week. "With John, he takes the air out of the balloon. It's not exciting, but he does it his way. You have to respect that." 

Idzik's way is similar to those of the Green Bay Packers, San Francisco 49ers and Seattle Seahawks, three successful organizations that rely on the draft more than free agency.

Their usual philosophy: Draft. Develop. Extend. In other words, use your money to re-invest in your homegrown talent. 

"He's modeling those organizations," the former personnel executive said of Idzik

 

  This is pretty much wrong.   The Seahawks have signed/traded for a bunch of players over the years and they got lucky with a 3rd round QB and 5th round defensive players.  But guys like Whitehurst, Rice, Flynn, etc all were bad.   And Harvin was pretty much a bust last year.   

 

 And the Packers?    They suck without Aaron Rodgers.  The Jets don't have Rodgers, so lets build a team like the Packers who don't win when their QB is injured?   

[SouthernJet]

  This is pretty much wrong.   The Seahawks have signed/traded for a bunch of players over the years and they got lucky with a 3rd round QB and 5th round defensive players.  But guys like Whitehurst, Rice, Flynn, etc all were bad.   And Harvin was pretty much a bust last year.   

 

 And the Packers?    They suck without Aaron Rodgers.  The Jets don't have Rodgers, so lets build a team like the Packers who don't win when their QB is injured?   

sea did trade for lynch/harvin.. we traded for ivory and may do more, but mainly sea built thru draft, how is it wrong ?  And you say 'they got lucky'? Well me may also, but its still thru draft. Hence, its isnt wrong, you are.

[stoicsentry]

plan ?  you mean the one where has to give kerley 50 million next year because he was so stupid this year ?

 

plan

 

LOL

 

LOL yeah, he doesn't seem to realize that his plan to avoid overpaying is going to look ridiculous when he finds himself in a year where he has to spend $75M. Free agents will know that and milk him for all the Jets are worth.