BurnleyJet Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Some Speculation Shaq Evans could land on IR, Providing the Pats don't steal him when he goers through waivers. Seems his shoulder injury is pretty bad? Chris Lopresti @CLoprestiWFAN 2m Rex says Shaq Evans could land on IR with his shoulder injury. Doesn't surprise me at all. #NYJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnleyJet Posted August 5, 2014 Author Share Posted August 5, 2014 Eric Allen @eallenjets Follow Rex Ryan says rookie WR Shaq Evans' shoulder injury looks "severe." Evans could be headed to the IR. - 5 Aug 2014 7 Retweets 2 favorites http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2152913-shaq-evans-injury-updates-on-jets-wrs-shoulder-and-return https://twitter.com/eallenjets?original_referer=http%3A%2F%2Fbleacherreport.com%2Farticles%2F2152913-shaq-evans-injury-updates-on-jets-wrs-shoulder-and-return&tw_i=496704073211871232&tw_p=tweetembed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Bad for him, probably good for us. Nice way to keep a player who isn't likely to contribute this year, but may be able to in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Bad for him, probably good for us. Nice way to keep a player who isn't likely to contribute this year, but may be able to in the future. Like a college redshirt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnleyJet Posted August 5, 2014 Author Share Posted August 5, 2014 Like a college redshirt. I hope so but you know the Pats, and their sneaking waiver rustling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Hundred percent chance he goes to New England and becomes the greatest WR ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Hundred percent chance he goes to New England and becomes the greatest WR ever. When has that ever happened except for that one time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 this is a better alternative than carrying Evans all year over a player who out performed him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 I hope so but you know the Pats, and their sneaking waiver rustling. I think you're confusing IR with the practice squad. If he goes to IR the Pats can't touch him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnleyJet Posted August 5, 2014 Author Share Posted August 5, 2014 When has that ever happened except for that one time? If Billacheat had been the Patriots Head coach in 1985 Joe Theismann would have been a Pat! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 this is a better alternative than carrying Evans all year over a player who out performed him +1 I figured Enunwa for the stash guy, but this works just as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnleyJet Posted August 5, 2014 Author Share Posted August 5, 2014 I think you're confusing IR with the practice squad. If he goes to IR the Pats can't touch him. Nope Unwritten rules? Don't expect the Patriots to care much for them. New England claimed injured Panthers rookie Tyler Gaffney on waivers Monday and released linebacker Josh Hull. Gaffney was placed on waivers by the Panthers after he tore his lateral meniscus on Friday. Carolina's hope was that he would clear waivers, and then land on injured reserve. Players with less the Four years can be claimed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derp Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Roster management. It's a good thing that the Jets don't have to rely on Evans this year. A year ago he would have been thrust into a significant role right away. Now he's not ready, there are some solid veteran receivers on the roster, and he basically redshirts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 I think you're confusing IR with the practice squad. If he goes to IR the Pats can't touch him. That is true if the IR happens in the regular season but before the regular season the team has to "waiver/injury" the player which means he could get scooped. The Browns did this with Michael Bowie of the Seahawks just last week. of course this move assumes that the swooping team is willing to stow a player away for the whole year, which is not that attractive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Nope Unwritten rules? Don't expect the Patriots to care much for them. New England claimed injured Panthers rookie Tyler Gaffney on waivers Monday and released linebacker Josh Hull. Gaffney was placed on waivers by the Panthers after he tore his lateral meniscus on Friday. Carolina's hope was that he would clear waivers, and then land on injured reserve. Players with less the Four years can be claimed. Guess you're right. Would he have to remain on their active roster? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnleyJet Posted August 5, 2014 Author Share Posted August 5, 2014 That is true if the IR happens in the regular season but before the regular season the team has to "waiver/injury" the player which means he could get scooped. The Browns did this with Michael Bowie of the Seahawks just last week. of course this move assumes that the swooping team is willing to stow a player away for the whole year, which is not that attractive. Sorry should have included this "Prior to the first cutdown date, injured players with less than 4 years of service cannot go onto IR until they pass through waivers" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirlancemehlot Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Shaq was under-performing. This is probably a best case scenario for him provided the injury isn't one to hinder him long-term. Also, I doubt the Pats have any interest in him. There will be a bunch of better camp cuts coming in the next four weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Why the paranoia with the Pats taking our roster players? Inquiring minds want to know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Hundred percent chance he goes to New England and becomes the greatest WR ever. To go along with the greatest LB (Hobson) and TE (Baker) who they also stole from us. Sucks that he's hurt. And though it's his first camp - early in his first camp at that, he wasn't exactly making heads turn so far. There was plenty of time left in camp, but he'd given no indication he was going to bump 4 guys behind him based purely on merit. I'll at least say this. If one accepts it as a given that, like every NFL team, we're going to whiff on some picks, then at least we took 12 of them. Even if he didn't get hurt, if he's not ready after a month-plus of camp, it would stink if he was the only WR we had only made the final roster because he just got drafted with a mid-round pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Sorry should have included this "Prior to the first cutdown date, injured players with less than 4 years of service cannot go onto IR until they pass through waivers" In that case, assuming the Jets like him that much as a long-term prospect, couldn't they just wait, hold onto him until after the first cutdown, and then toss him onto IR then? It's one thing to take that kind of gamble with undrafted rookies or bubble guys, but considering Evans was a 4th round pick, I wouldn't be surprised if they felt he was worth spending a camp spot on for a little while to make sure nobody else scoops him up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 In that case, assuming the Jets like him that much as a long-term prospect, couldn't they just wait, hold onto him until after the first cutdown, and then toss him onto IR then? It's one thing to take that kind of gamble with undrafted rookies or bubble guys, but considering Evans was a 4th round pick, I wouldn't be surprised if they felt he was worth spending a camp spot on for a little while to make sure nobody else scoops him up. This is what I expect. Do they really need 90 bodies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Shaq Evans, Jets' rookie receiver, could be out for year with shoulder injury Darryl Slater | The Star-Ledger By Darryl Slater | The Star-Ledger Email the author | Follow on Twitter on August 05, 2014 at 2:37 PM, updated August 05, 2014 at 2:44 PM Rex Ryan: Jets starters to play into second quarter of preseason opener Shaq Evans, Jets' rookie receiver, could be out for year with shoulder injury Calvin Pryor won't play vs. Colts, because Rex Ryan wary of him making 'a poor account for himself' Rex Ryan says Mark Sanchez was first to contact him about son Seth's injury CORTLAND, N.Y. – The Jets have already lost one reserve player to a season-ending injury in this training camp. Strong-side linebacker Jermaine Cunningham tore his Achilles tendon in Saturday night’s intrasquad scrimmage. Now, it appears the Jets could be on the verge of losing another potential backup who, like Cunningham, was going to have to battle just to make the team. Rookie wide receiver Shaq Evans, a fourth-round draft pick out of UCLA, has a shoulder injury that “could be” season ending, said coach Rex Ryan. Placing Evans on injured reserve is a possibility, Ryan acknowledged Tuesday. Evans wore a red (non-contact) jersey during Tuesday’s practice and was “very limited,” Ryan said. Evans first put on a red jersey for Friday’s practice, after Ryan said he woke up that morning and complained of shoulder pain. Since then, he missed the scrimmage and has not done anything of significance in practice. “That shoulder looks pretty bad,” Ryan said. “We’ll see how that goes, but it doesn’t look good right now. We talked to him about it, too. He had the other shoulder (injury) before. But this one seems to be bothering him a lot more. This looks like a severe injury.” Evans, who is 6-1 and 213 pounds, was the fifth overall player the Jets drafted, and the second receiver they picked in the fourth round, behind Oklahoma’s Jalen Saunders. The Jets drafted three receivers, including Nebraska’s Quincy Enunwa in the sixth round. The Jets currently have 12 receivers, so Evans was going to be fighting for a roster spot even if he remained healthy. He had looked so-so in camp before getting hurt. Evans missed rookie minicamp and organized team activities while finishing classes at UCLA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Hundred percent chance he goes to New England and becomes the greatest WR ever. ..and then he kills two people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Guess you're right. Would he have to remain on their active roster? Only until after last cuts, then they can IR him, and he won't have to go thru waivers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 That is true if the IR happens in the regular season but before the regular season the team has to "waiver/injury" the player which means he could get scooped. The Browns did this with Michael Bowie of the Seahawks just last week. of course this move assumes that the swooping team is willing to stow a player away for the whole year, which is not that attractive. Are you sure that's what happened? Seattle was looking to cut (certainly demote) Bowie because he came into camp fat, then they brought in Winston (who showed up in shape), and then Bowie he got hurt, which is why they put him on waiver/injury list. They were cutting him anyway but I think if he's hurt there may be something in place where they can't just use him up until he's hurt enough to go on IR, and then cut him. This is different because the Jets aren't cutting Evans (or haven't yet indicated they want to). Any player who goes on IR in preseason can't just automatically go to anyone. Otherwise there would be a free-for-all with every player who gets a season-ending injury before final cutdowns. I think that waiver/IR designation is a privilege (of sorts) for the team if they want to stash a player to come back during the season. However it isn't required that they do this with every player hurt enough to go on IR, even in preseason. Or that's how it seems. Really, it wouldn't make any sense otherwise, since that would mean every/any player (even a superstar HOF type) who goes on IR in preseason can be scooped up by any other team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Jets fan Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 It does not make any sense at all that a high draft pick that gets hurt in camp can not be put on IR until after cuts or he is subject to waivers. No sense at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 When has that ever happened except for that one time? The Pats seem to have a habit of doing it though. Jake Ballard, the rookie back from Stanford this year already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 The Pats seem to have a habit of doing it though. Jake Ballard, the rookie back from Stanford this year already. Yep. They do love to make d*ck moves like that. http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/extra_points/2014/07/patriots_claim_rb_tyler_gaffney_off_waivers_despit.html Having it pay off is another story though. Ballard is now an Arizona Cardinal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanInDenver Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 +1 I figured Enunwa for the stash guy, but this works just as well. Enunwa was headed to PS before this happened and this Evans injury does not change that. Its more likely good news for Salas/Ford/Gates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanInDenver Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 That is true if the IR happens in the regular season but before the regular season the team has to "waiver/injury" the player which means he could get scooped. The Browns did this with Michael Bowie of the Seahawks just last week. of course this move assumes that the swooping team is willing to stow a player away for the whole year, which is not that attractive. This does not sound right. So if a 1st rounder gets injured in training camp and the team wants to put him on IR he is available to the rest of the league ? I think if you are not cutting a player he is untouchable. Now end of the season when you have to reduce to 53 man roster you have to cut players. So before you bring some of them back on PS they have to go through the waiver wire. That's understandable. But if you are not cutting the player no one gets a whiff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 This does not sound right. So if a 1st rounder gets injured in training camp and the team wants to put him on IR he is available to the rest of the league ? I think if you are not cutting a player he is untouchable. Now end of the season when you have to reduce to 53 man roster you have to cut players. So before you bring some of them back on PS they have to go through the waiver wire. That's understandable. But if you are not cutting the player no one gets a whiff. The Jets haven't had this issue recently because the roster hasn't had much depth and they haven't had many draft picks. But this is to prevent redshirting rookies who aren't really out for the season. I'm not sure what the 6 week IR rules are though. That's a new rule...so if Pace can't play id imagine they'd try to designate him there first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanInDenver Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Sorry should have included this "Prior to the first cutdown date, injured players with less than 4 years of service cannot go onto IR until they pass through waivers" I am not even convinced of this but i am not saying its not true. Maybe teams just wait to the first cutdown date and put the player on PUP or just keep the player on the roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnleyJet Posted August 5, 2014 Author Share Posted August 5, 2014 I am not even convinced of this but i am not saying its not true. Maybe teams just wait to the first cutdown date and put the player on PUP or just keep the player on the roster. Example http://m.espn.go.com/general/story?storyId=11277873&city=boston&src=desktop The New England Patriots have claimed running back Tyler Gaffney on waivers from the Carolina Panthers, ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter reports. Gaffney, a sixth-round draft choice out of Stanford, sustained a season-ending knee injury in a practice Friday. The claiming of Gaffney is similar to what the Patriots did two seasons ago with tight end Jake Ballard, who was waived by the Giants with the intention of placing him on injured reserve that year. But before the Giants could place Ballard on IR, he had to clear waivers, per NFL rules when teams are under the 90-man roster limit, and the Patriots claimed him. "The bottom line is Tyler's injury is a season-ender. It's not a little tear that could be scoped and he'd be back in three weeks," Panthers general manager Dave Gettleman told the Charlotte Observer. "This was a legitimate, season-ending injury. We have Jonathan Stewart, who's not practicing, and we needed the roster spot. Plain and simple. ... This is a very competitive business, and people are going to try to improve their team within the rules. And this is within the rules." The Patriots inherit Gaffney's contract, which runs through 2017 and calls for base salaries of $420,000, $510,000, $600,000 and $690,000. AP Photo/Nell Redmond Rookie RB Tyler Gaffney was claimed on waivers by the Patriots. He will miss the season with a torn lateral meniscus in his left knee. Similar to Ballard, the Patriots are likely to keep Gaffney on their 90-man roster, before moving him to IR when rosters are reduced and a player doesn't have to go through the waiver process. That means the team would pay him $420,000 for 2014 for the chance to work with him in 2015 and beyond. Three of the Patriots' top running backs this year -- Stevan Ridley, Shane Vereen and Brandon Bolden -- enter the final year of their contracts. Gaffney will undergo surgery to repair the torn lateral meniscus in his left knee and will miss the rest of the season. He suffered the injury on his first play of Friday night's practice. Gaffney had 330 carries for 1,709 yards last season at Stanford. In 486 carries in college he never had an injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Example http://m.espn.go.com/general/story?storyId=11277873&city=boston&src=desktop The New England Patriots have claimed running back Tyler Gaffney on waivers from the Carolina Panthers, ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter reports. Gaffney, a sixth-round draft choice out of Stanford, sustained a season-ending knee injury in a practice Friday. The claiming of Gaffney is similar to what the Patriots did two seasons ago with tight end Jake Ballard, who was waived by the Giants with the intention of placing him on injured reserve that year. But before the Giants could place Ballard on IR, he had to clear waivers, per NFL rules when teams are under the 90-man roster limit, and the Patriots claimed him. "The bottom line is Tyler's injury is a season-ender. It's not a little tear that could be scoped and he'd be back in three weeks," Panthers general manager Dave Gettleman told the Charlotte Observer. "This was a legitimate, season-ending injury. We have Jonathan Stewart, who's not practicing, and we needed the roster spot. Plain and simple. ... This is a very competitive business, and people are going to try to improve their team within the rules. And this is within the rules." The Patriots inherit Gaffney's contract, which runs through 2017 and calls for base salaries of $420,000, $510,000, $600,000 and $690,000. AP Photo/Nell Redmond Rookie RB Tyler Gaffney was claimed on waivers by the Patriots. He will miss the season with a torn lateral meniscus in his left knee. Similar to Ballard, the Patriots are likely to keep Gaffney on their 90-man roster, before moving him to IR when rosters are reduced and a player doesn't have to go through the waiver process. That means the team would pay him $420,000 for 2014 for the chance to work with him in 2015 and beyond. Three of the Patriots' top running backs this year -- Stevan Ridley, Shane Vereen and Brandon Bolden -- enter the final year of their contracts. Gaffney will undergo surgery to repair the torn lateral meniscus in his left knee and will miss the rest of the season. He suffered the injury on his first play of Friday night's practice. Gaffney had 330 carries for 1,709 yards last season at Stanford. In 486 carries in college he never had an injury. I wonder if you could monkey with a guy's contract to prevent this? Give him more up front so the Pats would have to pay more for the privilege of poaching. It probably amounts to shooting yourself in the foot, but it is an idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanInDenver Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Example http://m.espn.go.com/general/story?storyId=11277873&city=boston&src=desktop The New England Patriots have claimed running back Tyler Gaffney on waivers from the Carolina Panthers, ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter reports. Gaffney, a sixth-round draft choice out of Stanford, sustained a season-ending knee injury in a practice Friday. The claiming of Gaffney is similar to what the Patriots did two seasons ago with tight end Jake Ballard, who was waived by the Giants with the intention of placing him on injured reserve that year. But before the Giants could place Ballard on IR, he had to clear waivers, per NFL rules when teams are under the 90-man roster limit, and the Patriots claimed him. "The bottom line is Tyler's injury is a season-ender. It's not a little tear that could be scoped and he'd be back in three weeks," Panthers general manager Dave Gettleman told the Charlotte Observer. "This was a legitimate, season-ending injury. We have Jonathan Stewart, who's not practicing, and we needed the roster spot. Plain and simple. ... This is a very competitive business, and people are going to try to improve their team within the rules. And this is within the rules." The Patriots inherit Gaffney's contract, which runs through 2017 and calls for base salaries of $420,000, $510,000, $600,000 and $690,000. AP Photo/Nell Redmond Rookie RB Tyler Gaffney was claimed on waivers by the Patriots. He will miss the season with a torn lateral meniscus in his left knee. Similar to Ballard, the Patriots are likely to keep Gaffney on their 90-man roster, before moving him to IR when rosters are reduced and a player doesn't have to go through the waiver process. That means the team would pay him $420,000 for 2014 for the chance to work with him in 2015 and beyond. Three of the Patriots' top running backs this year -- Stevan Ridley, Shane Vereen and Brandon Bolden -- enter the final year of their contracts. Gaffney will undergo surgery to repair the torn lateral meniscus in his left knee and will miss the rest of the season. He suffered the injury on his first play of Friday night's practice. Gaffney had 330 carries for 1,709 yards last season at Stanford. In 486 carries in college he never had an injury. Key is keep the guys till the rosters are reduced if i am reading that correctly and you are a-ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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