Matt39 Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 Other than Manuel last year(who everyone knew wasnt a good pick)...will we see similar patterns of teams waiting on a QB? Manziel is the wild card this year- Bridgewater seems to be this years Geno(#1 pick to possible 2nd round), Bortles etc. With how stacked the draft is this year, why reach on an uncertainty at QB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonehands Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 This year will be a good test because these guys are mediocre as a group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanInDenver Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 Other than Manuel last year(who everyone knew wasnt a good pick)...will we see similar patterns of teams waiting on a QB? Manziel is the wild card this year- Bridgewater seems to be this years Geno(#1 pick to possible 2nd round), Bortles etc. With how stacked the draft is this year, why reach on a uncertainty at QB? You are correct. Last year was the first first in a while that teams did not reach for a QB need except the Bills. But last year except for the JETS most QB needy teams made deals to have a stop gap/potential future QB in place in the FA market itself. So that helped the situation. Would be interesting to see what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LWC611 Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 If i was the GM of the Texans I wait until the Second round. Take Clowney first and BQBA in the second. If I am the GM of the Browns if watkins is there when I pick I get him or BPA other than QB and I wait until 26 or second round for a QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 "I can't remember being in such awe of a quarterback in my decade of attending combines and pro days. Russell's passing session was the most impressive of all the pro days I've been to. His footwork for such a big quarterback was surprising. He was nimble in his dropbacks, rolling out and throwing on the run. The ball just explodes out of his hands." -- ESPN's Todd McShay "JaMarcus Russell is going to immediately energize that fanbase, that football team -- on the practice field, in that locker room. Three years from now you could be looking at a guy that's certainly one of the elite top five quarterbacks in this league. ...You're talking about a 2-3 year period once he's under center. Look out because the skill level that he has is certainly John Elway-like." -- ESPN's Mel Kiper "The workout Russell had was Star Wars. It was unbelievable." Then-Tampa Bay Bucs coach Jon Gruden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 Other than Manuel last year(who everyone knew wasnt a good pick)...will we see similar patterns of teams waiting on a QB? Manziel is the wild card this year- Bridgewater seems to be this years Geno(#1 pick to possible 2nd round), Bortles etc. With how stacked the draft is this year, why reach on an uncertainty at QB? I don't think Bridgewater or Manziel falls. I wouldn't be surprised if teams reach on Bortles and Carr in the first and more guys in the second either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 I don't think Bridgewater or Manziel falls. I wouldn't be surprised if teams reach on Bortles and Carr in the first and more guys in the second either. Cosign. It makes sense with the rookie caps. I don't think Ponder or Wheeden are going to deter anyone going forward, the risk/reward for teams without a QB will always be completely worth it so long so long as the wage scale is in place, which is probably forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanInDenver Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 I don't think Bridgewater or Manziel falls. I wouldn't be surprised if teams reach on Bortles and Carr in the first and more guys in the second either. I hope they reach for Bortles and Carr before the #18 pick. That means someone really good falls to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted April 10, 2014 Author Share Posted April 10, 2014 I don't think Bridgewater or Manziel falls. I wouldn't be surprised if teams reach on Bortles and Carr in the first and more guys in the second either. Curious what the rational is behind Bortles becoming a high pick. Big dude? Hot girlfriend? Seriously...the NFL scouting process is fascinating. Did anyone actually think Blaine Gabbert could be good? Tannehill too. He's ok and will always be decent I guess...but sh*t. I like him being in our division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 I think so. I think a lot of these guys drop like stones this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilkshake69 Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 It will be interesting to see. You would think that the new CBA would have the opposite effect. In the past, teams were shy of drafting a QB at the top of the draft unless they were sure that he was going to be a franchise guy because the crazy amount of guaranteed money those guys were making, even more so for the QB position; think Sam Bradford. Since the new CBA has come into place, many of the successful teams in the league (Seattle, San Francisco, etc.) have thrived with young QBs because they do not have very big price tags in terms of cap, which has allowed them to reallocate those funds to building a superior supporting cast to those who pay a premium at the QB position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted April 11, 2014 Share Posted April 11, 2014 I think teams are learning that it's better to have no quarterback than to lock yourself into a bad QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted April 11, 2014 Share Posted April 11, 2014 Curious what the rational is behind Bortles becoming a high pick. Big dude? Hot girlfriend? Seriously...the NFL scouting process is fascinating. Did anyone actually think Blaine Gabbert could be good? Tannehill too. He's ok and will always be decent I guess...but sh*t. I like him being in our division. I think teams see things in Bortles and Carr that can be fixed with coaching. Gabbert and Ponder were simply dumb, stupid picks made by bad GMs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted April 11, 2014 Share Posted April 11, 2014 you see so many DT's and o-lineman go early, I think the "planet" theory is making a comeback Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionelRichie Posted April 11, 2014 Share Posted April 11, 2014 you see so many DT's and o-lineman go early, I think the "planet" theory is making a comeback ahhh memories...the "planet theory" and the "super unit" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted April 11, 2014 Share Posted April 11, 2014 Speaking of mediocre QBs, where would Ryan Mallett go in this year's draft? I ask because I think he's getting traded. Would you rather have Blake Bortles, or a cleaned-up Mallett who just spent three years in a film room with Tom Brady? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted April 11, 2014 Share Posted April 11, 2014 Speaking of mediocre QBs, where would Ryan Mallett go in this year's draft? I ask because I think he's getting traded. Would you rather have Blake Bortles, or a cleaned-up Mallett who just spent three years in a film room with Tom Brady? This is the second time that Belichick is about to sell someone on that exact notion. Except this time the guy has no experience and he already turned down offers for Mr. Scantron last season. The fact that Mallett is a notorious a$$hole means something is up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted April 11, 2014 Share Posted April 11, 2014 Curious what the rational is behind Bortles becoming a high pick. He's not Teddy Bridgewater or Johnny Manziel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SayNoToDMC Posted April 11, 2014 Share Posted April 11, 2014 Speaking of mediocre QBs, where would Ryan Mallett go in this year's draft? I ask because I think he's getting traded. Would you rather have Blake Bortles, or a cleaned-up Mallett who just spent three years in a film room with Tom Brady? I'd call Eric Ainge before I have up a pick for Mallett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack48 Posted April 11, 2014 Share Posted April 11, 2014 "I can't remember being in such awe of a quarterback in my decade of attending combines and pro days. Russell's passing session was the most impressive of all the pro days I've been to. His footwork for such a big quarterback was surprising. He was nimble in his dropbacks, rolling out and throwing on the run. The ball just explodes out of his hands." -- ESPN's Todd McShay "JaMarcus Russell is going to immediately energize that fanbase, that football team -- on the practice field, in that locker room. Three years from now you could be looking at a guy that's certainly one of the elite top five quarterbacks in this league. ...You're talking about a 2-3 year period once he's under center. Look out because the skill level that he has is certainly John Elway-like." -- ESPN's Mel Kiper "The workout Russell had was Star Wars. It was unbelievable." Then-Tampa Bay Bucs coach Jon Gruden Ha ha ha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LWC611 Posted April 11, 2014 Share Posted April 11, 2014 Speaking of mediocre QBs, where would Ryan Mallett go in this year's draft? I ask because I think he's getting traded. Would you rather have Blake Bortles, or a cleaned-up Mallett who just spent three years in a film room with Tom Brady? i think he would be in the convestaion with Carr, Metenberger, McArron. Not a fIrst rounder but one that could go anywhere between rounds 2 and 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted April 11, 2014 Share Posted April 11, 2014 "I can't remember being in such awe of a quarterback in my decade of attending combines and pro days. Russell's passing session was the most impressive of all the pro days I've been to. His footwork for such a big quarterback was surprising. He was nimble in his dropbacks, rolling out and throwing on the run. The ball just explodes out of his hands." -- ESPN's Todd McShay "JaMarcus Russell is going to immediately energize that fanbase, that football team -- on the practice field, in that locker room. Three years from now you could be looking at a guy that's certainly one of the elite top five quarterbacks in this league. ...You're talking about a 2-3 year period once he's under center. Look out because the skill level that he has is certainly John Elway-like." -- ESPN's Mel Kiper "The workout Russell had was Star Wars. It was unbelievable." Then-Tampa Bay Bucs coach Jon Gruden Yes the so called experts are always right=hah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted April 11, 2014 Share Posted April 11, 2014 I wonder when teams will smarten up from taking mediocre college DE who don't produce but can run a great 40. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted April 11, 2014 Share Posted April 11, 2014 I think the rationale is exactly why you DON'T wait to pick your Qb. If you miss on a Qb pick you've got nothing.if you miss a DT you probably end up with a solid rotation player/starter. I don't think you look at the Qbs and say I will take whichever is there in the 2nd. If you think you found a viable Qb, you jump on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted April 11, 2014 Share Posted April 11, 2014 I think the rationale is exactly why you DON'T wait to pick your Qb. If you miss on a Qb pick you've got nothing.if you miss a DT you probably end up with a solid rotation player/starter. I don't think you look at the Qbs and say I will take whichever is there in the 2nd. If you think you found a viable Qb, you jump on him. Relating to what TS said above, teams don't give up on these bad QB prospects so quickly when they're drafted in round 1 (particularly in/around the top 15). You're better off getting a great guy somewhere else than missing on a QB (if those are the choices). Reaching badly for a QB increases that risk. Then the following year in the draft (or in FA or in trade) if someone's available, a team will pass on that for years while they "develop" an un-develop-able bust like Sanchez, Ponder, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Latinlawyer Posted April 11, 2014 Share Posted April 11, 2014 The later the round the less the risk on a QB, you don't take a QB in round one unless you ar sure he is NFL capable both in mind and ability. You can take a swing at QB in the later rounds...that way you don'ttie yourself to a possible long term headache. The lower the round, the less contracual risk/money risk but possibly higher bust risk. Looks like a sweet spot for a QB pick..(balanced risk/reward) is rounds 3-5. LL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted April 11, 2014 Share Posted April 11, 2014 I think the rationale is exactly why you DON'T wait to pick your Qb. If you miss on a Qb pick you've got nothing.if you miss a DT you probably end up with a solid rotation player/starter. I don't think you look at the Qbs and say I will take whichever is there in the 2nd. If you think you found a viable Qb, you jump on him. Yeah, but...... While I generally subscribe to the theory of grabbing a player you need when you can, you cannot over reach. Especially when you are drafting at the top of the draft. If the Texans take Manziel and pas son Clowney, that is likely Bill O'Brein's one and only NFL HC job. Especially, after listening to the draft reports on Manziel. Look at the Vikes and Ponder. No one projected him to be that high. Now, the Vikings are trying to figure things out again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Latinlawyer Posted April 11, 2014 Share Posted April 11, 2014 Yeah, but...... While I generally subscribe to the theory of grabbing a player you need when you can, you cannot over reach. Especially when you are drafting at the top of the draft. If the Texans take Manziel and pas son Clowney, that is likely Bill O'Brein's one and only NFL HC job. Especially, after listening to the draft reports on Manziel. Look at the Vikes and Ponder. No one projected him to be that high. Now, the Vikings are trying to figure things out again. I must, begrudingly, agree with you PFSIKH. Ponder wasa horrible reach that cost that franchise valuable time. Can you imagine AP with a better than average QB? Vikes could be rolling... LL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted April 11, 2014 Share Posted April 11, 2014 I must, begrudingly, agree with you PFSIKH. Ponder wasa horrible reach that cost that franchise valuable time. Can you imagine AP with a better than average QB? Vikes could be rolling... LL You know right. They could probably cut down his touches and extend his career a few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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