SAGA45x Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 Wsup Jets Fans, Donnie Henderson...I like him as a person, coach and what he's done for that defense the last couple of years. Specifically in terms of the younger players like Vilma, Robertson and Rhodes. Lately, Henderson's name has been in the mix as a head coach candidate pursued by several different teams. What are you guys' thoughts are on Henderson and the prospect of him leaving or even as possibility as the Jets next HC if Edwards departs? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsMan57 Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 Donnie Henderson is a kookoo bird, his defense stunk this year, and too many times this year he was getting outsmarted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 For some reason which I am still trying to figure out we seemed to be more passive on defense this year as opposed to last year with Henderson This year was a step back in his credentials Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BwanaZulia Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 Let him coach the D and make it a great one, so far he has only done so-so. Peter Principal: The theory that employees within an organization will advance to their highest level of competence and then be promoted to and remain at a level at which they are incompetent. BZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAGA45x Posted January 4, 2006 Author Share Posted January 4, 2006 I am still trying to figure out we seemed to be more passive on defense this year as opposed to last year Could it be attributed at least somewhat to the inability of the offense to protect the football, control the clock and score?... Jets offensive rankings '05 vs '04: 2005: 8th in most giveaways(35) 29th in scoring (15 ppg) 31st in total offense (248.1 ypg) 32nd in Time of Posession (26:37) 2004: 32nd in most giveaways (16) 17th in scoring (20.8 ppg) 12th in total offense (339.9 ypg) 4th in Time of Posession (31:51) Alot more pressure on Henderson and that defense this season than in '04, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 Could it be attributed at least somewhat to the inability of the offense to protect the football, control the clock and score?... Jets offensive rankings '05 vs '04: 2005: 8th in most giveaways(35) 29th in scoring (15 ppg) 31st in total offense (248.1 ypg) 32nd in Time of Posession (26:37) 2004: 32nd in most giveaways (16) 17th in scoring (20.8 ppg) 12th in total offense (339.9 ypg) 4th in Time of Posession (31:51) Alot more pressure on Henderson and that defense this season than in '04, right? can i see those same stats for the Bears offense this year??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionelRichie Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 For some reason which I am still trying to figure out we seemed to be more passive on defense this year as opposed to last year with Henderson This year was a step back in his credentials as much as this sounds like an excuse i really think henderson was trying to avoid giving up the big play on defense. if your offense can't score (and we did go 2 games w/o a TD) then you cannot afford to give up the big play and the 'bend don't break' approach makes a lot of sense. henderson definitely regressed this year, but it can't all go on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 Could it be attributed at least somewhat to the inability of the offense to protect the football, control the clock and score?... Jets offensive rankings '05 vs '04: 2005: 8th in most giveaways(35) 29th in scoring (15 ppg) 31st in total offense (248.1 ypg) 32nd in Time of Posession (26:37) 2004: 32nd in most giveaways (16) 17th in scoring (20.8 ppg) 12th in total offense (339.9 ypg) 4th in Time of Posession (31:51) Alot more pressure on Henderson and that defense this season than in '04, right? this is a very good point. the defense never really had a chance this year. the got NO help at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAGA45x Posted January 4, 2006 Author Share Posted January 4, 2006 can i see those same stats for the Bears offense this year??? Ah, I see your point. But consider this...that Bears def allowed an avg 17.5 pts vs their 4 AFC Opponents (@Pitt 21, @ Cle 20, BAL 6, and Cincy 24). That's 5 more points than their 12.6 ppg allowed on the season and 1 more pt than their offense scores per game (16.5). And that 17.5 papg allowed against AFC opponents is heavily skewed by BAL's 6 points. Otherwise the avg is 21.6...not much less than NYJ's 22 papg avg this season and 5 more points than their offense avg's per game. That said, Do you honestly think the bears would allow 12.6 ppg against the following teams on their schedule?: New England twice Miami Twice Buf Twice Kansas City San Diego Denver Oakland Jacksonville I doubt it. If anything it'd be +20. Especially with 5 of those opponents ranking in the top 15 in takeways and Kyle Orton starting 15 of 16 games. So don't try to imply that because the Bears rank well with a poor offense that theres no excuse for Henderson and that Jets def to fall off from '04. Theres alot more to the picture than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 Ah, I see your point. But consider this...that Bears def allowed an avg 17.5 pts vs their 4 AFC Opponents (@Pitt 21, @ Cle 20, BAL 6, and Cincy 24). That's 5 more points than their 12.6 ppg allowed on the season and 1 more pt than their offense scores per game (16.5). And that 17.5 papg allowed against AFC opponents is heavily skewed by BAL's 6 points. Otherwise the avg is 21.6...not much less than NYJ's 22 papg avg this season and 5 more points than their offense avg's per game. That said, Do you honestly think the bears would allow 12.6 ppg against the following teams on their schedule?: New England twice Miami Twice Buf Twice Kansas City San Diego Denver Oakland Jacksonville I doubt it. If anything it'd be +20. Especially with 5 of those opponents ranking in the top 15 in takeways and Kyle Orton starting 15 of 16 games. So don't try to imply that because the Bears rank well with a poor offense that theres no excuse for Henderson and that Jets def to fall off from '04. uh, thats my point,, he has no excuse, he could have excelled like trh ebears did,, plus i think jet d problem was herm messin with agressive schemes over the offseason,, he de-nutted donnies dTheres alot more to the picture than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 Tough to really gage any coach on this staff. With Herm's soft camps and the lack of offense it is tough to judge Henderson. I think there are better candidates out there though who are more proven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green DNA Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 I hate to bring up one of Tx's favorite taunts, but the in the KC game, Hendu was completely outclassed by Saunders. The D was bitch slapped and anally raped and Hendu was unable to come up with something to stop it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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