Gastineau Lives Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 My point was that, using your criteria, Dan Marino was better than Geno Smith right now. IN YOUR FACE LOL no, not at all. Dan Marino didn't play last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 You lost all credibility when you said that Dan Marino at 53 could play QB better right now than Michael Vick. You lost all credibility when you suggested that Tom had credibility before he made that statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Favorite_Toon Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 I think we are losing the argument's meaning. I will put it this way.... If your life was on the line and you needed the jets to win one game and you had to pick either Geno Smith or Michael Vick in that game.. your telling me you would be confident with Geno? We are saying Vick is a better QB as of right now... not 5 years from now.. Philly had a terrible horrible disgusting defense last year... they had probaly one of the worst secondarys in the league and gave up a ton of points... you cannot hang that on Vick.. Is he a terrible person for what he did with those dogs? absolutely! is he a better QB then Geno as of right now.. absolutely! I love how we have all this love for Geno Smith now.. I guess it has set in that Mark will never be a jet again so everyone hopped on the geno train. I totally get what you mean.. Yes they want Geno to win the job and thats obvious. Geno losing would mean that pick was a failure and they need to continue the search for a QB. I get that.. But you cannot tell me that Geno as of right now is a better QB then Vick. If my life is on the line and I need to win one game... Im going with the experience.. you guys can go with Geno.. and see how that works out for you.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 You lost all credibility when you suggested that Tom had credibility before he made that statement. LOL Brandon is your last hope. Good luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Favorite_Toon Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 I will be a weekly caller.. Steve From bensonhurst! Love me or hate me... There will always be some entertainment value... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 I will be a weekly caller.. Steve From bensonhurst! Love me or hate me... There will always be some entertainment value... Thanks for the heads up. I hope they give the call screener a raise. Sounds like he will be busy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 I will be a weekly caller.. Steve From bensonhurst! Love me or hate me... There will always be some entertainment value... That is a good radio name btw. Steve from Bensonhurst. I like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
courtnj18 Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 Courtney is off to Philly going to buy a Sanchez jersey You're an ass. At the time, Mark was our best OPTION. Namath was also saying the same thing. Now, Geno is our best OPTION at QB. Vick is average at most, and I bet he get's hurt after 3 games anyway. You need to think long term, not short term for the team. The NFL is getting younger and Idzik is building for future - in case you haven't noticed. Vick is a one year rental, which is (one of the reasons) why we drafted a QB. Right now, we do not have a currently signed QB that is a long-term solution for the team. But Geno showed a glimmer of hope in the end of the last season, and he is younger and stronger than Vick. Our receivers can chase after his inaccurate throws, so long as he stays healthy. And to say you wish we drafted Manziel?! That's a whole different thread that I will not waste my life on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
courtnj18 Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 just caught the replay reactions: 1) Idzik doesn't "give" Rex picks. Tajh Boyd is not John Conner. He's not Dave Yovanovitz. Boyd is worth a 6th round pick on his big game film alone. He should beat out Simms easy, and backup Geno after Vick leaves. 2) Courtney takes alot of crap but is underrated as a football mind. I agree with her pick of Pryor of favorite pick. 3) Pryor was the best available player and will start right away. It's arguably a better pick to take a difference making 1st safety off the board than a 4th WR or a 3rd CB. 4) Villian The Foe sounded smart as hell. Gamechangers. You got it buddy. 5) Was impressed by TS's self control. new meds? Thank you. I just printed 500 copies of this and hung it everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
courtnj18 Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 Angelo is older And wiser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 Vick will never play 16 games- even if by some chance he would be the starter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted May 17, 2014 Author Share Posted May 17, 2014 Getting real up in hurrr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 You're an ass. At the time, Mark was our best OPTION. Namath was also saying the same thing. Now, Geno is our best OPTION at QB. Vick is average at most, and I bet he get's hurt after 3 games anyway. You need to think long term, not short term for the team. The NFL is getting younger and Idzik is building for future - in case you haven't noticed. Vick is a one year rental, which is (one of the reasons) why we drafted a QB. Right now, we do not have a currently signed QB that is a long-term solution for the team. But Geno showed a glimmer of hope in the end of the last season, and he is younger and stronger than Vick. Our receivers can chase after his inaccurate throws, so long as he stays healthy. And to say you wish we drafted Manziel?! That's a whole different thread that I will not waste my life on. Actually Vick is our best option for 2014 and it's not even close. We as a fanbase need Smith to win the job and end up being the long term answer or the search continues. Idzik hopes for the same (and will likely ensure Geno is names the starter) or last years draft is really a mixed bag success wise other than Richardson. Personally I would have addressed QB with the 18th pick as I don't buy all the overhype of Geno's last four games . Still, the best thing for all involved is if Geno surprises us and is legit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 Actually Vick is our best option for 2014 and it's not even close. We as a fanbase need Smith to win the job and end up being the long term answer or the search continues. Idzik hopes for the same (and will likely ensure Geno is names the starter) or last years draft is really a mixed bag success wise other than Richardson. Personally I would have addressed QB with the 18th pick as I don't buy all the overhype of Geno's last four games . Still, the best thing for all involved is if Geno surprises us and is legit. Marty Morhinweg disagrees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 You're an ass. At the time, Mark was our best OPTION. Namath was also saying the same thing. Now, Geno is our best OPTION at QB. Vick is average at most, and I bet he get's hurt after 3 games anyway. You need to think long term, not short term for the team. The NFL is getting younger and Idzik is building for future - in case you haven't noticed. Vick is a one year rental, which is (one of the reasons) why we drafted a QB. Right now, we do not have a currently signed QB that is a long-term solution for the team. But Geno showed a glimmer of hope in the end of the last season, and he is younger and stronger than Vick. Our receivers can chase after his inaccurate throws, so long as he stays healthy. And to say you wish we drafted Manziel?! That's a whole different thread that I will not waste my life on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SayNoToDMC Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 I think we are losing the argument's meaning. I will put it this way.... If your life was on the line and you needed the jets to win one game and you had to pick either Geno Smith or Michael Vick in that game.. your telling me you would be confident with Geno? We are saying Vick is a better QB as of right now... not 5 years from now.. Philly had a terrible horrible disgusting defense last year... they had probaly one of the worst secondarys in the league and gave up a ton of points... you cannot hang that on Vick.. Is he a terrible person for what he did with those dogs? absolutely! is he a better QB then Geno as of right now.. absolutely! I love how we have all this love for Geno Smith now.. I guess it has set in that Mark will never be a jet again so everyone hopped on the geno train. I totally get what you mean.. Yes they want Geno to win the job and thats obvious. Geno losing would mean that pick was a failure and they need to continue the search for a QB. I get that.. But you cannot tell me that Geno as of right now is a better QB then Vick. If my life is on the line and I need to win one game... Im going with the experience.. you guys can go with Geno.. and see how that works out for you.. I would refuse to play your silly game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 I would refuse to play your silly game I am assuming you think that is a joke, but there is no need for garbage like that here. Keep it to football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Favorite_Toon Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 That is a good radio name btw. Steve from Bensonhurst. I like it.[/quo te] That was my name when I,called into Mike and and the mad dog years ago..Chris Russo hated me.. he's a huge sf giant fan and I'm a,dodgers fan.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Favorite_Toon Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 You're an ass. At the time, Mark was our best OPTION. Namath was also saying the same thing. Now, Geno is our best OPTION at QB. Vick is average at most, and I bet he get's hurt after 3 games anyway. You need to think long term, not short term for the team. The NFL is getting younger and Idzik is building for future - in case you haven't noticed. Vick is a one year rental, which is (one of the reasons) why we drafted a QB. Right now, we do not have a currently signed QB that is a long-term solution for the team. But Geno showed a glimmer of hope in the end of the last season, and he is younger and stronger than Vick. Our receivers can chase after his inaccurate throws, so long as he stays healthy. And to say you wish we drafted Manziel?! That's a whole different thread that I will not waste my life on. I'm an ass? You know the rules.. no personal,attacks Mrs Sanchez.. and Mark Sanchez was,not the best option.. only in your little girl crush eyes.. Your not saying anything we don't know.. the argument for the 100th time..is who a better qb right this moment.. not for the future.. Angelo is wiser? great.. you hurt my feelings lol and Manziel could possibly be a future hofer.. he has that talent.. graded better then geno.. and I would have taken him over a safety. Let's face it..you were in love with Mark Sanchez.. even after the butt fumble and how terrible he was..you still would defend him.. You don't get a free pass over here sister.. Like most kissing your butt.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 I'm an ass? You know the rules.. no personal,attacks Mrs Sanchez.. and Mark Sanchez was,not the best option.. only in your little girl crush eyes.. Your not saying anything we don't know.. the argument for the 100th time..is who a better qb right this moment.. not for the future.. Angelo is wiser? great.. you hurt my feelings lol and Manziel could possibly be a future hofer.. he has that talent.. graded better then geno.. and I would have taken him over a safety. Let's face it..you were in love with Mark Sanchez.. even after the butt fumble and how terrible he was..you still would defend him.. You don't get a free pass over here sister.. Like most kissing your butt.. The ironic part is that Namwth loves Manzel. But he also loves Sanchez lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted May 19, 2014 Author Share Posted May 19, 2014 I'm an ass? You know the rules.. no personal,attacks Mrs Sanchez.. and Mark Sanchez was,not the best option.. only in your little girl crush eyes.. Your not saying anything we don't know.. the argument for the 100th time..is who a better qb right this moment.. not for the future.. Angelo is wiser? great.. you hurt my feelings lol and Manziel could possibly be a future hofer.. he has that talent.. graded better then geno.. and I would have taken him over a safety. Let's face it..you were in love with Mark Sanchez.. even after the butt fumble and how terrible he was..you still would defend him.. You don't get a free pass over here sister.. Like most kissing your butt.. While it's fair to bust Courtney's balls over her loyalty to Sanchez, you shouldn't forget that her reasoning has always been that he was ****ed over by an inept organization and a full-retard head coach--which is undeniable. After a 2010 season when if at least looked like he might emerge, he shows up to 2011 training camp to find Holmes, Plaxico, and Derrick Mason in the huddle because Rex thinks it's fun to bring in assholes. Mason ran a train on Sanchez so hard that summer that the Jets had to get him off the team. There's no way you can look at what they did to Sanchez and say that any young QB would have a chance. It cannot be underestimated how stupid Rex is as far as offensive personnel is concerned. Apparently Chip Kelly agrees with that, and I'm thinking Chip Kelly knows more about QBs than you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 While it's fair to bust Courtney's balls over her loyalty to Sanchez, you shouldn't forget that her reasoning has always been that he was ****ed over by an inept organization and a full-retard head coach--which is undeniable. After a 2010 season when if at least looked like he might emerge, he shows up to 2011 training camp to find Holmes, Plaxico, and Derrick Mason in the huddle because Rex thinks it's fun to bring in assholes. Mason ran a train on Sanchez so hard that summer that the Jets had to get him off the team. There's no way you can look at what they did to Sanchez and say that any young QB would have a chance. It cannot be underestimated how stupid Rex is as far as offensive personnel is concerned. Apparently Chip Kelly agrees with that, and I'm thinking Chip Kelly knows more about QBs than you. He knows more about quarterbacks than me too. That doesn't change the fact that this argument is stupid. Sanchez was doomed from the beginning because he started sixteen games in college. It can't plausibly be argued that his career was mismanaged because there is no way of managing such a prospect that has been demonstrated to work even once ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 While it's fair to bust Courtney's balls over her loyalty to Sanchez, you shouldn't forget that her reasoning has always been that he was ****ed over by an inept organization and a full-retard head coach--which is undeniable. After a 2010 season when if at least looked like he might emerge, he shows up to 2011 training camp to find Holmes, Plaxico, and Derrick Mason in the huddle because Rex thinks it's fun to bring in assholes. Mason ran a train on Sanchez so hard that summer that the Jets had to get him off the team. There's no way you can look at what they did to Sanchez and say that any young QB would have a chance. It cannot be underestimated how stupid Rex is as far as offensive personnel is concerned. Apparently Chip Kelly agrees with that, and I'm thinking Chip Kelly knows more about QBs than you. You ain't hitting it, forget it. Sanchez is exactly what he was projected to be, Akili Smith.,. If you remember, 2010 *when he was able to rise to such lofty status as 28th in DVOA and 22 in QBR), was the year the year in which he lead the league in dropped interceptions by a large margin. What his basic stats showed was the result of a short term luck walk, including the advanced stat foretold what was coming... Similar to the Jets 8-8 record vs our point differential, the latter will be much more accurate in predicting future success, all things being equal. http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/26901/sheer-luck-buoyed-mark-sanchezs-stats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 There's no way you can look at what they did to Sanchez and say that any young QB would have a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 While it's fair to bust Courtney's balls over her loyalty to Sanchez, you shouldn't forget that her reasoning has always been that he was ****ed over by an inept organization and a full-retard head coach--which is undeniable. After a 2010 season when if at least looked like he might emerge, he shows up to 2011 training camp to find Holmes, Plaxico, and Derrick Mason in the huddle because Rex thinks it's fun to bring in assholes. Mason ran a train on Sanchez so hard that summer that the Jets had to get him off the team. There's no way you can look at what they did to Sanchez and say that any young QB would have a chance. It cannot be underestimated how stupid Rex is as far as offensive personnel is concerned. Apparently Chip Kelly agrees with that, and I'm thinking Chip Kelly knows more about QBs than you. I mean, can you imagine what kind of player Sanchez would have been if more people were just nicer to him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted May 19, 2014 Author Share Posted May 19, 2014 Ah, feck. The following things can all be true: 1. Sanchez is soft 2. Sanchez is a dope 3. Sanchez was never going to be good 4. No young QB was going to reach his potential with Rex Ryan having input into personnel. 5. The Jets, as an organization, handled the education of their quarterback as poorly as it could be handled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 I think swearing should be allowed on the podcast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted May 19, 2014 Author Share Posted May 19, 2014 I think swearing should be allowed on the podcast. Seconded Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 Swearing isnt not allowed on the show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeC36 Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 Swearing isnt not allowed on the show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 I just quoted it so I could see the gif again, lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanInDenver Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 Just wondering who is guest on tomorrow's show ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 Ah, feck. The following things can all be true: 1. Sanchez is soft 2. Sanchez is a dope 3. Sanchez was never going to be good 4. No young QB was going to reach his potential with Rex Ryan having input into personnel. 5. The Jets, as an organization, handled the education of their quarterback as poorly as it could be handled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted May 20, 2014 Author Share Posted May 20, 2014 I surrender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 Swearing isnt not allowed on the show. Even if it's towards and about Tom? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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