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There's been plenty of great coordinators who are not very good HCs. I'm not even convinced he is a great defensive guy, good, yes, great? Have not seen it.

I've yet to see him raise the play above the defense above the talent level, he's had very good defensive talent every year he's been a Dc or a HC.

 

Whatever.  We clearly had the best defensive talent in the NFL when we had the #1 defense.  Right.  Especially when we lost the player everyone agreed was the cog that held the whole D in place (Jenkins).  Now that we know that (unlike his predecessor) Ryan could get the D playing at an elite level without Jenkins, it's assumed that he was never that important.  

 

Yeah, top talent, like Sione Pouha and Mike DeVito and Vernon Gholston (who started 1/4 of the season due to Pace's suspension, in case you forgot), and an almost out of the league Marques Douglas.  Like the entire NFL was banging down Tannenbaum's door to offer him first rounders for each.  Or a pair of massively overpaid OLBers who could hardly get to the passer outside of coverage sacks.  And Ellis was still decent but a shell of what he once was.  Sure we had Revis, but he's one corner.  We also had a pretty average safety in Jim Leonhard, an ill fit at the other safety position in Rhodes, a way-past-expiration Lito Sheppard, an always-hurt Donald Strickland, and the great Dwight Lowery.  Revis covers one guy, not five.  To say nothing of an offense that couldn't stay on the field and kept forcing the D back out there.  Scott had 1 great season here, but he wasn't a great player.  And Harris is just about the most overrated ILB in the NFL in the past decade (right after Vilma).

 

You're on crack if you think just any coach would have had this defense finish in the top 10, let alone #1 in the NFL, particularly once Jenkins was lost.  

 

Just like you're on crack if you think anyone believes you've lost your passion for the team.  You love them.  People who don't simply don't care enough to write as much as you do.

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Last year, when absolutely no one but a few basketball "writers" (aka to Jets/Rex fans as "everyone") were predicting the Jets to win 2 games, I boldly went against the Stephen A. grain and called for a 7-9 season, citing the fact that the Jets would do just enough on defense to make it interesting (and by "interesting," I meant "just good enough to ruin a draft slot"). In sum, I was closer than "everyone."

Without further ado, here is my 2014-2015 season prediction:

Oakland Raiders @ Jets

Result: Jets 27, Raiders 9

The Raiders have historically given the Jets major problems, but this Oakland team is straight trash. Matt Schaub has all the intestinal fortitude of a fainting goat, and Derek Carr won't be ready to compete against an NFL defense like the one Rex will have prepared for this opener. Geno Smith will only throw the ball 17 times, but Chris Johnson and Chris Ivory will combine for 150 yards on the ground. Quentin Coples will have 2 sacks (one coming when Schaub collapses at his feet on a third-and-20 situation). Calvin Pryor will get flagged for his first helmet-to-helmet penalty when he hits James Jones in the lower abdomen too hard in the first quarter.

Jets @ Green Bay Packers

Result: Packers 21, Jets 17

In what will be a pretty sloppy offensive game for both teams, Aaron Rodgers will do just enough to get the Packers a W. Geno Smith will throw a TD pass to Eric Decker in the fourth quarter to get it close, but it won't be enough to overcome his two earlier INT's. Jordy Nelson rolls the Jets corners for 9 catches on the day, and Clay Matthews runs around Breno Giacomini all day long. On the plus side, the front seven pushes around the Packers OL enough to keep Rodgers from getting comfortable.

Chicago Bears @ Jets

(Monday night)

Result: Bears 42, Jets 16

This will be a wheels-fall-off type game similar to the beatdown the Jets received at the hands of the Bengals last season. The Bears have too much size at wideout, and Jay Cutler is too oblivious to get rattled by Rex's defense. On offense, the Jets respond to Geno's "slow start to the season" by floating the possibility of Vick starting at some point ("Boyitellya, he's raring to go"--anonymous quote), which results in nine million QB CIRCUS! storylines in the papers, which then results in an untenable environment for any young QB. Marty Mornhinweg spends the week deflecting Vick questions, up until the third quarter rolls around and Vick takes the field.

Detroit Lions @ Jets

Result: Jets 34, Lions 21

The Rex Jets respond well to public humiliation and short rest, both of which they'll have for this matchup. Matt Stafford is just too dumb to win this game. Geno bounces back, throwing 2 TDs and rushing for 1. Calvin Pryor gets another flag for spearing Reggie Bush, and combines with Dee Milliner to give up a ridiculously easy-looking TD to Megatron. Another good day on the ground for Ivory and Chris Johnson, even though Chris Johnson develops a limp around this point in the season.

Jets @ San Diego Chargers

Result: Chargers 23, Jets 14

The Jets will scrap, but Chris Johnson will miss this game with a hamstring. This will be the first week that we see packages installed for Mike Vick, because that always works. The Chargers hate playing the Jets, but Mike McCoy is slowly filtering the hillbilliness out of Phillip Rivers' game, which should be enough to knock the Jets down here.

Denver Broncos @ New York Jets

Result: Jets 35, Broncos 27

This will be the annual The Game The Jets Shouldn't Win But Do Anyway Game. Geno plays well, Ivory and Powell keep the chains moving, and Peyton Manning gets drilled three times in the first quarter, inciting a billion ESPN mock-debates on the humanity of letting Peyton Manning take the field at his advanced age.

Jets @ New England Patriots

(Thursday night)

Result: Patriots 24, Jets 21

The Jets keep it close, but Mike Vick (in the WildVick package) fumbles late, leading to a Pats field goal that wins the game.

Buffalo Bills @ Jets

Result: Jets 19, Bills 3

Another ugly game, but the Jets bounce back by beating on EJ Manuel. This is a Bills-Jets game, meaning that everyone who watches it comes away from it really depressed, regardless of the outcome.

Jets @ Kansas City Chiefs

Result: Chiefs 36, Jets 3

The Revenge of Bob Sutton Game. Geno, in Arrowhead, trying to complete passes against that Chiefs defense, will look like trash. Alex Smith doesn't turn it over, but the Jets will, leading to an ugly result.

Pittsburgh Steelers @ Jets

Result: Jets 14, Steelers 10

In a game reminiscent of the 1936 Chicago Cardinals v Des Moines Pioneers title match, the Jets nip Ben Roethlisberger on a Jalen Saunders 73-yard punt return. Calvin Pryor and Troy Polamalu both get flagged for defenseless receiver penalizes, leading to a lengthy, entirely fictional explanation of what a "defenseless receiver" is from Boomer Esiason.

BYE WEEK

The Jets will be 5-5 going into the last six games, setting up yet another Save Rex's Job motif around Florham Park. This is your life now, Jets fans. Forever. Learn to embrace it.

Key stats at this point in the season:

Geno Smith--61% passing, 14 TDs, 8 INTs, 4 rushing TDs

Mike Vick--61% passing, 3 TDs, 2 INTs, 2 fumbles.

Chris Johnson--156 carries, 4.2 ypc, 4 TDs

Jace Amaro-- 24 catches, 3 TDs

Eric Decker--44 catches, 580 yards, 4 TDs

Jessie James--Two appearances on The View to discuss dog adoption; drops one track that, when remixed, sounds like a Taylor Swift B-side and thus reaches #86 on Billboard's Hot 100.

Rushing Defense: Ranked #4!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jets @ Buffalo Bills

Result: Bills 24, Jets 13

The Rex Ryan Jets are miserable off of Bye Weeks and Dave and Busters proves to be too enticing yet again.

Jets @ Miami Dolphins

(Monday Night)

Result: Dolphins 35, Jets 32

A Jets-Dolphins game on Monday Night promises to be wild, and Ryan Tannehill actually performs pretty well against the Jets. This will be a fun one that I think goes to the home team on some flukey BS that sticks in your brain for decades.

Jets @ Minnesota Vikings

Result: Vikings 24, Jets 21

Bridgewater vs. Geno will be a great matchup for any and all self-flagellating Jets fans. The Jets passed on Bridgewater as a sign of confidence in Geno, but if Norv Turner can get Bridgewater to simply not suck as a rookie, there will be much hand-wringing for everyone involved in that decision. The Vikings could be a surprise team in the mold of the 09-10 Jets: they have the brash Head coach with the defensive background, the young QB, and a dominant running game. The Jets--flying into Minnesota for a 1 am start on a short week could be in for a beatdown. Getcha cat o' nine tails ready.

Jets @ Tennessee Titans

Result: Jets 24, Titans 10

In one of the more stunning losses of the Jets 2013 season, they got their asses handed to them by Jake Locker and the Tennessee Titans. Though most of that blame fell squarely on a miserable performance by Geno, it still marked the first time in Locker's life where he looked like an NFL QB. I don't think it happens twice.

New England Patriots @ Jets

Result: Jets 19, Pats 17

This will forever become known as The Game That Determines Whether Rex Stays Or Goes, aka The Mehta Poll Game, aka The Game During Which Darrell Bevell Either Updated His Resume Or Deleted It Altogether aka The One Jets Game JiF Actually Watches This Year. The Jets, sitting at 6-8, need this game to save Rex. If they win it, he's here for eternal life. I'd he loses it, he's gone. Bill Belichick, looking at the Big Picture, starts Jimmy Garopollo, allowing Rex to remain as head coach in perpetuity.

[u[Miami Dolphins @ Jets

Result: Dolphins 44, Jets 3

The result doesn't matter because the three things Woody Johnson covets most have been attained: 1. A Manish Mehta Twitter poll will draw 100k respondents, 2. He'll have gotten to refer to Bob Kraft as "Bobby" the week prior, and 3. He'll get some Gatorade spilled on his Armani shoes after announcing Rex is returning.

Final tally: The Jets go 7-9, but it was a gritty 7-9 and Pete Carroll went 7-9 once.

 

No way we beat Pissburgh.

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You're on crack if you think just any coach would have had this defense finish in the top 10, let alone #1 in the NFL, particularly once Jenkins was lost.

It was the greatest magic trick Tom had ever seen in the history of coaching back in 2009.

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Last year, when absolutely no one but a few basketball "writers" (aka to Jets/Rex fans as "everyone") were predicting the Jets to win 2 games, I boldly went against the Stephen A. grain and called for a 7-9 season, citing the fact that the Jets would do just enough on defense to make it interesting (and by "interesting," I meant "just good enough to ruin a draft slot"). In sum, I was closer than "everyone."

Without further ado, here is my 2014-2015 season prediction:

Oakland Raiders @ Jets

Result: Jets 27, Raiders 9

The Raiders have historically given the Jets major problems, but this Oakland team is straight trash. Matt Schaub has all the intestinal fortitude of a fainting goat, and Derek Carr won't be ready to compete against an NFL defense like the one Rex will have prepared for this opener. Geno Smith will only throw the ball 17 times, but Chris Johnson and Chris Ivory will combine for 150 yards on the ground. Quentin Coples will have 2 sacks (one coming when Schaub collapses at his feet on a third-and-20 situation). Calvin Pryor will get flagged for his first helmet-to-helmet penalty when he hits James Jones in the lower abdomen too hard in the first quarter.

Jets @ Green Bay Packers

Result: Packers 21, Jets 17

In what will be a pretty sloppy offensive game for both teams, Aaron Rodgers will do just enough to get the Packers a W. Geno Smith will throw a TD pass to Eric Decker in the fourth quarter to get it close, but it won't be enough to overcome his two earlier INT's. Jordy Nelson rolls the Jets corners for 9 catches on the day, and Clay Matthews runs around Breno Giacomini all day long. On the plus side, the front seven pushes around the Packers OL enough to keep Rodgers from getting comfortable.

Chicago Bears @ Jets

(Monday night)

Result: Bears 42, Jets 16

This will be a wheels-fall-off type game similar to the beatdown the Jets received at the hands of the Bengals last season. The Bears have too much size at wideout, and Jay Cutler is too oblivious to get rattled by Rex's defense. On offense, the Jets respond to Geno's "slow start to the season" by floating the possibility of Vick starting at some point ("Boyitellya, he's raring to go"--anonymous quote), which results in nine million QB CIRCUS! storylines in the papers, which then results in an untenable environment for any young QB. Marty Mornhinweg spends the week deflecting Vick questions, up until the third quarter rolls around and Vick takes the field.

Detroit Lions @ Jets

Result: Jets 34, Lions 21

The Rex Jets respond well to public humiliation and short rest, both of which they'll have for this matchup. Matt Stafford is just too dumb to win this game. Geno bounces back, throwing 2 TDs and rushing for 1. Calvin Pryor gets another flag for spearing Reggie Bush, and combines with Dee Milliner to give up a ridiculously easy-looking TD to Megatron. Another good day on the ground for Ivory and Chris Johnson, even though Chris Johnson develops a limp around this point in the season.

Jets @ San Diego Chargers

Result: Chargers 23, Jets 14

The Jets will scrap, but Chris Johnson will miss this game with a hamstring. This will be the first week that we see packages installed for Mike Vick, because that always works. The Chargers hate playing the Jets, but Mike McCoy is slowly filtering the hillbilliness out of Phillip Rivers' game, which should be enough to knock the Jets down here.

Denver Broncos @ New York Jets

Result: Jets 35, Broncos 27

This will be the annual The Game The Jets Shouldn't Win But Do Anyway Game. Geno plays well, Ivory and Powell keep the chains moving, and Peyton Manning gets drilled three times in the first quarter, inciting a billion ESPN mock-debates on the humanity of letting Peyton Manning take the field at his advanced age.

Jets @ New England Patriots

(Thursday night)

Result: Patriots 24, Jets 21

The Jets keep it close, but Mike Vick (in the WildVick package) fumbles late, leading to a Pats field goal that wins the game.

Buffalo Bills @ Jets

Result: Jets 19, Bills 3

Another ugly game, but the Jets bounce back by beating on EJ Manuel. This is a Bills-Jets game, meaning that everyone who watches it comes away from it really depressed, regardless of the outcome.

Jets @ Kansas City Chiefs

Result: Chiefs 36, Jets 3

The Revenge of Bob Sutton Game. Geno, in Arrowhead, trying to complete passes against that Chiefs defense, will look like trash. Alex Smith doesn't turn it over, but the Jets will, leading to an ugly result.

Pittsburgh Steelers @ Jets

Result: Jets 14, Steelers 10

In a game reminiscent of the 1936 Chicago Cardinals v Des Moines Pioneers title match, the Jets nip Ben Roethlisberger on a Jalen Saunders 73-yard punt return. Calvin Pryor and Troy Polamalu both get flagged for defenseless receiver penalizes, leading to a lengthy, entirely fictional explanation of what a "defenseless receiver" is from Boomer Esiason.

BYE WEEK

The Jets will be 5-5 going into the last six games, setting up yet another Save Rex's Job motif around Florham Park. This is your life now, Jets fans. Forever. Learn to embrace it.

Key stats at this point in the season:

Geno Smith--61% passing, 14 TDs, 8 INTs, 4 rushing TDs

Mike Vick--61% passing, 3 TDs, 2 INTs, 2 fumbles.

Chris Johnson--156 carries, 4.2 ypc, 4 TDs

Jace Amaro-- 24 catches, 3 TDs

Eric Decker--44 catches, 580 yards, 4 TDs

Jessie James--Two appearances on The View to discuss dog adoption; drops one track that, when remixed, sounds like a Taylor Swift B-side and thus reaches #86 on Billboard's Hot 100.

Rushing Defense: Ranked #4!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jets @ Buffalo Bills

Result: Bills 24, Jets 13

The Rex Ryan Jets are miserable off of Bye Weeks and Dave and Busters proves to be too enticing yet again.

Jets @ Miami Dolphins

(Monday Night)

Result: Dolphins 35, Jets 32

A Jets-Dolphins game on Monday Night promises to be wild, and Ryan Tannehill actually performs pretty well against the Jets. This will be a fun one that I think goes to the home team on some flukey BS that sticks in your brain for decades.

Jets @ Minnesota Vikings

Result: Vikings 24, Jets 21

Bridgewater vs. Geno will be a great matchup for any and all self-flagellating Jets fans. The Jets passed on Bridgewater as a sign of confidence in Geno, but if Norv Turner can get Bridgewater to simply not suck as a rookie, there will be much hand-wringing for everyone involved in that decision. The Vikings could be a surprise team in the mold of the 09-10 Jets: they have the brash Head coach with the defensive background, the young QB, and a dominant running game. The Jets--flying into Minnesota for a 1 am start on a short week could be in for a beatdown. Getcha cat o' nine tails ready.

Jets @ Tennessee Titans

Result: Jets 24, Titans 10

In one of the more stunning losses of the Jets 2013 season, they got their asses handed to them by Jake Locker and the Tennessee Titans. Though most of that blame fell squarely on a miserable performance by Geno, it still marked the first time in Locker's life where he looked like an NFL QB. I don't think it happens twice.

New England Patriots @ Jets

Result: Jets 19, Pats 17

This will forever become known as The Game That Determines Whether Rex Stays Or Goes, aka The Mehta Poll Game, aka The Game During Which Darrell Bevell Either Updated His Resume Or Deleted It Altogether aka The One Jets Game JiF Actually Watches This Year. The Jets, sitting at 6-8, need this game to save Rex. If they win it, he's here for eternal life. I'd he loses it, he's gone. Bill Belichick, looking at the Big Picture, starts Jimmy Garopollo, allowing Rex to remain as head coach in perpetuity.

[u[Miami Dolphins @ Jets

Result: Dolphins 44, Jets 3

The result doesn't matter because the three things Woody Johnson covets most have been attained: 1. A Manish Mehta Twitter poll will draw 100k respondents, 2. He'll have gotten to refer to Bob Kraft as "Bobby" the week prior, and 3. He'll get some Gatorade spilled on his Armani shoes after announcing Rex is returning.

Final tally: The Jets go 7-9, but it was a gritty 7-9 and Pete Carroll went 7-9 once.

 

can you necro that thread so i can get a chuckle?

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Whatever.  We clearly had the best defensive talent in the NFL when we had the #1 defense.  Right.  Especially when we lost the player everyone agreed was the cog that held the whole D in place (Jenkins).  Now that we know that (unlike his predecessor) Ryan could get the D playing at an elite level without Jenkins, it's assumed that he was never that important.  

 

Yeah, top talent, like Sione Pouha and Mike DeVito and Vernon Gholston (who started 1/4 of the season due to Pace's suspension, in case you forgot), and an almost out of the league Marques Douglas.  Like the entire NFL was banging down Tannenbaum's door to offer him first rounders for each.  Or a pair of massively overpaid OLBers who could hardly get to the passer outside of coverage sacks.  And Ellis was still decent but a shell of what he once was.  Sure we had Revis, but he's one corner.  We also had a pretty average safety in Jim Leonhard, an ill fit at the other safety position in Rhodes, a way-past-expiration Lito Sheppard, an always-hurt Donald Strickland, and the great Dwight Lowery.  Revis covers one guy, not five.  To say nothing of an offense that couldn't stay on the field and kept forcing the D back out there.  Scott had 1 great season here, but he wasn't a great player.  And Harris is just about the most overrated ILB in the NFL in the past decade (right after Vilma).

 

You're on crack if you think just any coach would have had this defense finish in the top 10, let alone #1 in the NFL, particularly once Jenkins was lost.  

 

Just like you're on crack if you think anyone believes you've lost your passion for the team.  You love them.  People who don't simply don't care enough to write as much as you do.

 

I will admit in 09 he did a fantastic job, he was ahead of the whole league with his blitzing schemes. But in 10 and beyond, the league caught up to his blitzing and he has been only as good as his talent, no better at all.

 

I think you are way over estimating him as a defensive guy past 09.

 

I have been bleeding green for almost 40 years. I have not lost my passion for the Jets, but this current team and regime has be disgusted. I honestly don't care nearly as much that the season is coming up, nor do I care much if they go 4-12, in fact, it is preferable if it leads to cleaning house and once and for all getting some good football people in here. But it won't happen, we will go 7-9 to 9-7, and that will be the case for the next 5 years. I am tired of it, I had much more tolerance for mediocrity when I was younger, in fact, what I watched I would have preferred mediociryt in most seasons. Now I am beyond that, and out of patience. I have put too much into this franchise for the sh*t that have slapped in our faces for that time period.

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BYE WEEK

The Jets will be 5-5 going into the last six games, setting up yet another Save Rex's Job motif around Florham Park. This is your life now, Jets fans. Forever. Learn to embrace it.

Key stats at this point in the season:

Geno Smith--61% passing, 14 TDs, 8 INTs, 4 rushing TDs

 

If Geno has those stats at the Bye, I think 1) we are better than 5-5 and 2) Flying pigs will be spotted everywhere.

 

Translation:  It would be fantastic but entirely improbable.

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I will admit in 09 he did a fantastic job, he was ahead of the whole league with his blitzing schemes. But in 10 and beyond, the league caught up to his blitzing and he has been only as good as his talent, no better at all.

I think you are way over estimating him as a defensive guy past 09.

I have been bleeding green for almost 40 years. I have not lost my passion for the Jets, but this current team and regime has be disgusted. I honestly don't care nearly as much that the season is coming up, nor do I care much if they go 4-12, in fact, it is preferable if it leads to cleaning house and once and for all getting some good football people in here. But it won't happen, we will go 7-9 to 9-7, and that will be the case for the next 5 years. I am tired of it, I had much more tolerance for mediocrity when I was younger, in fact, what I watched I would have preferred mediociryt in most seasons. Now I am beyond that, and out of patience. I have put too much into this franchise for the sh*t that have slapped in our faces for that time period.

So you haven't lost your passion? Lulz

And how can you be disgusted by this "regime" when all you've seen is 1 season where they overachieved big time with a gutted roster.

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I will admit in 09 he did a fantastic job, he was ahead of the whole league with his blitzing schemes. But in 10 and beyond, the league caught up to his blitzing and he has been only as good as his talent, no better at all.

 

 

the cheeseburger blitz is from 1968

 

stop it with the "league caught up with him" crap

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Well Tom has spoken= how am i not surprised he thinks a Rex coached team will flounder. I have my doubts mainly on can our QB play and offensive line improve enough to make a respectable offense.

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the cheeseburger blitz is from 1968

 

stop it with the "league caught up with him" crap

 

oh, its that simple huh, just the old cheeseburger blitz? Thanks for filling me in.

 

Comical, really comical the nonsense the rexcusers come up with. The blitz worked in 2009, they got to the QB and were very disruptive, it did not work in 2010, teams new which gaps to fill, whether you want to admit it or not, its the truth.

 

It actually worked out for Rex however, since after the drubbing we took in NE, where the blitz was picked up basically every time, in the playoff game they were expecting the blitz as well, and were not prepared for the read and react that Rex played in the game.

 

His defense has not been nearly what it was in 2009, and there have been a lot of high draft picks infused into that defense since then.

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So you haven't lost your passion? Lulz

And how can you be disgusted by this "regime" when all you've seen is 1 season where they overachieved big time with a gutted roster.

 

Im disgusted by a lot. By the fact that our moron owner insisted on hiring only a GM who agreed to keep the coach, rather than let the GM do what he felt was best, thereby reducing the talent pool of GM's.

 

Im disgusted by the relaxed approach that this regime takes towards the QB position.

 

Im sick of taking DB's in the first round of the draft, particularly a safety who hits, when hitting is basically outlawed in the NFL today.

 

Im sick of a HC who is a perpetual 8-8 HC who took a young 9-7 team and run it into the ground trying to build the 85 Bears, who has no clue about how to win in the NFL today, has lost the locker room twice, proven to have terrible leadership ability.

 

Im sick of my fellow fans who somehow despite all evidence, go out of their way to defend the dopey HC because he reminds them of someone they tailgate with on Sundays.

 

I want a team that can compete for a home playoff game, that is the type of team that wins championships.

 

Last year was a complete and utter fluke. Our point differential was that of a 5-11 team or even a 4-12 team, we had an incredibly soft schedule, and had two very fortunate last second wins in games we were left for dead in. And our defensive line alone was enough to keep us in every game, it was that good, and had nothing to do with Rex.

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I will admit in 09 he did a fantastic job, he was ahead of the whole league with his blitzing schemes. But in 10 and beyond, the league caught up to his blitzing and he has been only as good as his talent, no better at all.

 

I think you are way over estimating him as a defensive guy past 09.

 

I have been bleeding green for almost 40 years. I have not lost my passion for the Jets, but this current team and regime has be disgusted. I honestly don't care nearly as much that the season is coming up, nor do I care much if they go 4-12, in fact, it is preferable if it leads to cleaning house and once and for all getting some good football people in here. But it won't happen, we will go 7-9 to 9-7, and that will be the case for the next 5 years. I am tired of it, I had much more tolerance for mediocrity when I was younger, in fact, what I watched I would have preferred mediociryt in most seasons. Now I am beyond that, and out of patience. I have put too much into this franchise for the sh*t that have slapped in our faces for that time period.

 

From your posts, it seems I'm older than you are.  You're merely going about it wrong, and someone who's allegedly 40 years old ought to know better.  You're not enjoying it like you should.  It's entertainment, not real life.  

 

You're also weighing how the defense performed and are ignoring the massive pressure put onto them by trotting out there so quickly so often.  It's a rare defense that can finish at or near the top with a turnover machine at QB.

 

This past year was just a disaster for a variety of reasons, the chief one being it was prior to a rebuild phase of a gut+rebuild process.  

 

- Based on the draft - nabbing Richardson at #13 overall in particular - Coples was moved to OLB (even though he wasn't a pure OLB anyway).  He was too heavy because he wasn't given ample time to properly condition himself down (like he had this year).  And then to compound matters, he broke his leg.  Still, the year in & out of the position all year, in what was clearly a throwaway season in the spring, means this season he ought to be better.

- Davis is developing well. That's never a sure thing. Except when the Jets develop someone; then it was going to happen no matter who he played for.  This is among the silly arguments.

- Harris is still a sloth with a head for the game but a body that can't keep up. I can't figure how this guy once ran a 4.5 forty.

- The defensive backfield was a train wreck.  The only 2 starter-worthy talents at corner were both hurt, and one of them was a rookie who missed significant time in the off-season (and the regular season) to boot. Allen is/was still developing, and I take for granted that 7th round picks tend to develop more slowly than higher ones. That he's developing at all is an accomplishment, statistically speaking. Lowery used to at least be a decent starter but he's not starter level anymore (and was only marginally so last season).

- Freaking Calvin Pace had 10 sacks. The one guy they brought in to rush the passer was on IR before the season got underway.  Who no one wanted as their starter.  I would classify this as someone playing above his talent level.

- We had a top-notch DL, and a couple of decent but not great LBers, and not a whole lot else.  Some here mock the high-ranked rush D.  I'd say the opposite.  At least the D did that, and given the lack of points a Smith-led offense was scoring, teams were far more likely to run than pass against the Jets (relative to the league mean).  And the numbers add up to that.  22nd-most pass attempts against (22nd-most yards-against) + 9th most rush attempts against (3rd-most yards-against).  Overall #19 in PA and #11 in YA.  All things considered, I don't think that was performing below the talent level.  Had Milliner and Cromartie been healthy most or all of the season, and we finished that low, then I'd say he did a piss poor job of it.  But I sense even you'd agree that in that scenario it's unlikely our pass D finishing ranked #22.

 

Besides, I'm not the one throwing around words like "genius" to describe him (and still don't).  The defensive players he coached are the ones who say that.  And opposing coaches with good offenses clearly take note of when they play the Jets and do consider it an accomplishment when we don't stop them.  It happens to everyone, but it's when the Jets are the opponent that Belichick tells his QB & receivers, after the game and on camera, that they just accomplished something noteworthy. 

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Im disgusted by a lot. By the fact that our moron owner insisted on hiring only a GM who agreed to keep the coach, rather than let the GM do what he felt was best, thereby reducing the talent pool of GM's.

Im disgusted by the relaxed approach that this regime takes towards the QB position.

Im sick of taking DB's in the first round of the draft, particularly a safety who hits, when hitting is basically outlawed in the NFL today.

Im sick of a HC who is a perpetual 8-8 HC who took a young 9-7 team and run it into the ground trying to build the 85 Bears, who has no clue about how to win in the NFL today, has lost the locker room twice, proven to have terrible leadership ability.

Im sick of my fellow fans who somehow despite all evidence, go out of their way to defend the dopey HC because he reminds them of someone they tailgate with on Sundays.

I want a team that can compete for a home playoff game, that is the type of team that wins championships.

Last year was a complete and utter fluke. Our point differential was that of a 5-11 team or even a 4-12 team, we had an incredibly soft schedule, and had two very fortunate last second wins in games we were left for dead in. And our defensive line alone was enough to keep us in every game, it was that good, and had nothing to do with Rex.

You realize this is a game you have no control over? Me thinks you need more hobbies.

And none of that is accurate either.

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Im disgusted by a lot. By the fact that our moron owner insisted on hiring only a GM who agreed to keep the coach, rather than let the GM do what he felt was best, thereby reducing the talent pool of GM's.

 

Im disgusted by the relaxed approach that this regime takes towards the QB position.

 

Im sick of taking DB's in the first round of the draft, particularly a safety who hits, when hitting is basically outlawed in the NFL today.

 

Im sick of a HC who is a perpetual 8-8 HC who took a young 9-7 team and run it into the ground trying to build the 85 Bears, who has no clue about how to win in the NFL today, has lost the locker room twice, proven to have terrible leadership ability.

 

Im sick of my fellow fans who somehow despite all evidence, go out of their way to defend the dopey HC because he reminds them of someone they tailgate with on Sundays.

 

I want a team that can compete for a home playoff game, that is the type of team that wins championships.

 

Last year was a complete and utter fluke. Our point differential was that of a 5-11 team or even a 4-12 team, we had an incredibly soft schedule, and had two very fortunate last second wins in games we were left for dead in. And our defensive line alone was enough to keep us in every game, it was that good, and had nothing to do with Rex.

 

Do you know what either "perpetual" or "young" mean?  Because neither of those things are close to being accurate.

 

I'm not even attempting to defend Rex here, you can feel free to carry on with your hating on him in every single post you make on this board if you like.  Hell, there's plenty of legitimate reasons to hate on Rex, I don't deny that for a second.  I just don't get some folks' penchant for counting on ones which, you know... aren't real.

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Im disgusted by a lot. By the fact that our moron owner insisted on hiring only a GM who agreed to keep the coach, rather than let the GM do what he felt was best, thereby reducing the talent pool of GM's.

 

Im disgusted by the relaxed approach that this regime takes towards the QB position.

 

Im sick of taking DB's in the first round of the draft, particularly a safety who hits, when hitting is basically outlawed in the NFL today.

 

Im sick of a HC who is a perpetual 8-8 HC who took a young 9-7 team and run it into the ground trying to build the 85 Bears, who has no clue about how to win in the NFL today, has lost the locker room twice, proven to have terrible leadership ability.

 

Im sick of my fellow fans who somehow despite all evidence, go out of their way to defend the dopey HC because he reminds them of someone they tailgate with on Sundays.

 

I want a team that can compete for a home playoff game, that is the type of team that wins championships.

 

Last year was a complete and utter fluke. Our point differential was that of a 5-11 team or even a 4-12 team, we had an incredibly soft schedule, and had two very fortunate last second wins in games we were left for dead in. And our defensive line alone was enough to keep us in every game, it was that good, and had nothing to do with Rex.

 

It's a simplistic view of things IMO.  The "relaxed approach" to the QB position is quite a bit more.  This is the sequence of events, regarding the QB position, as I saw them.

 

The incumbent HOF/Pro Bowl QB retires.  The team has nobody now, and Tannenbaum isn't waiting for Favre to un-retire once OTAs and half of camp is over (which is what he's done for years, as Favre feels it's beneath him and would serve little purpose other than maybe getting him injured).  

 

A GM wants to trade up into the top 5 and guarantee $20M to a QB.  The HC he hired says, "OK sounds good." Then Favre is cut.  He goes on to have a career year for Minnesota and they nearly go to the SB.  The Jets team, despite the handicap of the guy they tied themselves to for at least 2 years, goes to the championship game 2 years in a row.  The sparks that Sanchez showed were mistakenly thought to be just that. What he was showing IMO was his ceiling, as well as being the beneficiary of defenders dropping what should have been another 20 routine picks just over those first couple of seasons alone.  Not to mention a ground attack, stingy defense, and dominant OL that took all possible pressure off him during these years.

 

If you think any anointed-genius head coaches would have benched their bosses' pride and joy in 2011, you're really deluding yourself.  And when I say his bosses, I don't merely mean Tannenbaum but Johnson as well.  Sanchez was a high-profile QB and that's exactly what Johnson wanted.  He's on billboards.  He's on TV.  He's all over the place and that's how Woody Johnson wanted it.  To compound matters, there wasn't another NFL-quality QB on the roster to replace him with anyway (Clemens and then Mark Brunell, because Drew Brees once said Brunell really helped him or something).  The team was headed for a 3rd straight playoff spot until Sanchez melted down even worse than usual. 

 

I'm quite sure Ryan felt Sanchez was better than he actually was.  He's hardly the first good HC to err in this regard, and he won't be the last.  For example, but for Bill Belichick pushing for Testaverde, Bill Parcells was ready and willing to tie the entire fate of the 1998 Jets to Glenn Foley.  Hell, even Sanchez was better than Foley, and it's an understatement to say I have had a low opinion of Sanchez.

 

Then in March of 2012 the GM - with the HC's blessing (which he was going to give no matter what his boss wanted) - goes after Peyton Manning as a replacement for Sanchez.  Manning wants nothing to do with New York.  Despite the foil hat beliefs, the obvious reasons are two-fold: his brother plays for the other NY team, and the last thing he needs or craves in his life are NY sports media vultures led by the likes of Rich Cimini and Manish Mehta.  The spotlight comes to Peyton Manning, not the other way around.  He turns us down without meeting with us, since he knows he can go anywhere and doesn't have to deal with any of that nonsense.

Then the crucial mistake happens.  Even though we didn't officially meet with Manning, word got out that we showed interest.  Showing interest in Manning means showing interest in dumping Sanchez if we were able to land him.  This was not lost on Sanchez, who's an immature mope as it is.  To make up for it, Tannenbaum guarantees Sanchez 2 more years at starter money with 3 more fluff years on the tail end of it should he turn himself around.  It's dressed up as clearing cap room and getting him for cheap (compared to what he'd cost after turning his career around).  But competition is brought in for Sanchez:  Tim Tebow.  Then the team (Johnson/Tannenbaum) hold press conferences for their backup QB, and announce him as the team's #2 QB before he's even in NY.  Tannenbaum then trades away the guy originally brought in to "compete" with Sanchez.  The 2012 and 2013 Jets are doomed.  It's only made worse by Holmes busting his foot and Tannenbaum trading up for a total project WR (and compiling a roster so top-heavy and thin that it pretty much dictates Stephen Hill will be starting way before he's ready).  This marks the first time Ryan finally outs his GM as doing something he felt was stupid (though he put it more nicely than that, saying that's "not what [he] would have done" or something).  

 

What happens? Hill performs as anyone should have expected, Holmes gets a million Jets fans to learn what a Lisfranc injury is, Keller spends the year mostly injured, and Sanchez fully melts down to a blob of jell-o.  The team manages to eke out 6 wins anyway.

Next season there's not a lot to choose from at QB.  As Tannenbaum left the team pretty cash-strapped, we're clearly not competing for a title in 2013 unless Green Bay decides to trade us Aaron Rodgers and Jordy Nelson for Mark Sanchez and Stephen Hill.  David Garrard is the cheap veteran brought in, since the GM is clearly looking to save his cap space for 2014 and beyond, rather than sink millions more on someone else (not that there was much to choose from anyway).  In the draft, we take the guy most had as the best QB of the class, who many had going in the top 10 (if not #1 overall), whatever anyone's opinion is of him today.  Garrard clearly looks like he's going to win the job over Sanchez and Smith, and then retires when he gets too many bruises just from OTAs.  Now there's no one else to pick up.  They hold a competition that Idzik clearly wants Smith to win (and/or wants Sanchez to lose). Rex famously put Sanchez in during that pre-season game, which, for all the Snoopy Trophy comments, I still think was mostly to give Sanchez an opportunity to nail the starter job once and for all after a dreadful game from Smith.  Sanchez gets injured, and the Mark Sanchez era is officially over in New York.  Sanchez goes off on Idzik, not Rex, because he feels the competition should have been over, and would have been if not for Idzik sticking his nose in.  Despite the good long-term outcome for the Jets (Sanchez out and Smith gets experience), unfortunately, that left Smith and Matt Simms as the only QBs left.

Smith sucks as a rookie, but over the last month in particular he shows a glimmer of what people thought he might be.  They still bring in the top free agent QB available anyway.  They pass on drafting a QB for the first 5 rounds, but that's Idzik's domain and decision, and this has been made very obvious who don't have their hats made out of Reynolds Wrap.  Rex is given his one pick to make on his own, and he takes a QB with a similar skill set to Geno Smith.  He'll probably suck also, but if both he and Smith pan out, they don't need to change the whole offense around should Smith get injured in future years.

 

I would classify this as an accurate description to date of the QB situation during the Ryan years.

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Do you know what either "perpetual" or "young" mean?  Because neither of those things are close to being accurate.

 

I'm not even attempting to defend Rex here, you can feel free to carry on with your hating on him in every single post you make on this board if you like.  Hell, there's plenty of legitimate reasons to hate on Rex, I don't deny that for a second.  I just don't get some folks' penchant for counting on ones which, you know... aren't real.

 

We learned in the other thread that perpetual means twice since 1990.

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It's a simplistic view of things IMO.  The "relaxed approach" to the QB position is quite a bit more.  This is the sequence of events, regarding the QB position, as I saw them.

 

The incumbent HOF/Pro Bowl QB retires.  The team has nobody now, and Tannenbaum isn't waiting for Favre to un-retire once OTAs and half of camp is over (which is what he's done for years, as Favre feels it's beneath him and would serve little purpose other than maybe getting him injured).  

 

A GM wants to trade up into the top 5 and guarantee $20M to a QB.  The HC he hired says, "OK sounds good." Then Favre is cut.  He goes on to have a career year for Minnesota and they nearly go to the SB.  The Jets team, despite the handicap of the guy they tied themselves to for at least 2 years, goes to the championship game 2 years in a row.  The sparks that Sanchez showed were mistakenly thought to be just that. What he was showing IMO was his ceiling, as well as being the beneficiary of defenders dropping what should have been another 20 routine picks just over those first couple of seasons alone.  Not to mention a ground attack, stingy defense, and dominant OL that took all possible pressure off him during these years.

 

If you think any anointed-genius head coaches would have benched their bosses' pride and joy in 2011, you're really deluding yourself.  And when I say his bosses, I don't merely mean Tannenbaum but Johnson as well.  Sanchez was a high-profile QB and that's exactly what Johnson wanted.  He's on billboards.  He's on TV.  He's all over the place and that's how Woody Johnson wanted it.  To compound matters, there wasn't another NFL-quality QB on the roster to replace him with anyway (Clemens and then Mark Brunell, because Drew Brees once said Brunell really helped him or something).  The team was headed for a 3rd straight playoff spot until Sanchez melted down even worse than usual. 

 

I'm quite sure Ryan felt Sanchez was better than he actually was.  He's hardly the first good HC to err in this regard, and he won't be the last.  For example, but for Bill Belichick pushing for Testaverde, Bill Parcells was ready and willing to tie the entire fate of the 1998 Jets to Glenn Foley.  Hell, even Sanchez was better than Foley, and it's an understatement to say I have had a low opinion of Sanchez.

 

Then in March of 2012 the GM - with the HC's blessing (which he was going to give no matter what his boss wanted) - goes after Peyton Manning as a replacement for Sanchez.  Manning wants nothing to do with New York.  Despite the foil hat beliefs, the obvious reasons are two-fold: his brother plays for the other NY team, and the last thing he needs or craves in his life are NY sports media vultures led by the likes of Rich Cimini and Manish Mehta.  The spotlight comes to Peyton Manning, not the other way around.  He turns us down without meeting with us, since he knows he can go anywhere and doesn't have to deal with any of that nonsense.

Then the crucial mistake happens.  Even though we didn't officially meet with Manning, word got out that we showed interest.  Showing interest in Manning means showing interest in dumping Sanchez if we were able to land him.  This was not lost on Sanchez, who's an immature mope as it is.  To make up for it, Tannenbaum guarantees Sanchez 2 more years at starter money with 3 more fluff years on the tail end of it should he turn himself around.  It's dressed up as clearing cap room and getting him for cheap (compared to what he'd cost after turning his career around).  But competition is brought in for Sanchez:  Tim Tebow.  Then the team (Johnson/Tannenbaum) hold press conferences for their backup QB, and announce him as the team's #2 QB before he's even in NY.  Tannenbaum then trades away the guy originally brought in to "compete" with Sanchez.  The 2012 and 2013 Jets are doomed.  It's only made worse by Holmes busting his foot and Tannenbaum trading up for a total project WR (and compiling a roster so top-heavy and thin that it pretty much dictates Stephen Hill will be starting way before he's ready).  This marks the first time Ryan finally outs his GM as doing something he felt was stupid (though he put it more nicely than that, saying that's "not what [he] would have done" or something).  

 

What happens? Hill performs as anyone should have expected, Holmes gets a million Jets fans to learn what a Lisfranc injury is, Keller spends the year mostly injured, and Sanchez fully melts down to a blob of jell-o.  The team manages to eke out 6 wins anyway.

Next season there's not a lot to choose from at QB.  As Tannenbaum left the team pretty cash-strapped, we're clearly not competing for a title in 2013 unless Green Bay decides to trade us Aaron Rodgers and Jordy Nelson for Mark Sanchez and Stephen Hill.  David Garrard is the cheap veteran brought in, since the GM is clearly looking to save his cap space for 2014 and beyond, rather than sink millions more on someone else (not that there was much to choose from anyway).  In the draft, we take the guy most had as the best QB of the class, who many had going in the top 10 (if not #1 overall), whatever anyone's opinion is of him today.  Garrard clearly looks like he's going to win the job over Sanchez and Smith, and then retires when he gets too many bruises just from OTAs.  Now there's no one else to pick up.  They hold a competition that Idzik clearly wants Smith to win (and/or wants Sanchez to lose). Rex famously put Sanchez in during that pre-season game, which, for all the Snoopy Trophy comments, I still think was mostly to give Sanchez an opportunity to nail the starter job once and for all after a dreadful game from Smith.  Sanchez gets injured, and the Mark Sanchez era is officially over in New York.  Sanchez goes off on Idzik, not Rex, because he feels the competition should have been over, and would have been if not for Idzik sticking his nose in.  Despite the good long-term outcome for the Jets (Sanchez out and Smith gets experience), unfortunately, that left Smith and Matt Simms as the only QBs left.

Smith sucks as a rookie, but over the last month in particular he shows a glimmer of what people thought he might be.  They still bring in the top free agent QB available anyway.  They pass on drafting a QB for the first 5 rounds, but that's Idzik's domain and decision, and this has been made very obvious who don't have their hats made out of Reynolds Wrap.  Rex is given his one pick to make on his own, and he takes a QB with a similar skill set to Geno Smith.  He'll probably suck also, but if both he and Smith pan out, they don't need to change the whole offense around should Smith get injured in future years.

 

I would classify this as an accurate description to date of the QB situation during the Ryan years.

This is true. It's so depressing it's not funny. As I get into adulthood (30), the concept of 'eternal mediocrity' is really starting to hit.

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