Integrity28 Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 Joe's comments about Mark frequently included the idea that he would turn the corner and that he's a good player. Joe's comments about Geno have always lacked optimism, starting with questioning the merit of drafting him or a QB at all, this about how nothing he sees is outstanding, and about how he'd like it if Boyd or Simms were to beat Geno out. Seems like he made up his mind about both players very early on and then added his comments regardless of what was seen on the field. One was a top 5 pick. One was a 2nd rounder. I don't think it's criminal that he has less willingness to give up on the top 5 pick. It would have been better for all of us if Sanchez did turn the corner. I also don't think it's criminal that he forms an opinion and sticks with it, he's known football his whole life. Might have something to do with his unwillingness to abandon his opinion. It cracks me up how quickly fans turn into the thought police when it concerns Namath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 fwiw.. I was more offended when he had positive things to say about Sanchez then saying negative things about Geno. At least the latter indicates he's at least paying attention This is true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 So Namath lays out the truth once again and the butt hurt Jets fans start crying. This fan base is incredible ...Its either total denial or its eternal optimism What Namath is really trying to say in a nice way if that Geno is most likely not the guy Bingo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 One was a top 5 pick. One was a 2nd rounder. I don't think it's criminal that he has less willingness to give up on the top 5 pick. It would have been better for all of us if Sanchez did turn the corner. I also don't think it's criminal that he forms an opinion and sticks with it, he's known football his whole life. Might have something to do with his unwillingness to abandon his opinion. It cracks me up how quickly fans turn into the thought police when it concerns Namath. Unwillingness to change ones opinion in light of evidence is the hallmark of stupidity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 One was a top 5 pick. One was a 2nd rounder. I don't think it's criminal that he has less willingness to give up on the top 5 pick. It would have been better for all of us if Sanchez did turn the corner. I also don't think it's criminal that he forms an opinion and sticks with it, he's known football his whole life. Might have something to do with his unwillingness to abandon his opinion. It cracks me up how quickly fans turn into the thought police when it concerns Namath. Please, tell me how to think while you bag on the board for being the thought police. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 Unwillingness to change ones opinion in light of evidence is the hallmark of stupidity. Or perhaps the hallmark of someone that isn't used to being wrong. This argument isn't about his intelligence, he's a football player - it should be a given. To me, it's about him choosing to be honest, and honesty is better than pandering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 Please, tell me how to think while you bag on the board for being the thought police. Wadded up today, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 This will work out awesome for Jet fans if he is as wrong about Geno as he was about Sanchez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
use2Jet Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 If anything, Brees should be the perfect example of why it's difficult to try to make a definitive evaluation of a guy like Geno this early on. That's not to say you can't think he's going to suck, because that's certainly your prerogative, but I don't see the basis for this mysterious ceiling you seem to think exists. Brees was considered a monumental bust through the first 3 years of his career, and absolutely nobody was talking about his "it factor" back then. I mean hell, his numbers in his third year weren't all that far off from Geno's rookie year, which is really saying something. Rodgers, on the other hand, was still sitting on his ass for another 2 years at this point in his career. Of course that doesn't mean Geno is destined to ever be as good as either of those guys, but there's a difference between that and saying the best he could be is significantly worse than any of those guys. I'm still unsure of Geno myself, but there were certainly some flashes in there, and outside of that mess of a first Pats game, he actually seemed to step up and be at his best in the close games, which is something this team hasn't seen at QB since... hell, I don't even know. There's certainly a chance Geno winds up being a complete bust, especially since this is the freakin' Jets we're talking about after all, but I guess I'm just not buying into this concept that he's already doomed to be nothing more than mediocre-at-best. I have no idea what Geno will ultimately become other than my opinion based on watching him play. Just throwing out my opinion, when Geno is much better than this, you can remind me of this opinion and I will happily eat crow and buy you a beer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 Wadded up today, eh? Wadded up? Who are you, Tex? I personally don't give a **** what Namath said. It seemed like some pretty innocuous comments with a sensationalist headline. It is just kind of funny to act like we should all bow down to Joe after his drunken antics over the years. He made the organization relevant? He also made them a laughingstock. I don’t even think Joe would deny that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
use2Jet Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 So Namath lays out the truth once again and the butt hurt Jets fans start crying. This fan base is incredible ...Its either total denial or its eternal optimism What Namath is really trying to say in a nice way if that Geno is most likely not the guy It seems as though if you say anything about Geno, Rexy or Idzik around these parts, you gonna piss off some serious peoples! Joe better be on notice, don't say anything negative about any of those 3, or you will feel their wrath! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 Please, tell me how to think while you bag on the board for being the thought police. You haven't noticed that 90% of what he accuses others of is what he does? That's his "shtick." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 Or perhaps the hallmark of someone that isn't used to being wrong. This argument isn't about his intelligence, he's a football player - it should be a given. To me, it's about him choosing to be honest, and honesty is better than pandering. Honesty is fine. But understand that honesty comes with a backlash too. My entire point is that he can't take the opposite stance of the organization constantly and still expect to be the mascot. Wouldn't work for the Philly Phanatic either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 So Namath lays out the truth once again and the butt hurt Jets fans start crying. This fan base is incredible ...Its either total denial or its eternal optimism What Namath is really trying to say in a nice way if that Geno is most likely not the guy how can we judge him without weapons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 how can we judge him without weapons oh snap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 Wadded up? Who are you, Tex? I personally don't give a **** what Namath said. It seemed like some pretty innocuous comments with a sensationalist headline. It is just kind of funny to act like we should all bow down to Joe after his drunken antics over the years. He made the organization relevant? He also made them a laughingstock. I don’t even think Joe would deny that. Ownership, ineptitude and the fans are the top 3 reasons this team is a laughingstock. Namath's drunken antics are just a notch on a 50 year timeline of pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 how can we judge him without weapons I don't even know who you are anymore .... Whats a Weapon ? I'm a jets fan after all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 Honesty is fine. But understand that honesty comes with a backlash too. My entire point is that he can't take the opposite stance of the organization constantly and still expect to be the mascot. Wouldn't work for the Philly Phanatic either. I wouldn't argue any different than the bold. However, I think the backlash that this fan base has towards his honesty is absurdly ironic. They call him senile and alcoholic and stupid because he's not being positive, or at least the excerpts taken from his soundbytes and used as headlines are not optimistic. If you actually read everything he says, he spends a lot of time on what's good and bad, but nobody cares about that. The debates always stem from a methodically chosen headline quote that gets certain types of fans all bent out of shape. If Namath did nothing but heap praise on the Jets, these same people would probably be accusing him of being on the payroll, pandering to the fans, and being senile, etc. It's a no-win situation, same as what happened to Fireman Ed, there's always a contingency of this miserable fan base that has hates on the high profile "fans" as if they envy the platform they have. At the end of the day, Joe is honest, when he could be full of sh*t. If he really wanted to be the mascot, as you suggest, why would he opt for honesty, when it's clear it puts him on the outs with part of the fan base? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 You haven't noticed that 90% of what he accuses others of is what he does? That's his "shtick." Only 90%? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kleckineau Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Unwillingness to change ones opinion in light of evidence is the hallmark of stupidity. We get it. You hate Joe Namath. Take out a full page ad already why dontcha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 We get it. You hate Joe Namath. Take out a full page ad already why dontcha. Because he hates the news papers too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 We get it. You hate Joe Namath. Take out a full page ad already why dontcha. Print is dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzieny Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 So Namath lays out the truth once again and the butt hurt Jets fans start crying. This fan base is incredible ...Its either total denial or its eternal optimism What Namath is really trying to say in a nice way if that Geno is most likely not the guy No whats he's actually saying is "I cant say he sucks because it would come across as being to critical or unsupportive of the organization. So I'll try and be diplomatic about it and say ' Nothing to me is outstanding about it (his attributes) , but it's pretty good." So if you can read, then read between the lines. This screams..........Eugene sucks'. Thanks Joe. Hopefully Idzik and Woody Woodpecker get the message. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzieny Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Unwillingness to change ones opinion in light of evidence is the hallmark of stupidity. No, stupidity is being unwilling to see the truth of the evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenoandtheJets Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Joe Namath should shut up. He has criticized the Jets way to much for a former Super Bowl 3 MVP. go drink a beer Joe Namath. Please no more criticism this is probably why the Jets don't ask for Mr.Namaths opinions. He is proving to be more of a Clown. Old Geezer should shut up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
use2Jet Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Joe Namath should shut up. He has criticized the Jets way to much for a former Super Bowl 3 MVP. go drink a beer Joe Namath. Please no more criticism this is probably why the Jets don't ask for Mr.Namaths opinions. He is proving to be more of a Clown. Old Geezer should shut up ummm, have you seen the Jets much since Super Bowl 3? Do you think they deserved praise since then? I think they have been far more deserving of criticism than praise over that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Print is dead. HOW HAS THIS NOT BEEN REP'D AND QUOTED MULTIPLE TIMES BY NOW?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Print is dead. Now that you mention it, you do remind me a lot of Harold Ramis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 how can we judge him without weapons Geno aint got nothing on Mark Sanchez or Chad Pennington, yo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Wadded up? Who are you, Tex? I personally don't give a **** what Namath said. It seemed like some pretty innocuous comments with a sensationalist headline. It is just kind of funny to act like we should all bow down to Joe after his drunken antics over the years. He made the organization relevant? He also made them a laughingstock. I don’t even think Joe would deny that. Yeah, this pretty much sums it up for me. I don't really worry too much about what Namath has to say, he has the right to his opinion, and in this case the headline is definitely an attempt by the douchebag media to stir up something more than what was there. Granted, he has definitely made deliberate attempts to draw attention for himself in the past with some of his comments and actions, but I really don't give a crap. However, I also don't buy this concept that he, and every word he says, needs to be held up onto some pedestal for all of his days because of something he did over 45 years ago, especially considering that's long before a great number of the folks on this board were watching, or in many cases even alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizard King Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Print is dead. I guess God got the last laugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizard King Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 What's wrong with what Joe is saying? Has anyone even listened to Geno speak? The guy sounds like he is mentally retarded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kleckineau Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Print is dead. I guess Bezos, Buffett and Murdoch never got the memo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Namath said nothing inflammatory in this piece- another example of the media trying to create trouble Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 I guess Bezos, Buffett and Murdoch never got the memo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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