bitonti Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 Lets look at all the deals: coaches for draft picks over the recent years Parcells Bellichek Vermiel Gruden anyone else notice that the team getting the coach and giving the picks gets the better end of the deal every single time? the head hunter always gets the best of the head hunted. not to mention the fact that aside from Parcells and Namath, Herman Edwards is the closest thing to actual personality this franchise has ever had. We don't have a real home. We don't have reliable superstars. In terms of franchise identity all we really have is Herm. Many fans hate him but the players love him, the media loves him, the other teams love him (as is proven by their head hunting) and the league loves him. Maybe i'm a cynic but seems like a sucker deal to me. Never in the history of trading coaches for picks have the team getting the picks gotten the best of the deal. I am not sure this situation would be any different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nj meadowlands Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 I agree to an extent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudcat21 Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 How can a guy the fans hate be the personality of the team? The guy has been a phony BSer the whole time here. The fans are the ones who would know. His explayers also aren't big fans. I have to say when I think of the Jets, Herm Edwards is the last thing that pops into my mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 All of those coaches are far better than Herm. Herm does represent the Jets and is the face of the franchise......AND THATS THE PROBLEM. Unlike Gruden, Belichick, Parcells and Vermeil, Herm doesnt show anything as a coach and never takes the blame for his team getting outplayed. Comparing Herm to Gruden, Parcells and Vermeil who all coached in a superbowl before they were traded, is ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE tell me you did not put Herm in a group consisting of Parcells, BB, Vermiel and Gruden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 All of those coaches are far better than Herm. Herm does represent the Jets and is the face of the franchise......AND THATS THE PROBLEM. Unlike Gruden, Belichick, Parcells and Vermeil, Herm doesnt show anything as a coach and never takes the blame for his team getting outplayed. Comparing Herm to Gruden, Parcells and Vermeil who all coached in a superbowl before they were traded, is ridiculous. Did the Raiders go to a SB with Gruden? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 No. He went to the AFC championship game and lost to Baltimore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 Did the Raiders go to a SB with Gruden? He took them as far as they could go before Krafts payoff kicked in. But no Gruden didnt, but he turned around that franchise which was in the dumps. Are you seriously gonna rank Herm in the same HC class with Parcells, Belichick, Vermeil and Gruden? There's a difference between those 4 men and Herm... THEY ACTUALLY COACH! And they all have won superbowls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionelRichie Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 anyone else notice that the team getting the coach and giving the picks gets the better end of the deal every single time? herm may not be the bumbling idiot we make him out to be, but his message is stale and it's time for a change. herm's sermons have a shelf life of 4-5 years - that is his window with any team. he very well may do a good job with a new team but he will continue to fail here. you are what your record says you are. and right now herm is behind joe walton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aec4 Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 Lets look at all the deals: coaches for draft picks over the recent years Parcells Bellichek Vermiel Gruden anyone else notice that the team getting the coach and giving the picks gets the better end of the deal every single time? the head hunter always gets the best of the head hunted. not to mention the fact that aside from Parcells and Namath, Herman Edwards is the closest thing to actual personality this franchise has ever had. We don't have a real home. We don't have reliable superstars. In terms of franchise identity all we really have is Herm. Many fans hate him but the players love him, the media loves him, the other teams love him (as is proven by their head hunting) and the league loves him. Maybe i'm a cynic but seems like a sucker deal to me. Never in the history of trading coaches for picks have the team getting the picks gotten the best of the deal. I am not sure this situation would be any different. Didn't we give up a load for Parcells, which in time, helped build the Pats to what they are now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 herm may not be the bumbling idiot we make him out to be, but his message is stale and it's time for a change. herm's sermons have a shelf life of 4-5 years - that is his window with any team. he very well may do a good job with a new team but he will continue to fail here. you are what your record says you are. and right now herm is behind joe walton. This I absolutely agree with-Coaches have a shelf life, and teh shelf life of Herm is probably over right now. I concur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 No coach has ever taken his team to thier first Super Bowl appearance after their 5th season with a team. Signed, Meaningless records department. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudcat21 Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 Someone send this article to Woody Peckerhead. The situation here in NY is the same as it is in Green Bay. Take action Woody. Packers GM says he didn't fire Sherman because of losing record By TOM SILVERSTEIN tsilverstein@journalsentinel.com Posted: Jan. 2, 2006 Green Bay - Ultimately, Mike Sherman's shelf life had expired. After six years on the job, Sherman suffered the same fate other head coaches around the National Football League with similar records have faced several years into their tenure: He was fired because there was a perception his time with the Green Bay Packers had run out. Declaring that it was "time for a new face" to lead the Packers, first-year general manager Ted Thompson announced in a Monday morning news conference that he was relieving Sherman of his duties. The move came a day after the Packers finished with a 4-12 record, their first losing season in the Brett Favre era and their worst season since a 4-12 mark in 1991. Just as new general manager Ron Wolf fired Lindy Infante after the '91 campaign so Wolf could hand-pick his head coach, Thompson chose to dismiss Sherman so he, too, could hire his own man. Thompson said he wavered during the season whether to make a change but decided Friday it was in the organization's best interest to replace Sherman. "I didn't really base this decision on our record this year or the play of our players," Thompson said. "This is more thinking in terms of where we are and where we need to get to. It was what I thought was best for the Green Bay Packers over the long haul." Among the candidates expected to be interviewed for the position is Packers defensive coordinator Jim Bates, who guided a unit that improved from 25th in the league to seventh in his only season with the team. In Sherman, Thompson fired a coach whose 59-43 career record ranks fourth in team history in both victories and winning percentage (.578) and whose three division titles rank tied with Mike Holmgren for third in franchise history. Sherman led the Packers to the playoffs during four of his six seasons, but he went 2-4 in post-season games and never made it past the second round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 Lets look at all the deals: coaches for draft picks over the recent years Parcells Bellichek Vermiel Gruden anyone else notice that the team getting the coach and giving the picks gets the better end of the deal every single time? the head hunter always gets the best of the head hunted. not to mention the fact that aside from Parcells and Namath, Herman Edwards is the closest thing to actual personality this franchise has ever had. We don't have a real home. We don't have reliable superstars. In terms of franchise identity all we really have is Herm. Many fans hate him but the players love him, the media loves him, the other teams love him (as is proven by their head hunting) and the league loves him. Maybe i'm a cynic but seems like a sucker deal to me. Never in the history of trading coaches for picks have the team getting the picks gotten the best of the deal. I am not sure this situation would be any different. u keep sayin this like people believe it,,, so what,,, for many years the closest thing WPIX TV had to a personality was Soupy Sales, that didnt make it something to be overly proud of,,, we are supposed to be proud that our 'personality' has the IQ of a kicking tee? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiamiJet Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 Did the Raiders go to a SB with Gruden? Uh, yes. It was his team, his players, his offensive system in place that Bill Callahan guided. Because Gruden knew his system and players so well, he was able to gameplan on how to beat them. Notice how Barber and the other dbs jumped Oakland's rotues, and the D as a whole seemed to know the plays before the offense could even call them? Gruden. He was responsible for TWO teams making the Superbowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 No coach has ever taken his team to thier first Super Bowl appearance after their 5th season with a team. Signed, Meaningless records department. I may be wrong, but didn't Landry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiamiJet Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 I may be wrong, but didn't Landry? You are right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cant Hackett Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 u keep sayin this like people believe it,,, so what,,, for many years the closest thing WPIX TV had to a personality was Soupy Sales, that didnt make it something to be overly proud of,,, we are supposed to be proud that our 'personality' has the IQ of a kicking tee? SJ, Soupy Sales???, you are showing your age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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